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Forum Post: Can you answer this in 1 sentence?

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 11, 2011, 1:20 p.m. EST by Rob (881)
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What do you want?

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[-] 5 points by annecurrey (30) 13 years ago

Divorce of government and money in this nation. They have no business together.

[-] 1 points by boxertoby (27) from Nutley, NJ 13 years ago

Agreed!

I think this is the central issue yet people keep saying over and over again that the protesters have no clear demands. That is the demand ... "Divorce of government and money in this nation. They have no business together." ..... now stop asking.

If that one demand is met ... mostly all other grievances can be met.

[-] 1 points by boxertoby (27) from Nutley, NJ 13 years ago

Agreed!

I think this is the central issue yet people keep saying over and over again that the protesters have no clear demands. That is the demand ... "Divorce of government and money in this nation. They have no business together." ..... now stop asking.

If that one demand is met ... mostly all other grievances can be met.

[-] 1 points by WhyIsTheCouchAlwaysWet (316) from Lexington, KY 13 years ago

Hear, hear!

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 13 years ago

Yes, yes, yes! So many of our problems can be traced back to this one link!

[-] -1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Ugh, again, two sentences, FAIL.

[-] 1 points by mancanbemore (30) 13 years ago

the second sentence didnt matter. the truth is politics and money have to diverge. an aptly explained unifying point of view of the ows movement if you ask me

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 13 years ago

I'm sure your post made sense to you....

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

Love your idea.

[-] -1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Two sentences, FAIL.

[-] 2 points by annecurrey (30) 13 years ago

Divorce of government and money in this nation since they have no business together. ONE SENTENCE

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Gold star.

[-] 2 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 13 years ago

simple minds want simple answers. the protesters are writing a book. if you don't want to read it, that's your problem. nobody owes you an answer limited to one sentence - go to Fox news/commentary for that.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

You are right, this is voluntary and no one owes any answer at all, but you chose to post and break the rules. You do not realize how profound 1 sentence can be, yet sometimes the most complex statement can best be said with one sentence.

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 13 years ago

sometimes it can, most times it can't. the simple answer is usually derived after the long narrative of a debate. the simple answer is a luxury after the real work of thinking has been done. maybe it's better said that lazy minds prefer simple answers.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

I will not say I disagree with you as that is well put, but by the same token sometimes the simplest answer grabs the most attention and created a chain reaction to make people think, or research, or react.

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 13 years ago

hardly ever do "real" things begin with that

[-] 0 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Simple Minds? I love that band!

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 13 years ago

me too

[-] 2 points by annie (132) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

I want to work, pay my fair share of taxes for services that improve my life and the lives of my children and the broader community. And I'd like corporations and the very rich to have to follow the same rules. so simple.

for another sentence...I'd like corporate money out of elections, government and policy.

[-] 1 points by marsdefIAnCe (365) 13 years ago

Nationalization of the federal reserve (including seizure of stolen assets) and the arrest of everyone who has participated in the fraud.

[-] 1 points by Elysium22 (95) 13 years ago

Restoration and securement of Inalienable rights,Ending Lobbying by corporations that have unlimited dollars at their disposal.End to corruption,Modernization of laws and government process,And for the people of this movement to help each other become more financially secure americans.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

that is just a bit more than one sentence.

[-] 1 points by Elysium22 (95) 13 years ago

there you go periods to commas :)

[-] 1 points by EricAndersonJr (51) from Bloomington, IN 13 years ago

Personally, I would like to see our government commit to stabilizing the lives of individual Americans with at least half the dedication and certainty of purpose they mustered to save the financial sector.

[-] 1 points by DirtyHippie (200) 13 years ago

Separation of Business and State.

[-] 1 points by George16 (6) 13 years ago

I want the federal reserve to quit intentionally creating inflation, due to the fact that such devaluation of the dollar impairs the obligaton of my employment contract. While my employer has agreed to pay me X amount of dollars each hour, our federal reserve intentionally decreases the value of the dollar so that I get cheated out of what my employment contract promised me.

The federal reserve is violating our Consitution by impairing the obligation of contracts. While employers are agreeing to pay workers an hourly waged based on the dollar, the dollar is continually being devalued to where the employee is earning less than what he agreed to work for. The federal reserve is intentionally decreasing the pay of workers by steadily devaluing the dollar.

