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Forum Post: CA is ridiculous.

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 7, 2011, 5:21 p.m. EST by unoccupywallstreet (81)
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California has messed up it's own economy for years, and how do they plan to fix it? Make the people paying far and away the most tax money already, pay even more.

Don't bother doing a better job with the massive amount of funds you already generate, just make the rich pay more. Hey, they're rich right? That automatically entitles people to get money from them. Give me a break.



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[-] 3 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 12 years ago

no, but when you observe the skewness in wealth in our country, it makes perfect sense to reevaluate who is extracting and what they're giving back. capitalism does not work if there is no reinvestment. funding special interest groups to stifle competition and exploiting lower standards of living in other systems (sending jobs overseas) is NOT reinvestment.

[-] -2 points by unoccupywallstreet (81) 12 years ago

True, but that's not what 100% of the rich are doing.

The gap is also increasing due to a greater lack of work ethic, more and more people having an unearned sense of entitlement, and the majority of people who's main goal it is to just get by and go the easy route. With the bar being set so low, the ones who do strive to accomplish things are vastly more successful.

[-] 1 points by opensociety4us (914) from Norwalk, CT 12 years ago

says who?

[-] 1 points by Frizzle (520) 12 years ago

There are more then enough people who are willing to work hard. But there simply are not enough jobs. And with more and more jobs getting replaced by automation, that problem is only going to increase. To blame it on the victims of this is out right inhumane.

[-] 0 points by unoccupywallstreet (81) 12 years ago

Victims? That's laughable. What high level jobs are getting replaced by automation? Dr. Robot? CEO cyborgs? No, it's the lower level jobs that are being replaced and that's where people are struggling to find work. It"s tough, and I'm in it myself, but you have to be able to adapt to the world around you, not complain for hand outs.

[-] 2 points by Frizzle (520) 12 years ago

CEO's don't produce anything. The world would manage just fine without CEO's. It's those 'lower level' jobs that actually put the food on your plate and the house you live in.

So those people worked their whole lives to produce the wealth we have today. And now that their jobs are getting replace they get a kick after and are being marginalized and even laughed at. It's disgusting.

And yes, i think that people that lose their homes and have trouble getting food are the victims yes. And i think the people who got wealthy over the back or the working class are the ones who truly have an unearned sense of entitlement.

[-] 0 points by socal63 (124) 12 years ago

To say that CEOs don't produce anything is extremely misleading and implies that they are not necessary.

You do not need to have a wrench in your hand to be productive. CEOs guide businesses by creating a mission and strategy. They make decisions on a large scale that effect the entire business, every employee and the long term health of that business.

Architects and engineers create a plan for others to carry out. Would you say that they don't produce anything?

[-] 1 points by Frizzle (520) 12 years ago

I wasn't saying anything about architects. Architects are a real profession. Same as doctors, scientists. Sure they don't produce something directly. But they provide a service. Not so for CEO's. They are hugely over rated, get way over payed while often causing more problems then they solve.

So yes, i stick to my statement that it is the real workers that produce the wealth. While others that basically do nothing useful are taking it from them.

[-] 1 points by socal63 (124) 12 years ago

I truly don't want to condescend, but you are very naive. I could understand an argument about morals, ethics or equality, but to say that CEOs do "nothing useful" is just horribly inaccurate. The larger a company is, the more need there is for a single voice, vision and direction. I work in a extremely large organization. Everyone that I know there takes direction from a superior. That is true with executive management. Take a lumberyard for example. Start with the line staff and work your way up. Where do the business decisions come from? The forklift operators? The salespeople? The shipping clerks? It ends with one person...CEO.

[-] 1 points by Frizzle (520) 12 years ago

Don't worry, i don't mind how people think about me. And i am not surprised you think of me as naive.

And ofcourse they do something. But the point was really that their jobs are greatly overrated. Most companies would not even miss them if they would stop doing anything for a significant time. On the other hand, if the actual workforce stopped working for the same amount of time the company would not produce anything.

