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Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 30, 2011, 12:06 p.m. EST by Perspective (-243)
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Woohoo,last day at old contract!!!! Head of security bought us breakfast at Bob Evans.....love biscuits and gravy!!! Paid for 8 and out the door. Start new job jan 9th for $1.77 more on the hour plus company vehicle 24/7 heheheh. TELL ME HARD WORK DOESN'T PAY OFF LOSERS!!! Have the next week off,make several hundred dollars from side work,life is good. Shame you OWS people can't see your way to success.

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[-] 10 points by Nicolas (258) from Québec, QC 2 years ago

One day, people like you will understand that ows is not, in fact, a collection of people whining over their individual fates ( mind you, in a just and democratic society, that's legit too). The numbers and statistics are there, undeniable and unanimous, and no amount of personal tales of victory or whishful thinking will make them go away.

Sure, as an individual, the responsible thing to do in hard times is try to make the best of it and not complain too much. But as a citizen, and when the hard times are not due to natural forces but to dysfunctional man-made economic systems and human corruption, the responsible thing to do is to complain and demand and decry. It is in fact your duty to all your fellow citizens.

The people of ows are not free-loaders asking for hand outs. They are people picking up the slack of those that let us get into this mess in the first place and finally waking up to their civic responsabilities. I hope you do too, someday.

[-] 2 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

I so agree with your post, I have been complaining about things for the past two decades, and my family has shunned me at the dinner table, and now that things are playing out as I had complained about, they dont even remember that I have complained, they are so brainwashed they only remember that I am a complainer, when in fact so many people now are suffering, what is funny is that the kharma circle is coming around though, I am being blessed and they are now suffering. (another story)

[-] 2 points by owsass (-36) 2 years ago

It's fascinating that all the energy comes from Canada, or here in Australia, I have seen NIL posters on this forum from the USA!

Has everyone in the USA simply quit?

I think OWS has made even the radicals apathetic.

The rest of us as observers want to join in and toss our two-cents ( opinion in USA speak ).

[-] 1 points by uhandleit (43) 2 years ago

That is the message I would like to be in the forefront. Thaks

[-] 0 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

Mmm...no, I think they're whiny, resentful, envious freeloaders.

[-] 4 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Do you understand the principles of inductive reasoning you fucking idiot? What happens to you personally is no evidence of the broader trend. You found a nice job, good for you. 30 MILLION Americans are still without work, and I promise you that MANY, MANY, MANY of them are equally as skilled and qualified and hard working as you, or more so.

BTW: I am a fully employed, white-collar, professional.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Obama says it is getting better, only at 8.6%. I know he promised his stimulus would keep it under 8%, but hey, it's Bush's fault.

[-] 2 points by gsw (2693) 2 years ago

so much money has been sucked out of the system by the elite and government, and corporate profits are way up, and just being sat on, and the middle class has little to spend on extras to get the economy back on track. So he didn't see unemployment going so high, this was not an ordinary recession. anyway, what could he do. i thought government doesn't create jobs? he should have nationalized the banks. my wife, not much of an authority, stated of course the bankers and government are going to make off with the cash, if no one's paying attention. They're just paying each other and awarding each other jobs. They are not facing unemployment. The riche's debt is at like 5 percent, whereas everyone else needs debt just to make ends meet.

Now how would I be able to go out and create jobs, if banks won't lend me money?

maybe we should've had a works-progress-like program, and allowed the unemployed, those getting unemployment, an option of working, in parks (national state local...they're all laying off the rangers as it is) tutoring in schools, interning in local businesses)

http://www.the99declaration.org/

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

One hell of a ponzi scheme they've got going.

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[-] 1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Matt Damon?What a joke.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

No. It's our fault. We have the inept, corrupt, and self-serving government we voted for. Neither party represents the interests of the 99%.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Your wrong.

We have the best government we allowed the corporations to buy out from under us, while we argued over which party did it.

OccupyWallstreet!

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

the corporations would not have been able to buy our democracy out from under us (which they most certainly have done) had we not, as a body politic, fallen asleep at the switch.

