Forum Post: Class Warfare - Bring it on Bitches!!!
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 1, 2012, 8:19 p.m. EST by elf3
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Class warfare is about to boil over - I'm tired of watching the looks on the smug faces of these bitches riding around in their expensive cars cutting me off in my piece of shit car, I'm tired of being treated like a servant by people who make more money than I would ever require to be "comfortable", I'm tired of working as many hours as they do being away from my family for a mere slice of what they make knowing the only thing separating us is my ability to afford an education. Secretaries, waitresses, cashiers working shmoes.....it's time unite !!! I refuse to keep to my station - I demand that they pay as much in taxes as I do, I demand an opportunity to advance - I refuse to be kept down. Know your station - REBELLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's up to us...
things arent always what they seem, i doubt i will see even one rich person in heaven for instance, scriptures make that abundantly clear.
Guess how you solve that problem....it's called a JOB! Get an education! Good lord, what a bunch of whiners crying because they can't have what people who work hard for get. ME ME ME that's all I Hear from all of you. When are you going to realize that no one owes you anything!
While many points in the OP’s post are valid, they’re also fairly obvious. But there’s something about the tone that sounds and feels more like an agent provocateur troll. More likely an attempt to have sincere parties rise to the bait, or worse, to incite turmoil that will rebound to our disadvantage.
Fear won't get you anywhere my dear - it's time to stop counting your words - you can't plan for every counter- argument - this is not a chess game ... not when they have your moves ... all you can do is clear off the board and face them head on
VOTE!
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
Is everyone a "troll" who doesn't agree with you?
No, only the trolls.
I actually agree with much of the comment by the OP, and thought I made that clear. What I strongly disagree with is a tone I find redolent of violence. If you believe that there aren’t plenty of interests who would love to incite violence for reasons opposed to those who champion the welfare of the American people, you are, frankly, naive.
WELL THEN, SHUT UP and VOTE!!for people who represent your views. It is the 99% who are 100% responsible for our current laws, including tax law.
Voting is Not going to solve anything.That is a rigged game to give you false hope.Maybe at one time it worked but it is now broken beyond repair
What's your alternative??
There is no perfect party!
There is only better and worse. Cons are way worse!!
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
If voting could change anything it would be outlawed. Action, action, and then some action, is the only way to break the rule of the corporate military fascist system we CURRENTLY live under the boot of.
Why outlaw it when it's so easy and noncontroversial to just discourage people from voting??
We should outlaw NOT VOTING!!
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
No one should shut up trying to rally the sleeping people. We've been quiet too long.
And you know your numbers are BULL SHIT!!
Less than half of the 99% are even registered voters, less the half of the voters vote. At the most 25% vote for anything and 75% of them don't know what the fuck is going on because they get there news from corporate media which is owned by the 1% and Fox Lies which is a propaganda broadcaster for the Right Wing. The vast majority of voters never knowingly voted to be raped and enslaved by a greedy few in the 1%.
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
Anarchy, I like your style. It's too bad this forum is full of people who don't know what they are doing or are extremely disabled in the art of communication.
Yes, you should have the opportunity to advance, but if you do advance, and suddenly you can afford the fancy car, what will be your opinion of the guy driving the piece of shit with duck tape holding its headlights on? You might say, why hasn't this guy taken advantage of the opportunities afforded? So really, even though obviously our tax system is totally dysfunctional (sort of a distinct issue though) it's about our morality as a society (or better stated, our morality as a species). I think Nietzsche said it best, WILL TO POWER, and maybe he was sort of right. If this is true, and we really possess some sort of inner will to power, then it seems to me an adversarial system with as many competing interests as possible, would serve us best (sort of like what we used to have, before money in politics stacked the deck against us). If this is not true, then maybe a more egalitarian system would serve us best. I think the better view, absent better science on the matter, is we have the capacity for both.
Our impulse is to save the drowning man, yet we'd still like to be his boss, and really will to power works in both directions. The desire for power is no less profound among the powerless.