All inflation does is tit creates a built in pay decrease for workers. Why does our government insist that steady inflation is good for our economy? It's not good for my economy.

MInimum wage laws have become the only means to adjust for such impairment of contracts. The problem is, minimum wage increases at a much lower rate and doesn't help those who earn more than minimum wage.

[-] 1 points by keto2211 (1) from Roberta, GA 13 years ago

I want people to realize their common humanity, and by that realize the need for an egalitarian world society that provides for the prosperity of all.

[-] 1 points by StevenMagnetgAyq5lzi952 (40) 13 years ago

Equality.

[-] 1 points by ponypasture (2) from Cambria, CA 13 years ago

Justice.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

For what? that is vague at best.

[-] 1 points by misse (2) 13 years ago

I want to be able to live according to my beliefs, not by how much money I make.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

and why can't you do that now?

[-] 1 points by misse (2) 13 years ago

I can't do that now because I am too focused on just getting by. When you get to a certain low point financially, there is only one focus: getting back on your feet. There is no living according to a belief system, there is just living. I used to work for unemployment. Every day people would call and tell their stories: I need this money or they'll shut my lights off, How am I going to feed my children?, I have to change my address on file because I now live at a homeless shelter. Do you think these people are living according to their beliefs? Do you think these people are even able to focus on anything other than how to get through the next day? Don't get me wrong, I believe people are in charge of their own lives, but when you are at the bottom of that 99%, all there is is getting by. People can't decide HOW they want to live when they are too focused on just living. So, I would like to be able to live according to my beliefs and not have money be a factor in how I live my life.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

what are your beliefs?

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

If you had 10 seconds to get attention and plant a seed, how would you do it?

[-] 1 points by simple (15) 13 years ago

Accountability and Answers.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

answers to what question(s)?

[-] 1 points by simple (15) 13 years ago

are you a government agent sitting here patrolling this post, and its comments? (hows that for a question)

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

Paranoid?

[-] 1 points by simple (15) 13 years ago

nope its just curious how so many of the posts like yours are being babysat, and response to each comment is being made....makes you sound unemployed or put up to something.....back to work now robot

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

Is curiosity so bad?

[-] 1 points by jm1166 (2) 13 years ago

A constitutional amendment making it illegal for corporations and other non-governmental institutions to give money, including all materials and services that can be converted into currency, to government institutions, elected officials and representatives, political parties, and those running for election in any government office; furthermore, that no elected official and representative of the government, no government institution, no political party, and no person running for election in any government office shall accept or receive money as it was described above.

[-] 1 points by jm1166 (2) 13 years ago

A constitutional amendment making it illegal for corporations and other non-governmental institutions to give money, including all materials and services that can be converted into currency, to government institutions, elected officials and representatives, political parties, and those running for election in any government office; furthermore, that no elected official and representative of the government, no government institution, no political party, and no person running for election in any government office shall accept or receive money as it was described above.

[-] 1 points by jolsson (18) 13 years ago

A democratic voting system such as the proportional representation system, in which elections and the resulting legislation is not controlled by monetary donations or financial muscle and in which the actual views of the American people are expressed through legislation.

[-] 1 points by Markmad (323) 13 years ago

You do windows?

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

I am going to bet it is from an android smart phone, no windows.

[-] 1 points by mb7 (1) 13 years ago

Divorce of government and money in this nation since they have no business together.

[-] 1 points by CleverUsername (18) from Kansas City, MO 13 years ago

I want to see the end of corporate welfare money corrupting policy and the return of competitive industry and education in the United States.

[-] 1 points by shadaxgale (230) from Oswego, NY 13 years ago
[-] 1 points by alwayzabull (228) 13 years ago

It's Time to GET MONEY OUT of politics

http://www.getmoneyout.com/

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

I want everyone to read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, because the economic nonsense on these forums is painful to read.

[-] 1 points by AngryCouch (5) 13 years ago

For the elected officials to care more about the country as opposed to their own personal wealth.

[-] 1 points by tmb112358 (1) from Omaha, NE 13 years ago

Peace, equality, and freedom.

[-] 1 points by phoenix60 (26) 13 years ago

That the government put the interests of the people first, instead of those of the corporations.