They played the pipers tune, and we danced over the cliff.

The only thing to do now is climb back up the rock, and cram those pipes down their fascist maws.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I wasn't asleep. Most would just not listen to me.

Wouldn't believe it. Many still don't.

Tax the "owners" high enough, that it is no longer profitable to buy the government, on any level.

Treat them, as they would treat us.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

That is fact.

[-] -2 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

You make an awful lot of assumptions you fucking idiot.(your words) Sorry you can't see the opportunity available in this country dumbass. People like you make people like me MONEY!!!! bet you couldn't change a toilet flush valve if you had to ROFL.

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

You are the one making an awful lot of assumptions, you blithering moron. Your personal experience does not generalize. Just because you got lucky, doesn't mean everyone with the same background and work ethic can and should get equally lucky. In fact, you getting a winning ticket, takes one winning ticket out of circulation, and means there is one less chance for the next person.

[-] 1 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

And there's the 'winning' mindset. Success equals failure. Is it any wonder they think camping will bring some utopian change? Maybe try camping and stomping your feet! lol

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I guess you haven't understood that this country was built on "working hard" and built by labor. Luck has nothing to do with it - it's all about determination.

If a person goes to college and doesn't have a job handed to them they think the world sucks. Well that isn't so. There are jobs out there, lots of jobs and lots of good paying jobs.

A lot of people don't know how to "look for a job" and a lot of people out there "can't pass a drug test" to get a decent job, and a lot of people out there just don't know how to present themselves to get a "good paying job". you know like tatoos all over their body, body piercing in their nose, eyebrows and so on.

And lastly many of those don't know how to be productive enough to keep a good paying job. Do you really think a businessman will pay a person $25.00 an hour to text, blog, facebook or just plain do everything else instead of being productive. I don't think so.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

So tattooed people cannot work? Does that go for military tattoos, or only civilian? My late father was a Navy/Marine underwater demolition expert in Vietnam (a frogman), he had plenty of tattoos from his time in Military service. Were he alive, I would dare you to tell him that they had any bearing whatsoever on his ability to work hard. I have 2 tattoos myself, as do most of the guys I went to grad school with, and many of the finest scholars I've ever met. All gainfully employed, hard working people.

You're deluding yourself if you deny that there is an element of chance/luck in human flourishing. We are all one epidemic/illness/natural disaster away from utter destitution (unless of course you're in the 01%). The fact that anyone flourishes at all is only made possible due in large part to chance.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

By having tatoos you limit what jobs you can get - don't you think? I mean do you think a "chain" tatoo around your neck would be appropriate at a "board room meeting" with people from other countries who are there to buy products your company sells?

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

You seem to have been thinking that having a tattoos or piercings is somehow an emblem of inability to work. This is complete and utter bullshit

I gave you one example, Military Tattoos. No one ever refused my father employment on account of his special forces tattoos.

Another example: Should a pacific islander, in whose culture boys are given prominent facial (head and neck) tattoos upon reaching manhood at 12-14, be denied employment because they look "lower class."

What a crass, Eurocentric, white protestant, load of shit.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I didn't say it gives a person the ability not to work What I said it limits their job opportunities.

I never said anything about a person having a "tatoo" being denied employment because they look "lower class"

I gave you an example and you became emotional and it shows in your reply.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

You expressed a common, culturally specific, and entirely ignorant presupposition, namely that tattoos and piercings, especially when prominent, should be used to bar people from employment. And that people who have them are clueless and don't deserve employment.

This is total bullshit.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Well then here is the challange - send a person with tatoos all over his body to a corporate office for an interview and let me know if he gets the job.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

What would that prove? That people value appearances over substance? Plato showed that to be true in the 4th Century BCE.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

It proves what I stated - people with tatoos are less likely to get employed when they have the same qualifications as the person next to them.

Check with the "head hunders" who recruit people for jobs.

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

What a childish and idiotic criterion for employment.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Truth hurts ey?

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Yah, but it's true.