Class warfare has been waged by the rich on the poor for too long now...how about a push to raise minimum wages to 12/hr. a practical solution to raising the poorest working class. There has been no push for raising minimum wage in a long time.
Just wait for the right time. If the best of rebellions fail if the timing is wrong. We need a great injustice to tip things for the win. As sad as this is, it probably will be true for us OWS. Solidarity.
Yes, there are those who drive around in their gleaming Bought-My-Way speeding, cutting people off, and running them over with their Ultimate Killing machines. The really sad part is that even those who swore to uphold the Law bought into the same idea of having purchased the privileges at the foreign motors dealership.
Vote out every incumbent! If you think the game is rigged, fine, what would it hurt to cast your vote against every incumbent?
Cry some moar.
You know, it's funny, but I don't envy the rich with their diseases, and lives of plenty...plenty what? If material things are all they strive for...then good for them!
Shallow, emotionally void, pathetically indifferent to anything, lacking compassion or any other emotion that makes them human(e). Not all are like that...the majority don't have it made as much as we are force fed to believe!!
I don't waste envy on them because then I wouldn't be able to enjoy the love of the people around me, who come to my aid when I am in need or when my family has a crisis or I lose a loved one due to situations out of my control. So...let the rich enjoy their few moments here on earth....we all have just a little time here and I am happy to spend mine with loving individuals and not just things!! Things come and go, but you can never replace a loved one!!
thanks newwurld - I actually agree with you !!! So glad you voiced that - I do think we envy them but most of us here by our nature don't envy stuff or things - just time and freedom to make choices for our lives and the path we take - not living so we can feed the greed of others or watching people get ahead by doing the wrong thing or because they were born with advantages and want to keep the status quo because then they would actually be forced to compete with us - and they are cowards - it's easier to force the rest of us down than to lift themselves above the pack.
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My friends and I came from middle class families, and came to NY with NOTHING. We worked our asses off, and now we drive around expensive cars to get places, not to cut you off. We're committed, busy, stressed out humans striving every day to work, save, and do what's right. We started out as secretaries, waiters, etc. But we wanted something more. (For the record, some of my most successful friends never went to college, they are plumbers, electricians, and mechanics. They're just smart and hard working)
What you think are smug faces are just tired!!
yes kiddies wish harder - it could happen for you ! I call liar here anyone else ? People who work their way up from nothing know the true rigors and pains and they respect the working class - I personally know many small contractors are making a nice living at the unemployment office - but I guess they didn't wish enough either, they were dumb, or they didn't have the right connection to get a nice sweet impossible to get state - fed union gig ?
You mention "ability to afford an education".
The last time I checked, the library is free.
Read up, smarten up, work hard, reap the benefits.
Or another way to look at it: "Don't throw a party until after the harvest is complete".
You can't get a non-menial job anymore without a four-year degree... How is the library going to provide that?
A library doesn't "provide" you with anything other than information. Most people will know what they are looking for BEFORE going to the library to look for it!
Junior college for two years and then transfer to a state college for the next two years. Many colleges offer online courses that result in a bachelor degree.
You brought up the idea of being able to "afford an education".
There is a difference between a "education" or "being educated" and one's ability to "get a job".
Think about it like this: Employers really only want "their people" to be smart enough to "get the job done". They don't want them to be as smart as they are. Aspire to be the one who is the smartest - you can then be the one "putting people to work" (for you).
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I'm doing fine, thank you very much. I was fortunate enough to have parents with good credit that could co-sign on a private student loan that I will be paying back for another couple of decades (unless I get promoted...I'm working on that.) If I didn't have that line of credit that I needed to get the funds to go to school to get the degree that every single job description requires (try finding an IT job listing that doesn't list "4 year college degree" somewhere) then I would have had to find work in a different, less well-positioned field. Like burger flipping and asking you if you would like fries with that?
Most IT job listings say "college degree or equivalent experience". My husband works in IT and makes good money, and he does NOT have a college degree. His parents did not sign a student loan for him either.