[-] 1 points by Liberated1 (22) 13 years ago

Please review and share this important information: http://cafr1.com/ProtestWallStreet.html

[-] 1 points by varg (5) from Bellingham, WA 13 years ago

The revival of democracy, as opposed to total domination of government by corporate interests.

[-] 1 points by rbe (687) 13 years ago

Peacefully controlling the unavoidable transition to a resource based economy.

[-] 1 points by Markmad (323) 13 years ago

Two burritos and a large soda!

[-] 1 points by quietlike (194) 13 years ago

SOUND MONEY, economic equality, Fraud to be prosecuted -so we can lift regulations, NOT wealth distribution.

[-] 1 points by GeoffH (214) from Jacksonville, FL 13 years ago

28th Amendment: The Separation of Market and State:

[-] 1 points by Markmad (323) 13 years ago

A pound of fifties!

[-] 1 points by hoot (313) 13 years ago

state and local government.

[-] 1 points by quadrawack (280) 13 years ago

End the fascism and bring back our government by the people for the people.

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) 13 years ago

floating minimum wage evaluated every quarter pegged to inflation and cost.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

How about no inflation? The Fed creates inflation by printing money and dilutes the value of the currency.

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) 13 years ago

that would be nice but inflation is required. the economy has to grow to accommodate a growing population. if the pop never changed it might be feasible.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Econ 101. Supply and demand. A growing population means increased demand for money, so any increase in the supply would be balanced by its use, keeping prices stable. Inflation is a devaluation of money, above and beyond the demand for new money.

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) 13 years ago

yes but increasing the amount of money in the system also causes inflation. or example A: population quadrupled, issued no extra money and/or kept prices fixed and $5 becomes worth $500. this is know as deflation and would cause a market collapse.

[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) 13 years ago

value will move, up or down but capitalism can't exist without it. well it can but it's called socialism.

[-] 1 points by Mariannka (63) 13 years ago

I am amased at how Occupy works. Would like to have your input on the movement to understaqnd it better. It’s only couple of minutes to answer 10 questions. I only collect 100 answers and happy to send results if you are interested. Please, take some time for it: Thank you! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q3NF7QB http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q3NF7QB

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 13 years ago

Genuine acts of responsibility on the part of every individual in conjunction with a decentralization of real resources (I don't care about money, that's just a means, not the end) that allows both community and individual to thrive without threat of an overshadowing power entity who can or does circumvent the will of the people or the individual.

[-] 1 points by notresponsible42 (64) from Jacksonville, FL 13 years ago

Let me try (doesn't count)

Big business to mine its own business and give our Republic back to the its owners.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

One point lost for the preamble, and another point for the spelling mistake- (mine? seriously?)

8.0 out of 10.

[-] 1 points by notresponsible42 (64) from Jacksonville, FL 13 years ago

I will take my B. Common spelling error. I am not embarrassed Mrs. Snodgrass.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3360) from New York, NY 13 years ago

One sentence: A FAIR ECONOMIC SYSTEM.

Here is what a fair economic system means:

Every worker should be guaranteed a job.

Every worker, who does the job they were hired to perform, should be wealthy. They should all get paid equally. The reason why they should all get paid equally is because they are all equally performing the job they were hired to do.

Everyone who works a difficult job, a job that requires greater physical or mental effort, should get paid $230,000 per year.

Everyone who works a job that is not difficult should get paid $115,000 per year.

The reason why incomes are paid out in those amounts is because that is what the incomes amount to when you allocate the country's total income equally among all workers and you want to pay difficult jobs twice as much as jobs that are not difficult.

If you do not do the job you were hired to perform because of incompetency or laziness, you should be fired.

If people do not buy the good or service you are working on, it should stop being produced and you should stop being paid. You should then be forced to find a new job working on something people are buying.

When you treat all workers equally, in this manner, you have a democratic economic system. Democracy is a Greek word that means people power. It means power rests with everyone equally. It means everyone is treated equally.

Capitalism is a system of inequality. It is the exact opposite of democracy. Democracy is a system of equality.

We should replace capitalism with democracy.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Paying people more for more difficult work? Firing incompetent employees and hiring competent ones? Selling goods and services that people want, and those who produce lousy or unwanted ones don't make any money?