[-] 1 points by simplesimon (121) 12 years ago

Hey, we'll see you in VEGAS BABY! At least the fruitcakes there know they are.

[-] 2 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

Wow. You are indoctrinate. Why not look a FACTS, and see how the rich have NOT been paying taxes like the should, at the expense of the middle class and the COUNTRY. Kids, THIS is what $50 million in Koch Brothers political meddling buys you, an absolutely ignorant, numerically-challenged electorate.

[-] -1 points by unoccupywallstreet (81) 12 years ago

Show me the FACTS then.

"The rich" is a very general term. Are all rich people inherently corrupt and evil? You seem to think so. Yet you have no facts for this. I'm sure some are, but the majority? Probably not. Yet when people talk about forcing the rich to pay more, they mean all rich people.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

You need to find facts yourself. For you to be so clueless, you have to willingly avoid facts. It HAS to be a pattern with you. Which leads me to believe if it were spelled out for you, you would just answer, as you always do, that you "don't see it, don't get it, don't see the point." Sometimes the truth must dazzle gradually, lest you become blind. GO LOOK YOURSELF.

I will post this for others though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5CCRI1vdwE "How Reaganomics Destroyed The Middle Class...And Maybe America"

[-] -1 points by unoccupywallstreet (81) 12 years ago

You have the facts, but I need to find them? Haha. What an interesting way to argue.

The clip from super liberal Rachel Maddow's show did not prove your point at all. It just showed that back in the 80's, rich people got a tax cut. Rich people got to keep more of the money they earned, and poor people got less handouts. How did this affect the middle class, who doesn't rely on or even get government aid? It didn't.

At any rate, the Reagan tax cuts are no longer in effect, so this clip lends no aide to your argument. The rich still pay far and away the most in taxes. But I guess that's not enough for you.

[-] 2 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

What have you done since I posted to find facts for yourself?

[-] 0 points by unoccupywallstreet (81) 12 years ago

Nothing. I don't have to prove that rich people aren't paying their share of taxes, because I don't think that they aren't. You would be a shitty lawyer. "I don't have to give you the facts about how the defendant committed the murder you're honor. It's up to the defense to prove they didn't do it."

[-] 2 points by SLNoel (36) from Vancouver, BC 12 years ago

Here's an infographic that'll help you...


They may numerically be paying more in taxes than the poor person, but far less proportionate to their total income.

You're also forgetting about the Bush tax cuts, which are still in effect, and tax loopholes, which the above companies (and many more I'm sure) are abusing.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

Can't wait for the unoccupywallstreet troll to come back and say the infographic means nothing, and we need to revere these corporations, not make them pay taxes.

[-] 0 points by SLNoel (36) from Vancouver, BC 12 years ago

You should have provided him with the requested information beforehand. It would have strengthened your position.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

No, he is too reactionary to absorb facts. He needs to be encouraged to think for himself and seek the truth himself.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

I am willing to bet you don't believe in evolution or equal rights either.

[-] -1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 12 years ago

Okay, what ya wanna bet?

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

Go log back in under your other name first.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 12 years ago

Other name? I've always been MVSN.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 12 years ago

The bet is not for you then.

[-] 1 points by stuartchase (861) 12 years ago

Yeah, California is fucked up. They have this company in their backyard screwing America into the ground and they do nothing.


The Revolution starts here!

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 12 years ago

CA decided a long time ago that they did not want to be part of the United States.

Not to mention that CA residents could be prone to getting their homes hit with cannon balls. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/12/apologetic-mythbusters-talk-about-cannonball-accident-.html

[-] -1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 12 years ago

Sounds like Obamas plan also. This state is a liberal paradise and seed bed of moder day "progressive" thought. And yep, it's a mess. Massive bureauacracy, over regulation of everything. Prison inmates get better medical care than most free citizens an no that is not an exaggeration.illegal immigrants get free medical care and education. There is at this time a bill pending in the legislature to protect working illegals from being deported. So the deficit just gets bigger, our credit rating is junk. Yep, a liberal paradise.