11 years ago he "read some books" and articles detailing what the IT employers were looking for-the "certs" they wanted. He bought the books that tutored for those certs, then took the tests. Each test "cert" moved him into another job at a higher wages. Then he'd take another test.
I guess your college wanted your MONEY more than they wanted to teach you how the world works.
You're not going to get my job by just reading books. I'm not repairing PCs @ Best Buy/Geek Squad for $10/hr.
While the "read books" plan may have worked in 1998, its not going to work now. The resumes are screened before you get anywhere close to an interview, so if you don't have the words "degree" "bachelor's" or "university" on your resume somewhere, good luck getting a human to read it.
Hubby doesn't work for geek squad. Network admin and Internet Security. Certs mean you actually have to know what you are doing and experience on a resume shows you do. He's looking for a new job now and it's amazing how many calls he gets for someone without a college degree.
What do you do Betsy?
Good for him. It is very rare for someone to be in that position, but having access to Network+/MCSE certs definitely helps.
Or you could be a plumber, carpenter, electrician, construction worker, civil servant, etc..right out of high school. I just hired a new dental assistant who has nothing more than a high school diploma last month and she started at $18 an hour.
The thought that a 4-year degree is necessary to be successful is a fallacy and a reason why so many people are burdened with student loans that they will never pay back.
We feel your pain, but let's keep this peaceful and non-violent.
i'm not advocating violence - just fear .... that's why - nothing ever changes... fear caused the patriot act ... could fear reverse it ? Just asking ... shouldn't a government fear it's people not the other way around?
I don't think we should be fearful or cause fear. Maybe we feel powerless, but that is different. We're trying to speak truth to power now. If we all do this we can make a difference and regain our rightful power with regard to the government.
how will you achieve that without it? People know about it - everyone knows ... nothing much is changing just a slow continuous degradation of life and freedom. We've never been in something like this - we've lost the free press - we'll soon lose the internet - we've already lost our government... and the voting system is questionable. Are you willing to let freedom go so easily? Do you want it printed in the history books that you voiced your concern while scarcely sacrificing a thing OR that you fought a rebellion to save it?
Keep speaking truth to power. Remain non-violent. That is how to achieve the most in the best manner.
Fuck I not only agree with you sir...But I have a pitchfork and torch at the ready with an extra set to spare just for you...It's all made in China..
WTF..Let's roll...TPTB made me a hypocrite...
For those of you who posted on this and don't agree with me consider yourself called out - u were obviously looking for a fight - just not the point of view you were hoping for - and to that I say FU - sirs
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You just keep feeding you ego there sweet cheeks.
Only fighting ego with ego - small balls... us little ladies rarely do so get a chance to vent our silly frustrations
Your toll is noted.
OK! Better 30+ years late than never. Big Biz and Cons have been conducting organized [crony] capitalism and class warfare against us and, despite our massive casualties, few of us have identified the enemy. In fact some of us think we are the enemy. Look up! That's not trickle down!
Unite and Win! Unite and Win! 2010 Never EVER Again!!
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We're in a new time my friends however the older generation did it - they want to pretend it has not changed - maybe it's GENERATIONAL WARFARE- because we're in a new America and it's not Kansas anymore and that good old pull up the boot-straps ain't working anymore. My parents generation could work in a factory have a good job save for a down payment on a house while living in a cheap apartment. And if they didn't like that job they could go on over to the other factory that's hiring with better health bennies. Now those cheap apartments don't exist because wallstreet has invaded the housing market. Now wall street is shipping all the jobs including those of secretaries overseas to China and India which is why my pay has actually gone down in the last 15 years (as I worked my way up in position through 17 years of work in the field) I can't keep up with the cost of living and I'm also being taxed into the poverty bracket for my state. Education used to be cheap you used to be able to work and pay for school - ha what a joke - the system is rigged for loans and banks. I don't qualify for financial aid to get a degree but the banks won't give me a loan because I don't make enough. My parents aren't wealthy people - I've paid my own way. I demand upward mobility - I demand the same opportunities that the generations before us had. And for those who call this whining - it cheapens democracy and the larger issues at hand which you all seem to choose to ignore. We have lost our freedom things have changed - and we're putting it right. If you don't like our whining go live in China where they line you up and shoot you or send you to jail if you speak out of turn. Don't let the bitches get you down it's clear how they view us - it's clear their ego's are larger than the economy - FIGHT ON OCCUPY !!!! KEEP ON WHINING LOUDER AND LOUDER UNTIL THEY CAN"T DROWN OUT THE NOISE!!!!
