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Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 4:37 p.m. EST by victor (16)
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I think the protest should be celebrity free...they are part of the 99% and water down the whole message. Put the heat on them too so they will have to do more than just appear sympathetic.



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[-] 1 points by Abridge3141 (117) 12 years ago

DEAR INDIVIDUAL READING THIS, What must we as people do to fight this grave injustice inflicted upon us, by the ones who lust for power? How can we end the reign of the wicked and immoral and mete JUSTICE upon the oppressors as we have suffered from their hands-their blood stained hands... An idea of REVOLUTION-no, the act of revolution enacted by the proletarians! Must we as individuals ,as is always done, remain pawns to these people, these monoliths that we alone as individuals cannot surmounted...I surmise that we are not ignorant to the woes inflicted upon us by their enormities? We must UNIFY! Unity will be the way in which we assert ourselves!...While I realize all are not are not without income or funds and many cannot unify with this growing movement do to reasons of possible opposition and they being the people I'm question who we oppose (Wall Street), and many have responsibility they must tend to that take precedence. We must rise and vanquish this behemothto restore the equilibrium, for when disturbed it causes much chaos and strife in the hearts of man( man being neutral to represent all genders) in his mind and when mans mind and soul are in chaos as many are they rise to vanquish the pestiferous wealthy. However we should not just target these individuals, each of us individually must confront the corruption in our hearts, how can we judge the corrupt and deem them so when we cannot be amenable for ourselves we will surely be deemed hypocrites as we will be.....I am not meaning to say that this protest is in any way unjust, for far too long have we suffered, I mean that we are expected to expiate our sins -assume our parts in the problems we face and how we may have caused it. Yes, the Bankers on Wall Street are corrupt in ways we don't have evidence of without an investigation. But as we suffer soshall they, for we will make it so. But what of our government I say, my fellow citizens do not neglect to Confront the complicit in this affair for the roots of corruption are deeply seated, we have silent enemies amongst us-be warned that although succession in our goals will happen we may face a greater threat to our rights granted unto us from birth be prudent and circumspect. Another issue I wish to address is the idea of mans continual corruption as all things will be permeated with this darkness Inside our hearts.......when a system is created it always deviates from the righteous path, for nations we have learnt of in our education are littered with tales of nations that became corrupt and faded Into the ruin of collapse, we know that a society without corruption is utterly inconceivable, impossible in ways each and everyone of us know...for as long as men exist so shall our inner evil....but I digress from my original Intent of this passage and I ask forgiveness as we must forgive all in all eventual....the rising potentiality of this movement is quite an astonishment, I thought we were not capable of such things and thus I admit I had less faith in my fellow man. I see that we have all come to the realization of the need to bring the greedy to justice, although the reasons for your protesting may be unique to you, you share many goal, I had prognostications, inklings seems more appropriate of a term, that one day man would wake to realize the greater truth outside of his/her reality, and break the cycles of obsession with superficial base needs and trite motives, a dull and predictable lot we were but we've surpassed that I hope....for if not we will founder and fall Into the patterns we had grown so accustomed to, living such prosaic pedestrian lives stultified by the elite and of our own ignorance we always have the means to educate ourselves in this age, we have no limits to what we may learn based on our status in society, the powerful can no longer succeed in keeping us stupefied we have freewill to reason and learn and form our own ideas, ideas that would otherwise have died by the hands of the bigots! Our endeavours shall be crowned with fruition of our goals for our will allows it, we have broken free from the will of the oppressors......as Desmond Tutu stated "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." YOURS TRULY-Aaron Thomas Bridge

[-] 2 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

Nah...let's target the corruption out there first and leave each individual heart for another time.

What a narcissist. You have posted the exact same 'piece' all over the forum - no matter what the thread is about. You obviously love your own reflection but couldn't care less about the reader - just one splodge of clap trap text with no breaks which would make it easier for the eye to parse. I get the impression you actually couldn't care less if anyone reads it so long as it takes up most of the space - maybe that's the point?

[-] 1 points by Abridge3141 (117) 12 years ago

How impertinent of you and your analysis of my work..I do not mean to consume the space it takes, I spent an amount of my time equating to about an hour without pause to write this essay....your naive to believe that the corruption "out there" needs to be dealt with when you forget that the corruption "out there" originates at one point "here" individually in each man....I am not at fault for your lack of wanting to read, and I also ask that you really peruse the essay other than critiquing certain points...and I apologize for the difficulty reading it you may have...I've tried to correct its lack of spacing but each and every attempt has resulted in what you see.. Also would I have spent time typing it if I had not wanted you and others to read it...

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

impertinent = not showing proper respect. You find a discussion and post a large text with no specific insight into the particular topic of discussion - in fact ignoring it. That shows 'improper respect' for the people here who bothered to at least discuss the issue - irrelevant tho' it may be in the big scheme of things. (insert line break)

I said corruption 'out there' first - and the individual heart later -so i did not forget the heart. Don't you think a bit of 'legislation' etc., might be faster and more reliable than having to change individuals hearts?

I did 'really peruse' your article/polemic. It was quite 'stirring.' But i think the reply that answered my original question and was best formulated, and concise without any histrionics was: (insert line break)

"You made them celebrities didn't you? You made the 1% rich didn't you? You are addicted to whatever Capitalism offers aren't you? End your addiction and the rest falls into place."

ps. try turning on your 'java script' to edit your stuff properly.

