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Forum Post: Change all systems that use the practices of RENT and DEBT

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 5:16 p.m. EST by Reaillusion (43)
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[-] 1 points by Reaillusion (43) 12 years ago

atki4564 I see the intention behind your system proposal and of course your intentions are good. I like how your system gives some power to shape a town back to the people. It is a way of taking power back from banks and government without asking. However this system is still what can be defined as a competition based system, whereas I am trying to help people to conceptualize a cooperation based system. The system you propose is still a form of Capitalism and requires Consumers to continue to do as they have in their hustle and bustle to compete as quickly as possible to claim and sell the worlds natural resources. The system that I propose is a cooperation based system where the people are not Consumers but Conservers. The daily practice here is different and does not require a race to produce or suffer the consequences.

Instead it is a means to which people can develop and have a natural relationship with the world. Presently Capitalism has Consumers racing to Compete with each other each day to continue to use up, make and sell as much as possible every single day without pause or respect for the environments producing those natural resources. If that rampant pace were to slow the profits of businesses would fail and thus people would begin to subsequently lose their jobs and then their homes under the rules of present systems.

In the system that I propose which I call Equalibrium, Conservers are Cooperating to maintain a balance with the ecosystem more than they are in need of focusing on the economy.

The economy is self-sustaining once you have a natural relationship with the ecosystem. Presently there is an unseen void within the wealth of the 'wealthy' that makes them in reality not wealthy at all.

It is in your perception of what wealth is and where it comes from. I would consider myself wealthy if I were left alone in my home without a care other than the raising of my crops and being with my family. I would consider myself to be not wealthy if I lived in a huge mansion and made a lot of money but had all of my time owned by the stress of worrying about my job and wondering what my money is doing and if I will be able to afford to continue like that every day.

Then try to see the wealth of a community. A community is not wealthy if its individual parts are left in a state of need after the collective efforts of that day. A community is wealthy if there is not a single member of that community who is being denied basic rights as it is recognized that there is enough to go around without taking from anyone else when proper daily practices are followed.

The relationship we are forced to have with money is unnatural and the essence of it itself is not necessary. It is an energy exchange based upon rules that come from ideas of our relationship to each other and the resources available in the world and what should be done with them and how. Money owns us in that system. In a different system our relationship to each other and the environment can be natural and since there is no RENT or DEBT in the system that I propose there is a different definition of money. Money here is like an allowance spent on things you want but rarely on things you need. The things you need are mostly free and are provided to you in thanks for your existence and in appreciation for your role as stewards of the land. Your food is offered to you daily from the land. Your shelter can be erected in a day. If you are doing something other than enjoying what is being given to you every day than you have confused a very simple thing. And it has been confused in the name of greed and laziness. Greed and laziness are where money, rent and debt came from in the first place.

With the individual unit of practice focused on a natural relationship we will all experience true wealth as we become a people who stand on a solid foundation.

[-] 1 points by Reaillusion (43) 12 years ago

As far as banks go, a bank is not required for someone to give credit to another for a thing that they enjoy. Nor is a bank required for one to have a natural relationship with the land. In fact the only thing that is required is for people to learn how to leave other people alone. To set up a system where no one is coming after any one else for any reason ever. The only way you are going to do that is by recognizing the rules you have made up and to change them. To allow individual units of people to practice natural relationships with their resources and the land. Once each unit is operating in solidarity with their environment there is no longer any debt as everyone is fed, clothed and housed. At that point it is a matter of learning how to use your new wealth of TIME.

To answer What, how and why: What is a new system that eliminates the practices of RENT and DEBT. How is a matter of changing the rules that have been made up by integrating new rights to each individual that cannot be denied under any circumstance, such as the right to food, shelter and health care. If a society cannot provide those things to each individual despite what the individual does or does not do than the system itself needs to be changed to include those things as the basic rights of every individual. And 'Why' you may want to do this is incalculable. From stopping worldwide progressive calamity to alleviating the stress of a single interaction with your loved ones over something you cannot immediately change but would if you could like needing more money. Imagine if the foundation for that entire unnatural interaction were to just disappear. So to would go the argument. Can you imagine the day we wake up in the morning and on that day we find that the rules have changed. Can you imagine going outside to all of the homeless people and saying, "You can come inside now. We have recognized what we were doing. Sorry about that."

When the rules of the system are that your rights as a citizen include always having food and water, shelter and health care wherever you are no matter what you do or don't do then you will be truly free.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 12 years ago

Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:




because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.

Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.

Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.

Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.

The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.

Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.

So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.

[-] 1 points by retiredguy (2) 12 years ago

What? How? Why?