I don't believe we are whinning either, contrary to popular posts on this forum...but I totally disagree that it is the "older" generations fault for the conditions of today. This country has always had a Mental cesspool element in it!. If it weren't for the "older generation" most of us would be walking around with the same mental shackles the disagreeables seem to possess, on our necks and our backs and feet! If it weren't for the "older generation" a lot of us wouldn't be able to walk down the street, or gone to school, or vote (women included) or even have found jobs, or homes, or take vacations with our families, or raise upright citizens who still believe in this country, its citizens and one another! Most youngsters forget that the "older generation" got their asses here!! Furthermore, I am grateful for the "older generation" because from them we have learned how to stand up for ourselves when that "cesspool" interferes with our liberties and in our lives!!!
Some "younger ingrates" just don't get it!!! The answers to the problems of this country have always been around, but few have taken up the challenge to solve those problems and some have died doing so!!
I meant the baby boomers not the finest generation
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Even GOOD education can't fix stupid!!!
Or you could get some education. Check out government subsidized training some states offer. Get a student loan. Go the the library and take a certification test. Then, apply for any related job you can get. Intern if you have to. Make it happen.
Also, you mention secretaries. A lot of secretaries make pretty decent money, and most work 40 hours. (I know. I was one for a long time.) Meanwhile, "the boss" works weekends, nights, and travels for business, spending time away from his/her family. Without these people, there would be no opportunities below. Someone has to create them. It could be you if it's something you want.
It's not simply "class warfare".
It's warfare, in general.
It's a "Cats Eating the Rats" world, and there is a diminishing supply of rats.
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Lets . . .
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Gimme the PLIERS!!
I am all in favor of advancement. If the rich pay in the same tax bracket as the lower income earners pay, they would still pay much more in taxes (income)
Just curious, what did you go to school for?
Rebellion - HA!!! -what do you know ?- I learned about it at the library !!!!
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This OWS thing is all over the map is there some sort of goal to this madness?
yes rebellion - only a matter of time
I think I get it now! You hate the rich only because you aren't one of them!
I hate the rich because they are so damn smug and useless - they don't stimulate the economy like the working class all they do is live off of us like parasites
Removing all money except for from the individual from the political processes; both electoral and legislative.
what is it that you do?
I would imagine they pay far more in taxes than you do.
well I know Mitt Romney pays 15 % and I pay around 27% - I actually want a flat tax no deductions cause let's face it it's not what you pay in taxes but how many deductions you get that create the final tally
Don't get me wrong-- totally in favor or tedscrat's suggestion below. But Romney's 15% tax rate is misrepresented. Capital gains is essentially a business's profits. Before Romney gets that profit, it is already taxed at a 35% corporate tax rate. There are also FUTA/SUTA rates to consider as well. So, to say his income is taxed at 15% is really untrue.
27%?
Is that just federal or a combination of federal and state?
My AGI is just over $200k and my federal tax rate was below 20%.
All in favor of a flat tax. 10-15% across the board with a 1-page tax code
We have massive write-offs and I would give them up gladly for a flat tax of 10-15% if there were no write-offs at all for personal and business taxes.
Well, Mitt pays millions and you pay thousands, if that. If what you say about your employment is accurate, you may even get money back in earned income credits. Remember the money that Mitt pays taxes on was earned on money he already paid taxes on. Perhaps it would be better to promote the idea that your taxes should be reduced to what Mitt pays rather than promoting the idea that government should be given the right to take more of another persons property.