WHERE CAN WE FIND SUCH A SYSTEM???? hint: capitalism?

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3360) from New York, NY 13 years ago

Unfortunately capitalism is missing one small element. hint: the one where you are guaranteed a job, guaranteed a $230k salary for the difficult jobs and guaranteed a $115k salary for the jobs that are not difficult.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

1 sentence please.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3360) from New York, NY 13 years ago

I did tell you what I want in 1 sentence:

One sentence: A FAIR ECONOMIC SYSTEM.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

but then you rambled on. Not part of the rules.

[-] 1 points by DemandTheGoodLifeDotCom (3360) from New York, NY 13 years ago

defining, not rambling

[-] 1 points by LobbyDemocracy (615) 13 years ago

We want our elected leaders to represent the people that elected them.

[-] 1 points by Arkitorture (13) from Dallas, TX 13 years ago

Abolish income taxes and put in place a National Sales Tax. This way the illegals, the wealthy and middle class all pay. So if you chose to not buy something you get to keep your money.

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 13 years ago

A society which provides sustainable abundance to all it's people in the most humane way possible.

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 13 years ago

who the fuck are you to place one's limit to an answer to 1 sentence? these protesters are writing a book you asshole and it's your problem if you don't want to read it.

simple minds want simple answers

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

You see, you never get anywhere with attacks. My post my rules, it really is not hard to understand. Some people get it, you do not.

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 13 years ago

nevertheless, simple minds want simple answers. now you can at least understand why you won't get many answers relative to the issues at hand. good luck, simpleton.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

It is not I who is the simpleton. Perhaps if you had a better understanding of how the world works you would understand the point of the post.

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 13 years ago

do go on and explain why you placed a rule of 1 sentence with your request

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

not yet

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

What is the attention span here? How long does it take for people to disengage from a conversation? You have to hit fast, make an impression and then move on. The people you want to reach, to join your movement, have no desire to hear rambling manifestos, they want an answer, fast. From that answer you may be able to expand, but you may also lose them if the answer is not concise. If a child asked you what you want, how would you reply> their attention span is short and with the busy lives that most lead, myself included, we want a quick answer. Our attention span is short as well.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 13 years ago

Get the money out of our political system and take back our democracy from the 1% that buys their representation by establishing publicly funded campaigns and elections.

[-] 1 points by JPHOENIX (124) 13 years ago

A government run by the people, for the people; rather than by the rich, for the rich.

[-] 1 points by jmcdarcy (158) 13 years ago

Recompense for the economic crimes committed by individuals and corporations in the financial sector and meaningful reform of economic regulation to insure that it does not happen again.

[-] 1 points by patriot4change (818) 13 years ago

Separation of State and Boardroom.

[-] 1 points by groobiecat2 (746) from Brattleboro, VT 13 years ago

A fairer system that doesn't bail out unaccountable idiots who melted down the economy and that doesn't place the interests of the few ahead of the interests of the many.

[-] 1 points by Markmad (323) 13 years ago

I want to pay my mortgage due November 1 can you help me?

[-] 1 points by noahtron (48) from Montreal, QC 13 years ago

i want the recognition of the fact that the problems faced by the world in the 21st century cannot be summed up in 1 sentence.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

recognition denied.

[-] 1 points by noahtron (48) from Montreal, QC 13 years ago

awww.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

bet you did not see that coming, eh? Now get me some beer and back bacon hoser.

[-] 1 points by noahtron (48) from Montreal, QC 13 years ago

i would, but i can't send it through the internet.

[-] 1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 13 years ago

To be the all-being, master of time, space and dimension.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

I'm sorry, this forum is for powers we can take from wall street, not god.

[-] 1 points by StarlifterFE (6) 13 years ago

A fair and equitable future for all of the human race.

[-] 1 points by annecurrey (30) 13 years ago

Not just banking cartels. It's ALL the super wealthy! All of them. Hollywood rich persons have NO business joining us since they are part of the problem. Obama has NO business pointing fingers at the rich since he is one of them! What? Do politicians think they will come out unscathed?

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

You went beyond 1 sentence.

[-] 1 points by LetThemEatCake2011 (43) 13 years ago

A government that is run by the people, for the people; rather than by the rich, for the rich.