[-] -2 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Isn't it funny how you losers always say someone was just lucky? It just sticks in your craw to think that someone could get ahead because of hard work because it throws a monkey wrench in your distorted little view of the world. You're really quite pathetic.

[-] 3 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

450 people applied for the job I now have. 450. And I got the job. Why? Perfect educational record? We all had that. Expert knowledge of the subject matter? We all had that as well. Glowing recommendations from top professionals in our field? We wouldn't even bother applying without them. Hard Work? All 450 of us worked very hard and made personal sacrifices for our PhD (years in poverty, toiling in obscurity, little to no social life or expenable income).

So what was the difference? I was, simply, lucky. They interviewed 20 people out of 450, and called 5 for a campus visit, and I was the one they liked most.

I would never be so stupid as to tell myself that I am any better, more qualified, or harder working than the other 450 applicants who were turned away.

[-] 1 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

And by being lucky you took another 'winning ticket' out of the running, isn't that your whine from somewhere up this comment chain? You should quit for the betterment of your fellow PhD's! lol (Yeah, you have a PhD. By reading your stuff here I'd have to say that if you really do have a PhD then you sure are right, you're not better or more qualified than the other 449 who didn't get your job.)

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[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

So, you must have had a distinguishing factor that seperated you from the rest of the crowd. It doesn't necessarily mean "knowledge" or "degree of education"

Why don't you ask and I guarentee you you will be surprised in the answer you will receive - and I guarentee you it won't be because of you having all the same qualifications as the other applicants.

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

I don't need to ask. The only possible distinguishing factor, since all of the other applicants (or at least I suppose the vast majority of them) were equally as qualified as I was/am in any objectively measurable sense (work ethic, publications, recommedations, GPA, expertise etc) is something entirely subjective, some likability that I possessed and others lacked. And this entirely a matter of chance (or luck).

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Lol whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. I know how good I am at what I do and I know what I'm worth. I will never be without work

[-] 3 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Oh I see. You simply will yourself into a job. what a convenient system.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Lol well you're kind of right. It is my will to have a job and I've taken the steps to make sure I do. Shame you can't understand that.

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Shame you can't understand that no matter what steps you take, your success is largely a matter of luck. In the Universe every event is an expression of fluctuations in the probability field. After all a neighboring star could have gone Supernova when you were 12, and you'd not be employed.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

ROFLMFAO Buphilo you're my new idol. Guess we disagree on what "luck" is defined as. I prefer to make my own luck and find it works rather well.

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

How can we have different definitions of luck? What could "luck" mean to you, if it does not mean "chance"?

And fine you "make your own luck", but you do not do it in a vacuum. Regardless of how hard anyone works, or how skilled they are, they are a heartbeat away from death at all times. A major illness (for them or their child) could rob them of their ability to work, their home, their dignity. 170 good, hardworking people in Joplin Missouri were killed by a tornado last summer, a bolt from the blue, and tens of thousands more were left homeless, jobless, and without transportation or basic survival needs.

Face it, you've been very lucky! Chance... the uncontrollable variable, has been good to you. You didn't create it, you didn't will it, you simply benefited from it, while others have suffered at its hands.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

What a pathetic point of view. Don't bother trying because it's all just dumb luck. Do you realize how dumb you sound?

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

You are not listening. I didn't say it was "all just dumb luck". I said "luck plays a significant role, more significant than you care to admit." You're the one denying reality. You seem to think people can make themselves happy and successful with absolutely no help from others, and no good fortune. I believe fortune plays a role.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I see you're still having a problem with that whole honesty thing.

Not lacking a wit in hyperbole, though.

[-] 1 points by jeivers (278) 2 years ago

You are pathetic by coming here with nothing constructive but the idea in your head that you are somehow better than a bunch of other people which is obviously how you find value in yourself which is truly small minded and petty. It's why so many people lack empathy for others they need to know that others are worse off than them for them to feel good about themselves, it's persuasive and all part of the divide and conquer psychology of the Wealthy Elite.

Enjoy your little slice of happiness "Perspective" hope you value yourselves for yourself someday rather than feeling good because of the misfortune of others.