Income is income. Contrary to people's beliefs, poor ole Mit is not getting double taxed for bankrupting and/or destroying companies and costing those employed at those companies their jobs.
As far as taxes go, well you are simply uninformed, stupid or buy into the bullshit. If you want free education you have to pay for it. Nothing is free, everything has a cost and it is simply a matter of who pays the costs.
Why not fight for the taxes to be lowered for the 99% rather than the increase of taxes on the 1%?
Everything has a price tag. It is just a matter of who pays for it. We have no children, but are willing to pay more property taxes to educate our youth. Mass transit should be free to use and also be fully funded by property taxes. City, County and State roads and bridges should be funded by property taxes.
We all use these things as property owners and business owners for people to get to and from our businesses and homes. If I have a rental, the tenant is using the roads to get to and from stores, work, etc....
Sometimes they will use mass transit, sometimes use the roads. Whichever they use, these are vital to our economy and so should be funded by property taxes.
Other things should be funded by income tax like education and unfortunately, our federal government.
So you want to punish the people who can least afford the tax burden.
Property owners are the people that can least afford to pay the cost? That doesn't make any sense at all. Without roads, I can't rent my house. Without roads people can't get to work, the store, etc.... We can do all these things but roads make it easier and mass transit is the same dog.
Roads are paid for locally and through gasoline taxes.
I still don't understand why you are more in favor of raising taxes on a few people instead of lowering taxes on the majority of people. Why don't you care about the hard working people instead of wanting to take more property from selective people.
Loving many is far nobler than hatred of a few.
Why do you attribute to me things I never said and emotions I don't feel?
I know how roads are currently paid for, but you missed car tabs and registrations paying for roads as well.
Roads benefit everybody, some more than others.
Some renters don't have cars and either walk to work, to the store and places they need to go or rely on mass transit or public transit to get to where they need to go. So they don't pay gasoline taxes, car tabs or registrations for a car. Usually the property owners have more income than the renters do and the additional taxes are marginal. This stabilizes where the money for these city, county or even state projects comes from so the municipalities have a stable source of income to pay for these things.
Also, like any business, the property owner will pass the cost, if possible, on to the client/renter. So the cost will be spread out across the communities. We own a couple of homes so I would be paying my share of extra taxes too.
The county I live is is pretty good sized and if the county had 795,225 residents, about 309,426 actual homes including multi-family homes. There are 16,768 businesses in the same county or a minimum of 326,194 properties.
Say the County needs to raise $300,000,000.00 a years to run the mass transit, police/sheriff, fire, schools and so on. That is $919.70 a year, currently we pay about $4,800.00 for property taxes [both houses]. Say the county needed $100,000,000 to pay just for mass transit and the roads. We would pay an additional $300.00 a year per property.
That won't break us and if we decided to use mass transit it would save us money in the end. Currently it is $4.00 per day if we used MT to go to and from work. $20.00 per week. $1,040.00 per year. $100 million a year buys and pays for a lot of transportation.
You make no sense. In one post, you make a statement and end it with a question mark... "Property owners are the people that can least afford to pay the cost?".
You tell me, "Without roads, I can't rent my house." and in the next post you tell me, "We own a couple of homes so I would be paying my share of extra taxes too."
You say you know how roads are paid for, but you make a case where you think that education, mass transit and roads should be paid for by property taxes..."Everything has a price tag. It is just a matter of who pays for it. We have no children, but are willing to pay more property taxes to educate our youth. Mass transit should be free to use and also be fully funded by property taxes. City, County and State roads and bridges should be funded by property taxes."
Okay, I make the same argument, why not fight for less oppressive taxes for all people instead of fighting to raise taxes on a few people?
Because everything cost and it is a matter of who pays the costs.
Education is free only when somebody pays for it. Roads are free only when somebody pays for them. Healthcare is free only when somebody pays for it.
Is this a cost, education, healthcare, school lunches, books for classes, pencils, etc..., that you think children should pay for? If their parents cannot pay for these things then they do without.