[-] 1 points by osorio458 (2) 13 years ago

We need to come together and stop Banking cartels from looting our money example New York Bank of Mellon steals billions Of Dollar from pension funds they control one thing we could do to stop big five banks Like JP Morgan Chase Bank Of america CiTYbank CAPITOL ONE BEST ADVICE WITHDRAW YOUR MONEY FROM THE BANKS PLACE IN SMALL CREDIT UNIONS SMALL COMMMUNITY BANKS HTE ONE THE BEST WAYS TO PROTEST FROM THE BANKING CARTELS OR FINANCIAL TERRORIST George Osorio Queens NYC

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

I asked for 1 sentence, not a rambling statement. What do you want?

[-] 1 points by osorio458 (2) 13 years ago

We need to come together and stop Banking cartels from looting our money example New York Bank of Mellon steals billions Of Dollar from pension funds they control one thing we could do to stop big five banks Like JP Morgan Chase Bank Of america CiTYbank CAPITOL ONE BEST ADVICE WITHDRAW YOUR MONEY FROM THE BANKS PLACE IN SMALL CREDIT UNIONS SMALL COMMMUNITY BANKS HTE ONE THE BEST WAYS TO PROTEST FROM THE BANKING CARTELS OR FINANCIAL TERRORIST George Osorio Queens NYC

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

nice run on sentence. I was wondering when someone was going to do it.

[-] 1 points by Toddtjs (187) 13 years ago

Higher taxes on the 1%, money out of politics, banks lending again to small businesses, manufacturing to return by way of consumers only buying American.

[-] 1 points by Headiot (7) 13 years ago

The separation of Corporation and State.

[-] 1 points by Alldeesx3 (23) 13 years ago

Special interests groups, corporations and lobbyist's out of governments back pocket.

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 13 years ago

same here

[-] 1 points by kingearl (141) 13 years ago

make the playing field fair for all.

[-] 1 points by thoreau42 (595) 13 years ago

We want to win.

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

A more equitable economic system underpinned with more political space for average Americans, which requires the extricating of money from politics.

[-] 1 points by Bizinuez (120) from Raleigh, NC 13 years ago

I want us to grow. I want us in this nation to realize that there is a severe problem, just like an addict or alcoholic. I want to restore the voice of the American people. I want Glass-Steagal reinstated. I want Citizens United overturned. I want K Street lobbyists out of a job. I want an end to corporate welfare. I want elections to no longer be funded by corporate dollars. I want an end to $25k/plate dinners with the president. I want an end to derivatives that add nothing to our economy. I want there to be no more Collateralized Debt Obligations and Credit Default Swaps. I want those that think they are John Galt because they figured out a legal way to steal to be held accountable for their theft.

I guess I can't answer in one sentence. But you can use any one of them by themselves. Did that help?

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

no, it did not help.

[-] 1 points by Bizinuez (120) from Raleigh, NC 13 years ago

What if one person posted each of those individual sentences, would that have helped? What is it that you are looking for? Sorry, this is all more complicated than a bumper sticker. You might have to do some homework to understand. If you don't feel the need to do the homework, then there is no way for us to have a meaningful discussion.

[-] 1 points by Febs (824) from Plymouth Meeting, PA 13 years ago

Right now: to be 38 minutes in the future so I can go home. Broader: a government that limits itself to the protection of the rights of her people.

[-] 1 points by looselyhuman (3117) 13 years ago

Democracy.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

you do not want democracy-that is mob rule-majority rules. Consider the historical implications had we been a democracy.

[-] 2 points by looselyhuman (3117) 13 years ago

A functioning republic (an ostensible form of democracy, which protects minorities), that is remotely representative would be a start

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

I'll tell you what's a Mob Rule. Special interests and corporate lobbyists are Mobs ruling us today.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

Focus-what do you want. limit to 1 sentence.

[-] 1 points by Bizinuez (120) from Raleigh, NC 13 years ago

No.

[-] 1 points by anonrez (237) 13 years ago

this ^

[-] 0 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 13 years ago

ONE SENTENCE: END THE FED!

This isn't an attack on the rich. There is nothing wrong with being rich. There is a problem with being rich and stealing from the poor. There is a problem with few people controlling the wealth, and to that end there is a problem when those who control the wealth are not helping their country and society progress.