Happy New year!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

Isn't it ridiculous how they pose that all 300 million of us Americans, if we only weren't lazy and worked hard, could be rich and successful, when 1/2 of all jobs in this country pay less than $26k per year?

[-] 1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Maybe you should be applying for the other 50% of jobs then?

[-] 1 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

Beautiful!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

What makes you think I'm in the lower 50%? Because I have compassion? That is silly. Human beings can actually care about people who make less money than them. If a class society is what you are looking for go to India or Saudi Arabia. I thought we had a revolution to end that.

[-] 1 points by jeivers (278) 2 years ago

He is a troll - I make a lot more than him based on his post for a lot less work - but I in no way consider myself a better person than a guy that got laid off can't find work and just lost his house, you have to be a troll or a completely immoral loser to enjoy shoveling crap on suffering people like this dude does.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

He is a troll, yes. But these trolls are people and their ideas are coming from somewhere. I believe they've been trained/indoctrinated by the 1% to support the interests of the 1% rather than their own. It's sad.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

ROFLMFAO indoctrinated? Have you ever listened to your OWS little chant/repeat? Talk about indoctrination.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

So, only trolls can repeat themselves? And, facts are not indoctrination. Facts are facts.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Where did I ever say that? The point is if you work hard and make good decisions you can and will succeed in this country.Sorry you don't seem to understand that. Happy New Year!!!

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[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

So, you start out making $26K and work you way up. How hard is that to do? I mean what do you expect - $75,000 from the beginning along with a new SUV, House and all the latest greatest gadgets?

And if you are in your later years of life then the decisions you made during that time had little to do with being financially secure and all to do about something else.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

If half of all Americans earn less than $26k per year then I don't see how they can all work their way up. There are not enough good jobs to go around.

[-] 1 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

There are more burger flippers than brain surgeons. If everyone was a brain surgeon, who would flip our burgers? Still don't get it? I don't think you people are physiologically capable of getting it. I really think it's the wiring. And I'm not a brain surgeon OR a burger flipper.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

Seems we agree.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

There are, they just have to go look for them. But, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. - too many people are into debt up to their eyeballs and aren't spending like they used to.

That's the reason the economy is where it's at today - no other reason.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

So, then, how do they "just go look for them" if the jobs don't exist?

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Sort of like I used to when I was out of work - Travel - there are jobs across this country.

When I was looking for work, I lived in a tent - lived in a camper for 5 years and traveled for 10 years. But I always had a job.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

I understand where you are coming from, but our economy does not have to be that hard on its citizens. Our economy could be much more humane and fair and there is enough wealth in this country that no one should ever have to live in a tent (not that that is such a bad thing.) You see, corporations and the wealthy could share their profits much more than they do today. 30 years ago the average CEO earned 40 times the average worker's wage. Today the average CEO earns 343 times the average worker's wage. Trickle down economics has not worked. It has failed miserably. This type of greed needs to end so that people, like yourself, who are willing to work hard, can make enough money to not only not qualify for food stamps, but to provide a decent living to their family. The fruits of the average worker's labor in this country has been denigrated over the past 30 years. Reverence for the worker needs to be restored.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Lets back up here. How did our forefathers make this country a better place for us to live? They didn't do it by working hard only to have someone take it away from them and give it to someone who was "less fortunate".

So if you take away the "drive" for someone to succede you know what they are going to say - screw you why should I work harder then the next guy.

This is "the real world way of thinking" not a "fantasy world" where everyone is good looking and everyone is above average and everyone is equal to everyone else.

This is not greed it's called "capitalism" and that's what our country was founded on.

I have always made good money and never was concerned about what others made. And when someone elese was successful, they were complimented for their "accomplishments".

I can become a millionaire if I so chose to or I can be a "pauper" if I so chose to. It all depends on "how determined I am to do it".

That's what our country was built on - determination and the desire to succede. Not the determinaition and desire to take from others because I want what they have.

My "fruits of labor" have gone up in the last 30 years, as a matter of fact my wages trippled.

