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Forum Post: CIA agents found guilty in Italy?

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 21, 2012, 4:10 p.m. EST by JustinDM (251) from Atascadero, CA
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Has anyone heard about this? It happened just a few days ago.

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[-] 5 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Just the first in what will become a long string of convictions that are the beginning of the end for the CIA and other rouge security elements. The US is now seen as a potential threat to the globe both militarily and economically. The US military and the US financial markets have single-handedly disrupted life for every human on the planet. Turns out you don't have to be a dictatorship for the world to recognize you as a global threat.

Fortunately for us, the international community is stepping up to the plate. If it were left to us Americans, we would bury our heads in the sand just like the Germans did until our country was laid to waste by bombs from around the globe. Thank you Italy for having some fucking balls.

[-] 5 points by Nevada1 (4840) 2 years ago

Good Post. And the military contractor thing must end.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

It was always a head-scratcher for mine. Until I realised that private contractors (mercenaries) don't have to abide by any conventions or rules of engagement.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

But if caught/captured they wish that they had followed the legal international conventions outlining proper conduct. Because they don't follow the conventions does not mean that they can't be tried as war criminals - the same goes for terrorists.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

That's only fair.

They get paid shitloads of money. There's Aussies working for blackwater.

I hear that XVP Chain-ee set up the company. Could be wrong.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No I think you are correct - I also have heard that he was involved. Started out as a subsidiary of Halliburton or something like that and has since gone through several reformations to muddy the trail of origin and involvements.

Mercenaries - huh - always in it for the money - and no love for any sort of code of honor. I do not see much of a difference between them and terrorists.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

There's a long tradition with paid fighters, or mercs, in history. Way back to Roman times.

An army can be motivated by patriotism only to a certain point of dedication. Beyond that, money becomes the deciding factor. Our SAS saw a big reduction in numbers leaving to join black water.

These days, the oligarchs are aware that the only way to drum up the footsoldiers is to make civilian life impossibly difficult financially, thereby inducing civvies to sign up for active roles.

The drone takeover is going to change all that, of course. Soon the drones will be programed by programs. That is when the SHTF in a huge way.

Start tunnelling.

[-] 5 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

My days left in the sun are not many - I am here for those who will live after me. I will risk saying this - because I do not care what others may think or say.

I believe the Bible - I believe in God and His Son - I believe that the governments of men will be ended after proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that they can not function fairly for their populations that they can not function without corruption. That war will not be ended by man nor disease nor starvation nor cruelty etc etc etc.

But I also believe it is necessary for me to be the best man that I can be while I still breathe and to help others to do the same - and you know what(?) - doing good for others or trying to do good for others - makes me feel really good. And this is not all because of how I was raised - but also because of personal experiences that I have had and continue to have.

Sorry - I had a moment - and needed to express it to any who might listen and understand.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

A noble sentiment.

I've welcomed death myself, on the operating table. Lost the fear of it then.

It's time we all made a stand for what we believe in. For me, it's freedom to do what I want to do.

True wealth is being able to do what you want, when you want.

I have no envy for those who must lick the boots of others to maintain some semblance of a wealthy existence.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Everyone should have the freedom to do as they please - as long as it does not infringe on others safety or well being. I do not welcome death ( only the death of this existence - I will be happy to leave behind my illness's and imperfections - as I look forward to a life after this one ). I do not fear death in this life - I fear only the chance that I might not be reborn to live a true life with everyone in a world that was always meant to be.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Yes, thanks for the proviso.

Re: "as long as it doesn't infringe on other's safety or well-being".

We are all born bare-arsed and broke, (not sure who said that) and that's how we'll step off this planet.

Not sure if this is all we've got, meaning one life, or there's more in store, but I've no fear of finding out, and I've no lust for living to a decrepit state.

That's just my take on the issue. We should all be free to make up our own minds what we believe in.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Absolutely - "We should all be free to make up our own minds what we believe in".

With the same proviso {:-]) "as long as it doesn't infringe on other's safety or well-being".

I like that saying also and I have heard it stated various ways and I do not know the authors of any = We came into this world with nothing and that is how we will leave it.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

From one side of the planet, to the other; agreement.

Not too hard to do, is it?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Depends on who you are having a talk with - Hey? People are pretty much the same where ever one may go - differences being superficial as to culture and what not. It is finding those willing to disregard the superficial differences that can at times be more then a little difficult.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

humans can choose not to war

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Don't forget little old Malaysia, for convicting your war criminals.

http://www.disinfo.com/2012/05/malaysian-war-crimes-tribunal-finds-bush-and-cheney-guilty/

Victims of torture told a panel of five judges in Kuala Lumpur of their suffering at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. Among the evidence, Briton Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee, said he was beaten, put in a hood and left in solitary confinement. Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi said she was stripped and humiliated in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.

Transcripts of the five-day trial will be sent to the chief prosecutor at the International Criminal Court, the United Nations and the Security Council.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4840) 2 years ago

Good Post

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Hell yeah. Thx for the link.

[-] 3 points by JustinDM (251) from Atascadero, CA 2 years ago

Right on Richard

[-] -1 points by Orwellwuzright (-84) from Lockeford, CA 2 years ago

LOL!

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

link?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4840) 2 years ago

Thank you Justin, for starting a good thread.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3998) 2 years ago

Thanks Nevada1!

Our CIA was involved in an act of global mayhem?? Say it isn't so! They don't really do that, do they?!?! :/

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4840) 2 years ago

Hi Renneye,

Yes. Unfortunately, the US is a 'Terrorist State'. Richard and Builder made some good points in above posts.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3998) 2 years ago

Sorry about that Nevada1...I guess I'm just terrible at conveying sarcasm through a keyboard. The absence of voice makes it difficult. ;-)

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4840) 2 years ago

No need to be sorry, as your post was fine. You always do good work here.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3998) 2 years ago

Thanks ^.~

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I often go though posts and reverse the negative

"Say it is so! They really do that, "

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3998) 2 years ago

LOL! Thanks! Incidentally Matt, I'm really enjoying your artistic side here. Don't be in any hurry to stop! : )

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6496) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

here's a link to the story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/italy-cia-rendition_n_1898251.html?

I think there are a number of countries Cheney can't travel to.