David Walker, former US Comptroller General and chief of the GAO, warned before the 2004 election that if large economic changes were not made, by 2009 the United States and its taxpayers would not be able to afford the interest payments on the national debt. A study authorized by the US Treasury in 2001 found that in order to keep servicing the debt at its current rate of growth, by 2013 income taxes would need to be raised to 65%.

If the United States cannot afford to pay the interest on its debts, that would be the final stage of economic collapse and hence result in a total textbook bankruptcy. The systematic crisis would in turn spread to the rest of the world.

How did this happen? Why is the US national debt $14,819,350,000+? Of the 203 countries in the world today, only four (!) do not owe others money. The collective external debt of all the governments in the world is now above 40 trillion dollars and this number doesn’t include the massive about of household debt in each country.

The whole world is basically bankrupt. But how? How can the world as a whole owe money to itself? Obviously, it’s all nonsense. There is no such thing as ‘money’. There are only planetary resources, human labor and human ingenuity. The monetary system regulated by Federal Reserve is nothing more than a game… and an outdated and dysfunctional one at that. Those in positions of social power alter the rules of the game, at will. The nature of those rules is guided by the same competitive, distorted mentalities that are used in everyday “monetary” life, only this time the game is rigged at its root to favor those who run the show. For example, if you have 1 million dollars and put it into a CD at 5% interest, you are going to generate $50,000 a year simply for that deposit. You are making money off of money itself… paper being made from other paper … nothing more - no invention - no contribution to society – no nothing.

That being denoted, if you are a lower to middle class person, who is limited in funds, and must get interest based loans to buy your home or use credit cards, then you are paying interest to the bank, which the bank is then using, in theory, to pay the person’s return with the 5% CD! Not only is this equation outrageously offensive due to the use of usury (interest) to ‘steal from the poor and give to the rich’, but it also perpetuates class stratification by its very design, keeping the lower classes poor, under the constant burden of debt, while keeping the upper classes rich, with the means to turn excess money into more money, with no labor.

That reality aside, there are other games in the system which have worked for decades, but are just now starting to bloom into the inevitable mathematic disasters that should have been anticipated 100 years ago. The point is, our system is broken. Simple policy change will not solve our debt problem. We need to alter the governmental paradigm if we wish to repay our debt. First step: our government must fire the Federal Reserve Board.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

oh so close, then you went and got wordy.

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 13 years ago

don't let words intimidate you. when you put them together they have significantly more meaning.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

the question was "what do you want"?, not "why do you want it"?

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 13 years ago

Some say real free-market economics is the best system, although we've never really seen what that looks like. The Federal Reserve squashed any hopes of a free-market economy. In my opinion the most innovative, necessary, and implementable solution is a resource based economy.

Project Earth: A Resource Based Economy Explained http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDhSgCsD_x8

If you love capitalism, but hate the Federal Reserve, ask yourself this: if the current market is a failure, how can you erase the world's debt? We in the US owe the world everything. Not only are we indebted to the world literally, but we, the leaders of the free world, have been leading the destruction of the environment for how long? Do we not owe it to the world to fix it? We have much of the world's resources, we have the greatest education system in the world, what are we doing wrong?!?! Why do we not take it upon ourselves to construct a sustainable global economy that is based on the natural resources of the planet and use this global economy the repay our debt to the world? I know people love to fantasize about the wealthy and powerful America, but listen, we're indebted to the world! Time to grow a pair and pay the world back. And I know, a resource based economy is “Communist” and “Utopian” STOP ASSIGNING MEAINGLESS WORDS TO IDEAS.

The system is a resource based economy, and it is neither communist nor utopian. This is an economic system which should not be confused with a political system.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

You are monologueing (not a real word, but it works)

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 13 years ago

I'm trying to articulate my perspective in an effective manor. Read my words, don't look at the paragraph. I answered your question and provided enough detail to answer any question you might have. Call it a monologue, I call it effective.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

I read, but then it all became a blur. There is a point to this and perhaps someone will catch on.

[-] 1 points by Poplicola (125) from Jersey City, NJ 13 years ago

Please watch the video. If you see there is a point, please try to understand it. I'm sorry if it's a lot of information, but it's very relevant information. If you find faults, argue them. If you can't, think about it....