There are lots of people out there who are "fat and happy" making a paycheck, living from week to week having enought to pay their bills and have some left over for their enterntainment.

No money in the bank, thousands in credit card debt and when the SHTF they are the first to complain about the "evil rich and wealthy'.

Well if they got off their fat Ass and paid attention to what's going on around them they would know things change. Prices goes up and so does the cost of living.

If they think that they should have children living on minimum wage then they get what they deserve. No desire to improve their job skills - just complaining about how unfair society is to them.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

How can I answer your question if you permalink me? Yes, it's hard running a business.

A living wage is a complex thing. It would not be simple to put in place. It would not be across the board geographically or by company size. It could be a percent of profit. There are many options. With so many Americans in poverty it is imperative that this issue be discussed. It shouldn't make you fearful.

Have you ever tried living on less than $26,000/year?

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Well, if you can't answer my question then you don't know what is inovlved in not only operating a business but the costs associated with keeping the doors open.

Now, that is not to say that "transfering money" is not a business and that is why there is a "lot of money on Wall Street".

But you need to understand what a "small company" is up against when it comes to "operating the business".

You can't simply say - we need to give everyone a "living wage" because thats the thing to do. There are "consequences" for such actions and you can be sure - people who want to go into business will think twice.

A person is "worth their salt" in what they know and can do - a person can succede regardless of the circumstances.

Instead of a living wage, people who are on the "government dole" should be trained by the government - put to work to learn a craft,trade or go to college in return for "being on the government dole.

That wold work - then the person would have "pride in themselves" and feel they are "contributing to society" instead of just "taking away from it.

But our government doesn't know how to do this - it's broken and until we get people in office who understand what needs to be done to put people back to work it won't change anytime soon.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

If you pay people a living wage you won't need to pay them "entitlements," such as food stamps and tax breaks, they'll have more money to spend, demand for goods and products will go up and everyone will be happy.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Let me ask you a question.

Have you ever been involved in managing a business or involved in owning a business?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

No problem, SteveKJR, think what you want. I disagree with you entirely and I never ever said that small businesses or corporations should share their profits equally with employees. What I said is that they should pay a living wage. OWS is about fairness.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

How can you expect a business to pay someone who isn't worth what they are being paid? It makes no sense.

If you pay a person who enters the job force unquallified for $20.00 and you have other employees working for $20.00 who are qualified does that make any sense?

And if you expect a small business to pay "$30.00 to their qualified employees how much do you think the product they are going to sell will be?

It won't be too long before they are out of business.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

I'm sorry. I just disagree with you entirely. I never said everyone should be paid an "equal" amount, but a living wage would be nice, one where a person can provide shelter, food, transportation, healthcare, education and other basic necessities for their family. And, no I'm no elitist. I definitely don't think having children is a reserve of the wealthy. That sounds like social darwinism.

Are you aware of the poverty statistics in this country. 1 in 7 Americans are on food stamps, 42% live below the poverty line. Half of all Americans earn less than $26,000/year. 49 million have no health insurance. Do you really think this is because they are all lazy? Most people who work at low paying jobs work their asses off at back breaking work. They are the nuts and bolts of this economy. Without their hard work there would be no profits and no rich people. Who do you think does the work to provide the profits to these corporations? Why should workers have to accept the measly crumbs thrown to them?

Why do you think that anyone who works hard can be rich? Do you really think the U.S. economy could handle 300 million successful businesspeople/millionaires? No. It absolutely could not. But, it certainly could pay hard working people a living wage.

Even the Catholic Church calls for a "Just Wage" to provide workers with enough money to live in dignity and respect.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Hey, when I was growing up, our family was on "food stamps". You know what it taught me - If I want something I am going to have to go and work for it.

As I have stated - there are jobs out there. One problem is that a lot of people can't pass "drug tests" and as a result don't get hired.

People don't have to "accept measly crumbs thrown to them". How do you think a "small business" starts out? Do you think that a "small business" which by the way count for approximately 60% of all businesses in this country, should "give equally" all the profits a company makes each month?

