Forum Post: Can Anyone Name One Leaderless Movement That Has Succeeded?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 13, 2011, 7:32 p.m. EST by eric1
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Just asking. I think at some point there needs to be leadership in the movement both for morale as well as logistical reasons.
Internet
The internet has "leaders".....google is one
I agree with people who think that the movement needs a more definite direction. A single leader? No. A lot of the criticism sound a lot more like "this does not look like what I imagine a protest should and therefore is illegitimate". A leaderless group has already done more to shift what people are talking and thinking about than anything else in my life time. Focus on goals. Not leaders. And not candidates for office. Proposals and solutions, not people.
Crooked congressmen profiting from inside information is a leaderless movement that is succeeding:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388130n&tag=contentBody;storyMediaBox
I hate mysteries that I cant figure out. The structure is so alien ??? imho
Have you seen the TZ episode "the monsters are due on maple street" ?
do you know what a skinner box is ?
Why is OWS is supporting a CUNY "survey" about us?
Do you know how a gunea pig feels? are you sure?
If we dont get our act together - the party will be over.
No, you certainly need a leader who has the guts to lead and good brains to plan.
Yes, the democrat party three years ago. But wait, it didnt succeed.
A member of my site posted this question regarding leadership. "Why don't the Protesters on Wall Street have a Leader running for President? Someone who opposes violence and advocates for the Middle Class?"
without hundreds of millions of dollars to back them an OWS candidate would even be heard. The Corporations control the electorate.
we dont worship Jesus or Mohammed or Moses
we worship process and iphone and google
no one can deny OWS has been a great success in getting out the message, but - TO GET IT DONE - we need more
Leaderless is something that was a lot harder before social networking. We live in exciting times where we can try things that have never been tried before ever in human history.
I will be your leader.
As leader, the first thing I want you to do is tweet.
Corporations do not have tongues!!
Then sit back, and contemplate: I've seen little white haired old ladies at OWS GA meetings. Can you imagine?
White haired little old ladies . . .
tweeting . . .
Corporations do not have tongues!!
and the twitter trending tracking software . . .
then the trending now alert . . .
and someone, somewhere, spewing their coffee all over their key board . . .
and after contemplating very carefully, I want you to sit back,
take a breath,
and smile.
This one - it already has.
Labor unions, The American Civil Rights Movement, Women's Sufferage, The Vietnam Anti-War Movement, to name a few.
A few leaders emerged during the civil rights movement, but it started a century before that.
The civil rights had several leaders so that is false. The Vietnam Protests were not successful the war raged on for 15 years and ended when the government decided to end it it had nothing to do with the protesters. Labor Unions Always have a Leader and womens rights had many prominent Female activist at the core.
Leaders emerged during the civil rights movement, but it started a century before that.
The Vietnam war ended because of a leaderless civilian movement and because of a leaderless movement within the military that rendered the military unable to function. See the film "Sir, No, Sir!"
Labor unions started with leaderless general strikes called by workers. Labor unions later became representative systems with leaders.
Ok you just admitted these movements had leaders, and I promise you the Vietnam wars ending had nothing to do with the Protests. They ended the war because they saw how pointless it was. If there were no protesters in the streets it would have still ended at the same time. Do you really think the government cares about people holding signs in the street.If they did the war wouldn't have lasted for so long. The government dose what they want they dont care what you think or if you oppose
Your "promise"is not a valid, informative or convincing argument.
Can you name any leaderred movement that wasn't eventually co-opted, corrupted or became oppressive itself?
Women's Sufferage, The Vietnam Anti-War Movement
Yes, ELF.
Well, to the extent evolution is true, that would be one. But consider that it took an exceedingly long time.
Yes, the George Bush Administration (for getting re-elected).
I didn't name him in my article, but he is the guy that screwed things up royally. http://occupynews.blogspot.com/2011/11/swarm-banks-blog-asks-simple-but.html
I would have said Obama but the succeeded condition eliminates that one
I used to think that Bush was just responsible for our wars, but he was the guy in office that allowed wall street to take over home mortgages, a practice that had been the federal reserve's and the government's responsibility for the prior 70 years.
industrialization
That's ridiculous. Did they really write a law to protect child molesters in PA? http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Writing any law to protect child molesters can't be a law.