As for roads and public transit specifically. It is the property owners that greatly benefit from Citizens being able to use them. The Citizens does rely on these things to get to and from their "residence" to the "store/businesses" where they buy goods and services that directly support these "stores and businesses".
Rather than letting the infrastructure of the Country deteriorate to shit, I would rather salvage it, make it better than it is and create jobs in the process.
The electrical grid needs our attention as well.
Sorry, this just makes sense to me.
unimportant says, and I quote, "Education is free only when somebody pays for it. Roads are free only when somebody pays for them. Healthcare is free only when somebody pays for it."...
Therein lies the difference between liberals and conservatives...
Liberals want everything that they want to be paid for with someone else's money. Conservatives believe that money is much more wisely and judiciously spent by those who earn it.
Keep your "free" crap, let me keep my money!
The difference that I found between most liberals and "most, not all" conservatives is that Liberals understand that their beliefs belong to them and they can't force them upon others and most, not all, conservatives believe that everybody should do as they say.
Me, not being like "most" conservatives believe that people should be responsible for themselves and their actions.
You use roads, help pay for them. You used the school system, help pay for it. Anything else you need explained to you?
Liberals want to use the force of government to take the property of others.
Actually, the 16th Amendment was passed under the gold standard. This means that government had to have a tax to earn revenue...mother earth issued the money.
This is a fiat standard...so the income tax should have been repealed...man printed the money...
RP 2012
Sounds like Obama has done a great job of ginning you up into a rage over a manufactured issue.
yeah? I guess you haven't seen the news spots or the posts around here indicating the differences in income over the last ten and twenty years.
But I'm sure you have heard of wall street and bankers bonuses - despite the havoc they have wrought on our economy
I'm with elf3
Obama done got your panties in a bunch also I see.
I hope Wall st. continues spiffing as many people as much money as possible and I hope rich people get just as fucking rich as can be.
If the poor get poorer then so be it,and if income disparities become even greater and greater than now,so be it.
You need to start looking after your own mental health and stop bleeding your heart out for things that don't concern you.
Did you ever find your head?
It's still missing.
More pseudo-intelligent commentary from the shloozer.
Just giving tit for tat, oh great and holy headless one.
So did you find it yet, or did mom hide it on you?
Do you not wear diapers to help contain your oral fecal diarrheal discharge?
You need one where your head used to be.
Or perhaps a nice bung.
XL, to hold all the useless spewings.
I know what you are but what am I.
Not sure. I just know you have no head. ergo, no brain.
You actually replied to that? You need to get a life.
Stick a bung in it.
That hole where your head used to be.
That would make that hole a bung hole!!!!
You wouldn't know what a bung is, without google.
Rookie!
Sorry,but I'm not feeling like you're actually ripping me but really feeling more sorry for you. I appreciate your tenacity and stick-to-it-ness but let's just call it a day and you can try on another post,okay?
it does concern me - it concerns every single citizen in America.
We only have so much labor available in the country, and even fewer jobs. That ultimately is what money is - a medium of trade, for our labor.
People save and save - and then take out loans, to purchase property.
Property values have tanked - thus the people have been robbed of their labor.
You are a fool. Every property owner in America has been hurt by our deregulation of the financial industry.
The acquisition and maintenance of wealth depends on social stability - and if you don't think our society is reaching a point of instability then obviously, you need to pull your head out of your ass and look around.
Or not.
I really don't give a shit either way.
" Every property owner in America has been hurt by our deregulation of the financial industry."
You mean "deregulation" like this?:
With his fellow Democrat, former Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, Rep. Frank, D-Mass., shoulders much of the blame for today's economic catastrophe and the fiscal crises plaguing governments at all levels. They spent years pushing policies that ultimately required lenders, under the threat of government retribution and political demagoguery, to write mortgages, for borrowers with little or no down payment and no hope of repaying.
To backstop trillions in reckless borrowing, Rep. Frank and then-Sen. Dodd helped establish Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as the No. 1 buyer of worthless mortgages and then blocked any number of attempts to reform those government-sponsored enterprises to keep them from failing.