[-] 0 points by fsi001 (0) 13 years ago

Not really. But you know protesting the rich and wall street won't get them anywhere with creating jobs. What they should be doing is protesting the high cost of gasoline. If you want to create jobs, lower the price of gasoline. That would put more money in everyones pocket; then people would be buying more products therefore creating more jobs. It's so simple, but no one sees it. This same thing happened in 2006-2007 when gas started going up. Everyone screamed about it, but now that gas is over $3.00 no one is complaining. These gas companies are making billions of dollars every quarter on the public. So protest the gas prices and get the gas back down to $1.00, that will create jobs everywhere and solve our economic crisis.

[-] 1 points by Gina (5) 13 years ago

I agree. There is no good legitimate reason for these gas prices. Definate corruption going on behind the scenes.And they are not creating jobs. I have not been able to get a job since 2009. I am at a temp agency right now and even they can not get me work. Something is really wrong behind the scenes with that too. Back in the 90s i had no problem getting jobs, the phone was ringing off the wall, phone company, post office, water company. This is the worst it has ever been for me in my life. It's these employers too. They should be hiring people like myself who have the gaps on the resume. Not people who already have jobs. We need to get people back to work.

[-] 0 points by fsi001 (0) 13 years ago

You know protesting the rich and wall street won't get them anywhere with creating jobs. What they should be doing is protesting the high cost of gasoline. If you want to create jobs, lower the price of gasoline. That would put more money in everyones pocket; then people would be buying more products therefore creating more jobs. It's so simple, but no one sees it. This same thing happened in 2006-2007 when gas started going up. Everyone screamed about it, but now that gas is over $3.00 no one is complaining. These gas companies are making billions of dollars every quarter on the public. So protest the gas prices and get the gas back down to $1.00, that will create jobs everywhere and solve our economic crisis.

[-] 0 points by AmadMozart (1) 13 years ago

I want you all to go home and find something useful to do with your lives.

[-] 0 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

So, you;re against the Declaration of Independence because it's not just one sentence? And, I think we can assume you're against the Constitution because it's even longer. What you're looking for is a bumper sticker, not political and economic change.

If what you want is a real answer, not some pithy sloganeering, Wall Street, not Washington, is the driving force in this country, and it's driving us in the wrong direction. Citizens United simply codified what has been happening for a long time. Until Wall Street and the 1% (and I would suggest the number is even smaller than 1%) are reigned in, there will be no true reform in this country.

Far too much has been privatized, and that has been to the detriment of the majority of this country. Take R&D, When taxes were much higher for the top (and there were more brackets), the government funded a lot more R&D. Now that much of R&D has been privatized, we've run into some real problems.

1) There is a bias, whether overt or subliminal, that leads to the results the company wants, not necessarily what is real.

2) R&D is often limited to what the company believes will be profitable in the short term. It tends to overlook what is truly new and revolutionary or may take more years to develop.

3) Private R&D doesn't have to publish or report any negative results. That means that other companies can and will go up the same blind alley. Not only does negatively affect productivity across an entire industry, it can be dangerous, as in the case with drug testing. Currently, if a drug results in negative side effects (up to and including death), the drug company doesn't have to report it if they decide not to market the drug. That means another company can independently come up with the same sort of idea, run the test on more humans, and there will be even more bad side effects or deaths. If the research is publicly funded, it is published.

4) Companies cut R&D in tough times, so when new ideas for new things that create new jobs are needed most, companies tend to do the very thing that would stop this from happening.

The mania for privatizing and lowering taxes for the wealthiest has hurt our businesses, our infrastructure, and the vast majority of our citizens. And, thanks to Citizens United, our elected representatives are well on their way to becoming wholly owned entities.

You do not get to try to force us to put this into one sentence, There's too much here to limit it.

[-] 1 points by Bizinuez (120) from Raleigh, NC 13 years ago

Yeah I don't care about this silly one sentence stuff, but this post rules.

[-] 1 points by chigrl (94) 13 years ago

I don't think the original poster said anything about the Declaration or the Constitution, so i'm not really sure where you pulled that from. The point is that no one has any idea what OWS actually wants. There are so many disparate and conflicting ideas it's impossible to tell what's going on. Attempting to put it into one sentence would be a great way to synthesize intelligent ideas instead of rambling on and on.