Defined as the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision.
The media propaganda tell all Americans that Paterno didn't violate the law that says report child molesters to your boss and not to law enforcement so the molester cah keep molesting. Can Americans be this stupid to not plainly understand that privileged Paterno is being protected from being charged for his crime that allowed Sandusky to keep molesting children. That is sick, it is sickening, and it proves the entire country is in a deep trance.
May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Muammar Qaddafi’s youngest son, Saif al-Arab, and three grandchildren were killed in an allied airstrike on Tripoli, the government said.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-01/qaddafi-s-son-three-grandchildren-killed-in-nato-strikes.html
After being placed on the FBI's Most Wanted list, bin Laden remained in hiding during three U.S. presidential administrations. On May 2, 2011, bin Laden was shot and killed inside a private residential compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, by U.S. Navy SEALs and CIA operatives in a covert operation ordered by United States President Barack Obama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
No one knows if he was really killed. There were pictures of Saddam's murdered sons and pictures of Khaddafi. Supposedly the Navy Seals took bin Laden to throw him over the side of ship but there are no pictures of bin Laden.
Obama got a huge political benefit from the story he told. Obama is a big liar and anybody who believes Obama on anything is a fool.
The pics of Osama were destroyed by WMDs.
Steve you have admitted that you are a convicted felon who spent 9 years in prison for extortion. Why are you looking for your next prey here?
Leaderless + voter registration = a political prize.
Leaderless + political demonstrations = political influence.
Leaderless + focuses to Wall Street crime and societal inequality = social influence.
(They stole $7-trillion. They are thieves. The inequality is government induced -- from giveaway actions from Reagan, the Federal Reserve, and Bush43.)
Leaderless + social media = Internet existence
Leaderless + one pressure point = Control of Occupy Wall Street by whoever controls the agendas for the NYCGA meetings and plants supporters strategically to support favored proposals.
(NYCGA is barely a democracy. There is nothing much here that looks like Athens. No citizenship qualifications. No voter list. No single-issue, prepared discussions. No secret votes. No ostracism for the truly arrogant.)
Leaderless + no training for outdoor survival = 30 hypothermia cases requiring medical intervention the first snow day.
Leaderless + no identification = the occupier/protesters getting hammered by violent criminals including one actual rape and a psychotic episode that produced multiple assaults.
Leaderless + no required medical checks = Exposure to infectious diseases: hepatitis, strep, pneumonia, et.al.
(Simple strep pyogenes is what killed Muppets founder Jim Henson, here at New York Hospital in 1990 after he delayed going for treatment. That case could have been replicated a couple dozen times over the way Zuccotti Park was being non-managed for health risks. "Come when you feel like it" fits anarchy, not minimally competent health management.)
Leaderless + little sense of play-well-with-others = next to no working day-to-day operational relationships with existing civil rights and pro-democracy organizations.
(No joint marches, except with labor unions. No voter registration. No organized/experienced training for non-violence. No filtering marchers to eliminated rightie provocateurs. No crowd management interface with NYPD.)
Leaderless + socially random = gone ???
(That's a future. A guess, because if you blow it then it stays blown.)
Leaderless + use Penn Station for winter quarters = Common sense
(Borrowing from George Washington who kinda went through this in the way-back machine. Nobody in the whole crew at Zuccotti thought about doing winter quarters. The lower level of Penn Station is what the NYC homeless use for their winter quarters. Couple hundred people sleep there every night. They're not especially smart/educated, but they're smarter than this OWS-in-Zuccotti crew.)
A leader is someone who looks which way the crowd is running, grabs a flag, runs to the front and yells, "follow me!"
Ya the Russia Revolution. You know the rise of Communism. Leaderless movements always end in Anarchy and Dictators alway rise from anarchy.
Define success
Mass mind; the Internet. Nature's Law requires no leadership.
Bullshit, in nature, the leaders are called survivors
Mass mind has no need of leaders or survivors.
Even a bowel movement needs a leader.
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