Does that even make sense? So If a company makes a profit and gives everyone a "equal share" how do you think that company is going to "grow"

Where do you think "jobs come from". If you take away the profits from a company do you really expect them to continue doing business - hell no.

Tell me - how do you think the 49 million Americans you are talking about who don't have "health insurance" got that way?

A person who works hard can be rich - want to know why? Because they have a plan and they have determination - they are not afraid to work 80 - 100 hours a week to accomplish that goal.

They are not afraid to invest in themselves to learn "how to become rich" and they are not afraid to "take chances".

How many people do you know who have the desire to do that, are doing it and are "still in poverty"?

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Pray tell where did I "feel good because of the misfortune of other"? I merely state that if you work hard and are good at what you do and you choose your career properly YOU WILL SUCCEED! Apparently you can't comprehend the concept.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

No what I'm trying to tell you is you can be successful if you try. Sorry you can't understand the concepts of personal responsibility and hard work.

[-] 1 points by jeivers (278) 2 years ago

Ok loser - keep making yourself feel better with these insults - obviously you dont work that hard if you spend your time trolling on a forum about something that you caring nothing about.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

LOL why do you feel insulted? Because I told you hard work and personal responsibility pays off? Once again,sorry you can't grasp the concepts.

[-] 3 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Really? You're excited about a dollar seventy seven increase? How much is being made off of you? Who is doing the work? Why are you so excited that a middleman is making more money from your labor than you are? It's a tragic notion that you should think that is ok or even normal. Being taken advantage of and even being happy about it. Good work, I guess?

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Well I guess he could go into business for himself and have people work for him. Would he then be considered a "master" and his workers "slaves"?

[-] -2 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Lol I know I'm sold for $90 an hour.so what? I help the company prosper and they help me prosper. You poor sad little loser.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

and you felt it worth mentioning that you made a 1.77$ increase? doubtful.

[-] 1 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

Not having read past this post I'm going to predict the already showing through envy and resentment will accelerate in subsequent posts. Let's see.

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Hi John. How are you? No jealousy. After speaking with Perspective, I don't see him/her as someone with the ability to learn what it takes to make $90 an hour. If they do, good on them.

What an individuals experience may be does not invalidate the premise of this movement. Every person aware of this movement is also aware of that fact, regardless of agreement. It simply boils down to empathy, a characteristic know to be lacking in less intelligent people and common to about 20% of the population. I believe Perspective falls within this category.

[-] 2 points by WooHoo (15) 2 years ago

The premise of this 'movement' is indistinguishable from the absence of a premise. No leaders, a smattering of vague goals. And the key is what you 'believe'. Because you believe something does not, of itself, necessarily have any connection to reality. It's why there are a few thousand people who thought camping would make a difference.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

The NEED Act, The Occupy amendment, and about a dozen other pieces of legislation I cannot name off the top of my head. I would say that when congress returns to session, these things will begin their trip of becoming law. By the end of this summer, this particular movement will have shaped our government more than any single movement in American history. The proposed legislation by itself is proof of impact, the follow through will be historic. It isn't just about Occupy, it isn't just about the 99% concept, it's the natural order of human behavior. How do you think that keyboard in front of you came to pass? It certainly wasn't because the communication companies thought it would be good for business. Occupy is but a handful of trees.

[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Well considering he called me and not the other way around shows that I have the skills he needs to make his company successful and he knows that and is willing to pay me well. Remember,I worked for the man for 12 yrs before this last 4 1/2 yr stint where I am for another day and a half and every single hour I worked he billed for. $90 Hr and I made $25 with benefits. I always got nice bonuses every year from him (min $1k) and annual col raises.I will make him money now once again and he will make me money.Hard work,drive,initiative can and most definitely will allow you to become successful.One must make one's self valuable through the skills and knowledge that they acquire and apply in life.Knowledge is power. This no one can deny.I am not always paid as much for what I do as what i know. Oh hell nvm I'm waxing philosophical lol

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

Then why are you on this forum?

