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Forum Post: Check Up

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 13, 2011, 10:38 a.m. EST by Libertarianliving (149)
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Hello, I am just making a visit to ask what you "occupiers" who without my desire, claim to "represent" me as part of the lower 99% of income earners, have accomplished thus far. I am not being a wise ass right now either. I am giving all of you the opportunity to explain to me how you have made things "better" for me in my life and yours.

Please tell me something. I am not being sarcastic. I would really like to hear things with an open mind.



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[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 10 years ago

well, lets see . . .

to start with I would note that Boner has begun to sweat . . .

you can plainly see that in his camera appearances from Capital hill -

we've also forced a change in his rhetoric - now he is talking about creating jobs, rather than pushing home the erroneous point that the economy is the President's fault.

Lets look at some numbers, shall we? I just like to review . . .


  • BUSHITE Tax Cuts:

  • 1.812 Trillion Dollars

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

Can you please stop posting that garbage. You're embarrasing us.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 10 years ago

i'm not embarrassed. I thought the Atlantic was a credible source. You aren't happy with information?


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

Ive already gone over the whole thing with nucleus, its garbage, on both sides, and makes us look like amateurs.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 10 years ago

you maybe

[-] -1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 10 years ago

Spoken like a true DNC operative.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 10 years ago

well thanks -

you think I can get paid?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 10 years ago

The beginnings of legislation to ban constitutional rights for corporations.

[-] 2 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

Well, you are a couple months behind in the news, I suggest you start reading some forums and turn off Fox News aka Faux News.

[-] 0 points by Libertarianliving (149) 10 years ago

I don't watch FOX NEWS. How presumptious of you. Then again, considering the number of brainwashed socialist drones in your "movement", I am not surprised. I imagine if I didn't vote for Obama, I am a racist too?

[-] 2 points by BlueRose (1437) 10 years ago

Then who told you I was a "socialist drone", if not Fox News? Please do divulge your source.

[-] -1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 10 years ago

I don't NEED a "source" to think for myself. That is YOUR department, whether it be Liberal Socialist or Christian Conservative ideologies and rhetoric. Can you grasp the concept of an INDIVIDUAL feeling and thinking for him/herself without needing the security of others thinking the same way? I take it you are a programmed Liberal by your obligatory "Faux News" response. If you were programmed a Christian Conservative, you would have made a blast at MSNBC or Rachael Madow!

Here is a novel idea. Try coming up with a thought ON YOUR OWN without needing support from some group!

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 10 years ago

I think bluerose was saying if you havent been to OWS, how have you formed your opinions?

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 10 years ago

There are other sources than this forum.

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 10 years ago

It's not that simple and if anything the major stuff is only really beginning to happen. We've managed to accomplish the first set of goals that we have, namely to return the language of income inequality to the national debate so that people in your position are not looked down upon as stupid or lazy just because your income isn't necessarily where it should be. We've created a fair amount of buzz thus far and been able to create a few talking points of our own to counter the language of "Fuck you; I've got mine" that has pervaded our culture over the past two or three decades, and managed to create a general sentiment that what goes on on Wall Street needs real, serious oversight.

Both OWS and spinoff movements such as The 99% Declaration are already beginning the process of turning that awareness into action by building a strong political base among people of all different stripes and then attempting to pressure Congress into action. Results in this field aren't necessarily quick or immediate, but they should come within the next few election cycles.

[-] 1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 10 years ago

"""""so that people in your position are not looked down upon as stupid or lazy just because your income isn't necessarily where it should be""""""

I am extremely satisfied with my income. It isn't what a bank CEO earns, but then I was never motivated enough to become one. Liked partying too much in college. My choice. I get paid for what I do, and by how much the skills possess are in demand.

[-] 1 points by divineright (664) 10 years ago

I think we're still in the process of stepping out of the shadow of denial and OWS has helped the country in that respect. It's time to put down the remote, wipe the potato chip grease off our fingers and pay attention to what our government is (and is not) doing.

[-] 1 points by Marquee (192) 10 years ago

Good question! : ) We've changed the mood of the nation as well as the national conversation. Judges aren't allowing settlements between banks and the SEC. Attorneys General across the country are now refusing to bow to the pressure put on them by the Obama administration.Instead, they are now investigating robo-signing and fraudulent actions performed by the banks. The Sherrifs are now refusing to let the federal government use them like an extension thereof, but instead serving the people of their jurisdiction as the elected individuals that they are. In the short amount of time that OWS and 99% movements have existed our accompishments are surprisingly substantial.

[-] 1 points by Censored (138) 10 years ago

But those people remain in default. You side with a defaulted borrower paying NOTHING on their mortgage or real estate taxes over a mortgage company snagged in a technicality. You favor a squatter nation. So, failure to pay just means you are excused from your debts and keep the shit you bought? That's the world you want?

Foreclosure is a surprise to NO ONE that borrowed money that stopped paying back the loan.

[-] 1 points by Marquee (192) 10 years ago

You are uninformed. Fraudulent foreclosure versus dubious loaning and business ethics are not the same thing. No one has condoned the dubious business practices, but the fraud has been condemned and is currently being investigated by Attorneys General from at least 5 states. Deployed military men and women were guaranteed that this wouldn't happen to them, yet it did, illegally. One major condition held against the banks in order for the U.S to bail them out was to make home loans more affordable thru loan modification. People in the process of modification were foreclosed on from one hand while the other hand was still corresponding with the homeowner concerning the current modification. That's blatant fraud. As far as you deciding who I side with and where I stand, making assumptions only limits you.

[-] 1 points by Censored (138) 10 years ago

Yes, I understand that there's a mix of problems, but most of this issue is simply squatters in default upset that banks took a short cut to foreclosures and ended their free rent sooner than they'd hoped.

[-] 1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 10 years ago

That's right. It is quite comical actually how people borrow money from someone else under certain conditions. Then when they can't pay it back, they cry that it isn't fair and that the governanny should save them. Why didn't they think about the terms and conditions BEFORE buying their dream house on a janitor's salary?

[-] 1 points by Censored (138) 10 years ago

Exactly. Virtually NO ONE being foreclosed for non-payment is surprised. Banks short-cut some processes because they were buried in the sheer volume of it all. Sure, they should do things correctly. But the bank's bad is violating a technicality, the borrower's bad is DEFAULT. Yet the leftists defend the borrower and his right of squattership.

[-] 2 points by Libertarianliving (149) 10 years ago

That is how Liberals have brainwashed the sheeple to think and feel in this country.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23644) 10 years ago

Well put. Also Representative Ted Deutch is proposing the "Occupied Amendment" to begin to get corporate money out of politics. The movement is only 3 months old yet the dialogue of this nation has completely shifted to shine a bright light on income disparity.

[-] 1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 10 years ago

Once the people begin crying to the government to get involved with wages, it is the beginning of the end of a free country.