All the while, they combined to rake many tens of thousands in campaign contributions from Fannie and Freddie, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
After the housing bubble exploded, Fannie and Freddie careened inexorably toward insolvency, but Rep. Frank and then-Sen. Dodd denied anything was wrong. "I think this is a case where Fannie and Freddie are fundamentally sound, that they are not in danger of going under," Rep. Frank famously said in July 2008; within months, Fannie and Freddie were in government receivership, where they remain today, buying more bad loans and hemorrhaging huge sums, including a combined $14 billion in the last quarter alone
idiot.... the only thing that will save your worthless debt ridden precious money... is THIS movement
It is you that be the "idiot". If you don't understand and realize why,what and who contributed to the current economic hell we as American citizens are currently dealing with.
If you have closed your mind then that means you are only a propagandized Leftist Drone.
Live in Darkness if you must.
ok... tell me.... why,what and who contributed to the current economic hell ?
and don't blame it all on Dodd & Frank again.... there is a lot, lot more involved
Of course there is "lot more involved". These replies were centered on a specific part of the economic probs. I'm not in the mood right now to rehash everything. You are jumping in midstream so chill out.
Bravo. Facts.
bankers often tell the lie that financial regulation is responsible for their choice to indulge in fraud as they procured lending agreements without proof of ability to pay the mortgage once the rate reset,
then bundle these bad debts for sale on the open market -
the whole thing was a fraud.
The head of Countrywide has been ordered to pay something like 28 million dollars. See 60 Minutes - they have several great spots on it. They don't address fannie and freddy that I recall - but they do put to rest the whole idea that regulation was responsible for their
ZD,you are completely such a propagandized Drone.
Truly,you are beyond saving.
don't whine to me - go watch 60 Minutes. I don't care if you like it or not. I'm not the one who committed fraud with lending practices or bundles of bad debt sold as triple A.
I take it you don't even know about Dodd-Frank or didn't even actually read my prior post. That wouldn't surprise me you have no comprehension only spew. You don't consume or consider info,you only disseminate bullshit.
I don't like economics.
Barney Frank does - I presume he should have known better than to say dumb shit - and perhaps that explains why he isn't running again.
Doesn't excuse the banks for blaming regulations that encourage lending to under served communities.
Chris Dodd and Barney's Frank did a whole hell of a lot more than "say dumb shit" but thanks for throwing at least a few bones of admission.
But it appears you've already excused Dodd and Frank. Now you only wish to blame banks for something they were compelled to do by yet more Govt. regulation.
Obama has resurrected the Demon of Class Warfare and has done a bang up job on creating societal discontent,all the while stirring the pot. Fanning the flames of hatred and envy and thus helping to propagate the environment for an OWS Class Warfare pseudo-movement and sucking in the intellectually weak and impressionable.
That is bullshit spin, put out on behalf of the banks. Go watch 60 Minutes. No bank was compelled to commit fraud. That was a choice, one they made on their own. One it can be argued they made out of resentment for those regs, and out of pure unadulterated greed, knowing full well the potential consequences.
More horseshit. You can deny the public discontent all you like, but the fact is it's here, it has its roots in conservative fiscal policy, and that policy is class warfare.
We will set things straight - regardless. If we do not, conservative fiscal policy will bankrupt this nation. The debate last summer on the budget proves it. It is a deliberate effort on their part - precisely because they do not like regulation, they think they are above the law.
They think they can purchase the elections.
They are in for an education - at the hands of the American public. The only question is -
"You can deny the public discontent all you like, but the fact is it's here, it has its roots in conservative fiscal policy, and that policy is class warfare."
Actually I do not "deny public discontent" I know fully well that it is manifesting itself in many ways.
Obama has been stoking this flaming narrative of Class Warfare for the last three years,this is a fact not subject to your spin.
To attribute public discontent to "conservative fiscal policy" would mean you have completely dismissed the fact that Dems took hold of the House and Senate in 2006 and I know you aren't that ignorant.