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[-] -1 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

I want to show you the truth. :-)

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 2 years ago

So your experiences are supposed to have more value to me than my own? Pretty lofty goal.

[-] 1 points by gsw (2693) 2 years ago

get it in writing

[-] -2 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Already have heheh,Mama didn't raise no fool :-)

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"Celebrating!!!" ?!! & iL0L! ~{:-p)

By Yourself ?!!! On Your Own ?!! or With Us Here ... by gloating ?! You know what they say about "A Fool and his Money" don't you ? In that, "They Are Soon Parted" !!

So much for your "Perspective" !! Try : http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/i-psychopath/ for self-insight &

For insight into O.W.S. and all things 'Occupy' try :

a) http://documentarystorm.com/inside-job/ ;

b) http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/economics/ ;

c) http://www.storyofstuff.org/movies-all/story-of-broke/ ;

d) http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/ &

e) http://www.opensecrets.org/ !!!

Good Luck for Peace, Prosperity and Potential in 2012 to you and yours (?!) but as you are such an autistic, supercilious and graceless ingrate - you won't of course have the heart or 'psychic-architecture' to wish us, The 99% the same !!

Nosce Te Ipsum !

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

I most certainly do wish everyone else success! The thing is I believe we make our own "luck" and I believe that my hard work counts for something which obviously employers feel the same. I make money for the company,it prospers,I prosper,the more money the company makes,the more money I make. It's all a rather simple formula if you think about it. Best Wishes and a Happy New Year.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Thanx. You seem to be able to quickly learn 'from' others how to behave 'with' others !! Hmmm ... ;-)

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The economy is getting worse, and so are the people's work ethic. I look around me over the course of a week and I just dont see hungry people, even the younger ones.

[-] 1 points by harry2 (113) 2 years ago

Some people can see and think, innovate, improve and advance, some just see green paper and some one will think for them.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Well said

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

I'm happy for you, Perspective, I really am, but you are working two jobs to get by and $1.77 more an hour is nothing to cheer about. Do you have health insurance, vacation pay, sick pay, a retirement plan? Can you pay your bills, put your kids through college, buy a car of your own?

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

I am working one job. I get 2 weeks vacation,pay 20% of my health insurance,have a 401k that company matches up to 5%,pay my bills,own 3 vehicles 2 paid for one still on credit,my 22 yr old son has enough sense of responsibility to pay for his own schooling. Why do you feel the need to degrade someone who has succeeded through their own initiative,drive,and hard work?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

I'm glad you have all of those things. You deserve all of those things. Why do you degrade people who have less than you? Why do you think you are better than others? Why do you think other people, who are not as successful as you, didn't work as hard as you? Why don't you have any compassion?

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

I'm not degrading anybody. I'm trying to show you that it IS POSSIBLE to succeed through hard work and good decision making. if you can't understand that I'm sorry. Why does OWS feel the need to attack me because I'm a successful normal everyday working joe? because I don't fit into your idea of how the world is? Why? I would think that OWS would laud me but no,instead I'm insulted,told I'm just lucky,etc. I'm part of what you people claim to represent but since my story doesn't fit the doom and gloom you espouse I'm bad.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20917) 2 years ago

Half of all jobs in this country pay less than $26k. 1 in 7 Americans qualify for food stamps and many of them work. 42% of Americans live in poverty. 49 million Americans have no life insurance. Wages have declined by 8% in the last decade while CEO's earn an average of 343 times the average workers wage. What more can I say. Yes, you can work hard and you can succeed, but you can also work hard and stay very very poor.

[-] 1 points by qazxsw123 (238) 2 years ago

This is why I am celebrating:

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2V5X5#a=1

Three months ago, who had heard about OWS? And now? It's in the vernacular.

Well done!

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I've known far too many, for whom hard work and a strong work ethic, just got 'em layed off despite all that.

For everyone of you, there are 100, for whom it failed.

Multiple times.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Free company vehicle?

You must work for socialists.

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[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 2 years ago

Lol nah I'm just good at what I do.

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