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 13 years ago

Actually, the OP didn't even mention the OWS, technically. The question was just "What do you want?", to be answered in one sentence. My answer was one (lengthy, well-punctuated) sentence, but even my answer made the assumption it was in the context of "for change in this country and/or world", which is also not mentioned. The question is very straight forward, though the restrictions almost ensure it cannot be answered in an adequately thorough manner.

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

He or she implies that, in order for the movement to work, it has to reduce what it wants to one sentence. Isn't that the challenge she or he put forth? And that is ridiculous. Real change does not result from bumper stickers.

[-] 1 points by chigrl (94) 13 years ago

It doesn't have to be a catchy phrase, but trying to simplify some of this stuff and figuring out a collective goal is probably a good idea.

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

But simplifying it into a sentence is a fool's task, This is not a 90-minute movie where some jingoistic chant will result in real change. Any movement that can be reduced into a single sentence is worthless. As you can see from the original poster's responses, he or she has no interest in helping the OWS people. She or he is actually very insulting about the movement. People like that should not get to drive the message. He or she is clearly just looking for ammunition to insult OWS.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

What part of one sentence don't you understand?

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

Which sentence? The part about reducing everything into a tidy bumper sticker? Have you ever seen any real change come about because of a bumper sticker?

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Yes we can! Change we can believe in! Obama '08! ...yep, bumper stickers don't change anything...

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

Since OWS is happening, it sure looks like things didn't change. Obama got elected, but the power lay elsewhere.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

No shit, that's all he IS, is bumper stickers.

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

So, your bumper sticker is "Wall Street rules!" Sorry that's not what most of us want.

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

I'm just getting shits & giggles from the fact that posters on this thread couldn't even follow the first request: One sentence. How about some simple clarity instead of rambling manifestos?

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

Why do you hate our founding fathers?

[-] 1 points by Freebird (158) 13 years ago

Where did you get me hating your founding fathers from? Or that I'm a fan of Wall Street. Assume much?

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

Well, you seem to believe that clarity can only be achieved by encapsulating everything down to a single sentence. You claim that is clarity. Our founders created several documents that far exceeded a single sentence. The Declaration of Independence, one of the most clear and concise documents ever produced to declare a revolution and outline what the revolutionaries wanted far exceed a single sentence.

You, sir, are clearly disrespectful of our founders and our nation.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

My post, my rules. it really is not that hard to fathom, is it? Your movement is nothing but soundbites and you cannot get all that in a sound bite.

[-] 2 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

Now you're not even making internal sense within your own post. If the movement is nothing but soundbites, then logically it is already reduced to a soundbite. This is even more ridiculous than your original challenge.

Sure, it is a free forum. But when you post nonsense, the rules of the forum state we can call you on your nonsense.

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

My reason is not nonsense as there is a purpose. I would not expect you to fully understand that purpose...yet.

[-] 1 points by Dea (42) from Bellbrook, OH 13 years ago

Ah, you reason is not nonsense, just your words as written here. Aren't you adorable.

[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 13 years ago

No, their forum, their rules.

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 13 years ago

Actually, the OP didn't even mention the OWS, technically. The question was just "What do you want?", to be answered in one sentence. My answer was one (lengthy, well-punctuated) sentence, but even my answer made the assumption it was in the context of "for change in this country and/or world", which is also not mentioned. The question is very straight forward, though the restrictions almost ensure it cannot be answered in an adequately thorough manner.

Oops, I guess I have to rescind that, given this later post. It is apparently directly related to the OWS, per the OP. Bummer - I was far more intrigued by the more open ended and useful version.

[-] 0 points by longlivecapitalism (0) 13 years ago

I want OWS whiners to go home and find a job. Disgusting, arrogant, entitled wanna-be-thieves with no sense of decency, and no basic knowledge of economics or history. Wealth is earned, assholes!! It took me years to get to where I am today - because I worked my ass off geting a college degree and a masters. OWS has no flippin' clue!!

[-] 1 points by Rob (881) 13 years ago

one sentence please.

[-] 1 points by karai2 (154) 13 years ago

I don't speak "hand of the market" very well but this is my translation of longlivecapitalism's comment: "I am the good and right and deserving person, others not so much"

[-] -2 points by boredperson (225) 13 years ago

I want the government to be abolished.