"Fanning the flames of hatred and envy and thus helping to propagate the environment for an OWS Class Warfare pseudo-movement and sucking in the intellectually weak and impressionable."
You didn't respond to this I assume because actually you wouldn't have a legit comeback.
I notice you don't have a single quote from the President proving your point - I'm sure that if you come up with one it will be one taken all out of context . . . .
The times are too serious, the stakes are too high . . . let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, . . . The men and women who serve in our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and independents, but they have fought together and bled together and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a Red America or a Blue America -- they have served the United States of America.
And I've a copy of the recent State of the Union somewhere around here too. I can cite from that if you like.
It is a simple fact - repelican refusal to cut 4 trillion dollars from the debt is class warfare.
repelican economic policy - from privatization of social security to deregulation is class warfare.
the movie Inside Job makes it very clear, the conservatives set about installing conservative activist judges years ago, now we have Citizens United, which will get tossed one way or the other. count on it
and I'd like ta shoot every single last one of the bastards
I aint' gettin on board with you, or anyone who looks like you.
listen to the spin meister . . .
Now this is Boner
And I'm pretty sure I heard him use the term from the house floor during the budget debate.
The blogosphere picked it up and spun it right back - you can google no end of references to it. It isn't Obama ginning it up - it began with boner - and it was a miscalculation.
repelican policy rhetoric is coming home mutherfucker and I can't wait you fuckin liars got it coming.
piss off
So? Boehner just acknowledges the obvious. It's about time you got on board and stopped the denying.
You are slow. You're not getting what is going on here. It's cause and effect.
Obama makes many speeches USING THE LANGUAGE OF CLASS WARFARE,we know this is part of his belief system already.
Boehner or the blogosphere can repeat it all they want. They are just putting an apt descriptor to Obama's rhetoric.
BUT OBAMA STARTED IT!!!
The problem is you don't acknowledge it by choice or by lack of comprehension.
Now if you have anymore problems with comprehending this,I'd advise you to stick with video games like Pong.
bullshit - he has consistently demanded bipartisanship - boner and his teabaggers refused during the budget debate
I was happy when he said:
The times are too serious, the stakes are too high . . . let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, . . . The men and women who serve in our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and independents, but they have fought together and bled together and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a Red America or a Blue America -- they have served the United States of America.
And then after watching the budget debate I have to say the time for bipartisanship has long passed. His State of the Union was a beginning, rather mild for my taste, but a beginning.
You are a liar and a fraud. You should stop drinking the Koolaide.
WTF are you talking about "bipartisanship" for,that is completely unrelated to the discussion.
Now pay attention.
Obama has been ginning up the narrative of Class Warfare.
It is in his speeches,that's undeniable. You need to start thinking and listening instead of overreacting.
ZD you are losing whatever cred you had.
headless, you are far out-numbered here.... while you have been letting fox news think for you... we have been studying and reading everything.... it would do you well to listen
Really?
Listen to Leftist,Progressive propaganda and bullshit?
No thanks,I know exactly know where you and your ideological comrades come from.
"we have been studying and reading everything."
Now that's a fucking joke. "We" have read nothing but Leftist propaganda and swilled Progressive Koolaid. Your self-righteous attitude is undeserved and you would do well to stop peddling your superior bullshit and open your mind to life beyond the Leftist propaganda.
libs/dems prefer their own "facts",.................lies , which they repeat in order to make them "truths". it's the goebbels method.
Pay as much in taxes as you do? Only a flat tax can accomplish that.
Only a progressive tax would.
A flat tax is more punishment for the middle class due to all the other taxes we pay---------cutting loopholes and subsidies would be a start. Letting the rich pay SSI on all their income would be a start. Having a single payer healthcare system would help so that we could pay 3% like Canada does instead of the 25 or 30% that most middle class Americans pay now. Americans are brainwashed enough to think 25% of their income for health insurance that they will probably loose if they get sick is OK
Okay. Raise taxes on everyone.