[-] 1 points by Abridge3141 (117) 12 years ago

Hmmmm....quite true....I do suppose that it was quite rude of me to post this in topics not having to deal with, and I was in error for doing so and I apologize for my lack of proper respect to the individuals on this forum..and yes I support proper legislation as was your example, and my piece wasn't staged or theatrical as is the definition of histrionic...I am hopeful to resolve this issue and again I apologize....

[-] 1 points by JohnB (138) 12 years ago

I think the most radical thing the Occupy movement can do at this point is to invite the 1% to the General Assemblies. They will only represent 1% of the total number in attendance, but they will have an equal chance to express themselves and be a part of the process.

This will go a long way towards making the transformations we want to see. Gandhi said, "be the change you want to see." We should be advocating for 100% inclusiveness for all human beings.

I want to see a society where the bottom 1% and the top 1% are both sitting at the table as brothers and as equals.

[-] 1 points by thejunkie (50) 12 years ago

You made them celebrities didn't you?

You made the 1% rich didn't you?

You are addicted to whatever Capitalism offers aren't you?

End your addiction and the rest falls into place.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

in a nutshell

[-] 1 points by grepcat (121) 12 years ago

Get their monetary support and politely ask them to shut up.

[-] 1 points by DCResident (70) 12 years ago

I think they can help. Of course, we can't allow the movement to be co-opted by celebrities, but they can help spread the message and reach the large percentage of Americans who think they are worth listening to.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

Don't worry - you don't need any celebs to sell this message.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago

I disagree. In what way do celebrities "water down the whole message"?

And are they not Americans too, exercising their right of free speech?

[-] 1 points by daffyff (104) from Redwood City, CA 12 years ago

They are very public figures whose celebrity and fame depend not only on mass appeal but also on media conglomerates. This presents a possible conflict of interest which may lead to them publicly denouncing the movement causing more harm then their involvement did good.

Ultimately there should be no public figurehead of this movement that can be crucified or demonized. No face should be associated with it.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago

What about Susan Sarandon? Or Sissy Spacek, who showed tremendous courage in accepting a lead role in the important movie "Missing"?

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

"And for her courageous performance in...here's an Oscar." You and I have a different definition of courageous obviously.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago

Your cynicism appals me...

"Missing" was one of the most forceful denunciations of our government's criminal foreign policy ever brought to the big screen.

This remarkable movie denounced the FIRST "9/11", the 9/11 that WE caused to the people of Chile in 1973 and which brought to power one of our most unsavory puppets, war criminal General Augusto Pinochet. (check Wikipedia if you don't believe me).

I object to lumping together ALL celebrities : I thinks it's unfair to them and unhelpful to our Movement.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

fair enough : She sounds wonderful. I'll check out the film. And you are probably right about everything else.

PS Do we really need a 'hollywood' movie 35 (oops movie made in 1984) years after the fact before we know what's really happening?

Fonda in Vietnam whilst at war with 'em: WOW! Courageous.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

I thought the protest was about greed, corruption and money over people. The media industry is a part of corporate america - its propaganda wing. By having super rich celebrities out their getting their photos taken with the plebs you get a mixed message. Imagine the chagrin of these celebs actually being shamed for their overt wealth and hypocrisy...it might make some of them think for a change - about who they work for.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago

Not all the rich are bad (Remember, even the "Jesus Movement" had rich patrons, such as Mary of Magdala, Joanna and Susanna).

And not all celebrities are that rich or that greedy...

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle

[-] 1 points by 71353933 (85) 12 years ago

I see you quote Jesus......

You must be a believer in Jesus as Christ and Lord, yes?

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

Oh Oh... I've invoked God's police....

[-] 1 points by 71353933 (85) 12 years ago

Why do you make fun?

You quoted Jesus....I suspect your a believer...

He cares about your soul.....

If your not a believer why quote from Him in whom you do not believe?

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago

And yet, Mary of Magdala, Joanna and Susanna were all close friends of Jesus...

It ia abundantly clear in the Gospels that Jesus made a distinction between the rich who shared with open hands and open hearts... and the sociopathic rich who hung on to every last half-shekel and had nothing but contempt for the less fortunate.

I think the same, common-sense distinction applies to the rich in America today.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

They didn't have to deal with Rupert Murdoch...or actually maybe they did!

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 12 years ago

Murdoch as the Devil ... gotcha!


[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

Rupert as Devil - a joke.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

the propaganda wing of corporate america will have stories about the wonderful celebrities mixing with the plebs and water down the story.

It's not about whether some celebs are kind and non-greedy types - it's about the way the movement will be used by the media. Don't give them the chance to divert attention away with 'human interest stories' about celebs.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 12 years ago

Depends on the celebrity. Some are sincere, some jump on the bandwagon for their own personal gain, free publicity, etc. The problem is how can you tell the difference. Bear in mind, they all work for the media, which is, of course, part of the problem.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

I don't think it matters - the good ones will understand the need for the action.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 12 years ago

Oh yeah, I don't have a problem with sincere celebrities getting on board. I'm just saying it's hard for the regular folk like us to be able to tell the difference. Some are just media whores.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

that's their business model

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 12 years ago

Yeah. I was surprised (well, maybe not) a while back when I heard that, if you're a celebrity, say a movie star, you're also a corporation. Go figure. Brad Pitt, Inc.

[-] 1 points by victor (16) 12 years ago

He's cool... likes gay marriage etc

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 12 years ago

I like Brad. Just using him as an example. First name that came to mind.