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Forum Post: By supporting Gingrich and Obama America supports a new war with Iran No one really opposes war anymore

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 24, 2012, 12:25 a.m. EST by owsinlove (83)
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[-] 3 points by theshadowranger (20) 12 years ago

Ron Paul opposes war with Iran.

[-] 0 points by owsinlove (83) 12 years ago

Ron Paul will not be in the election in November

[-] 1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 12 years ago

And more's the pity

[+] -6 points by shadz66 (19985) 12 years ago

For PCR on RP, see : http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ & scroll down a little !

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Whay kind of nonsense is this? Who here supports Gingrich and Obama?

[-] 1 points by Spade2 (478) 12 years ago

This is the most peaceful time in human history, how can you say no one opposes war?

[-] 1 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 12 years ago

Weird that the Republican and Democratic wings of the corporate party would have the same agenda. I like how were likely going to give a BP a waiver so the embargo doesn't stop a project of theirs. Throw away thousands of lives, but don't cross your lobbyist.

[-] 0 points by owsinlove (83) 12 years ago

"It's like nobody really gives a damn, OWS hasn't been effective in a large way, there seems to be power in large Internet collaberations like fighting SOPA, but I have a feeling things anything the powers to be want to do, will wait until the politics or timing is right.

[-] 1 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 12 years ago

I recently saw a nice speech an TED. The speaker referred to Thoreau's quote, "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." SOPA was a branch. War with Iran is a branch. Money's influence on our politicians is the root. I think it is imperative that we get politicians into office that answer to the people rather than corporations.

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 12 years ago

That's cause people can't see things as they really are anymore our senses have been dulled down.

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 12 years ago

Au Contraire. Can you say Dr. Paul?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

Repelicans are DONE!

[-] 1 points by freakyfriday (179) 12 years ago

Are you channeling ZenDog?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

It's a kind'a catchy phrase . . . well maybe not, but I like it anyway.

[-] 0 points by headlesscross (67) 12 years ago

ZenDog is a Leftist hack who is surviving on a lame expression:


This is all that he can claim. Repeating it just means you can't come up with your own lame expression.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

What I can't understand is why people with nothing in common with this movement waste their time here.

[-] 0 points by headlesscross (67) 12 years ago

There'in lies the problem,you can't understand.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

What the heck was that, a 7 word soundbite? You might try to use enough words at one time to make a coherent comment.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 12 years ago

The protest is called "Occupy" for a reason. It uses direct action to claim public spaces, create general strikes, etc... If done correctly, these actions have the potential to impact everyone in America.

Some people agree that a revolution is needed and want the tension between Occupy and the government to rise, some people want change, but would like the government to be fixed from within as they do not feel a revolution is necessary, and some people like it the way things are.

The reason there are people on this site from all walks of life, some that support Occupy fully, some partly, and some none at all, is because Occupy could affect us all.

OWS has nothing in common with Wall Street, yet there they are near Wall Street. It's the same thing.


[-] -1 points by wallstreetbosses (-7) 12 years ago

we should invade Iran, with carpet bombing and massive overwhelming force. lets get the military industrial complex going again, am I right!

[+] -5 points by shadz66 (19985) 12 years ago

No, you're talking outta yer (x) - Bankster Scum !!! Stick to pillaging The U$A !! And have your passport on you at all times because you never know when you're going have to GTFO !

radix malorum est cupiditas ...

[+] -6 points by shadz66 (19985) 12 years ago

This is a rather frightening 'forum-post' Title and one earnestly hopes and prays that the single word post "PEACE" will somhow come to pass !!

Thus re. Iran to follow please find some hard facts may bring some 'Light' to matters, rather than all the unpleasant 'Heat' being generated by the constant fear and loathing :

a) Iran has The World's 3rd Largest known 'Total' & 2nd Largest 'Liquid' Oil Reserves : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iran ,

b) Iran has The World's 2nd Largest known Gas Reserves : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_reserves_in_Iran

c) Further consider and cogitate upon the fact that in Feb. 2008, Iran opened a Hydro-Carbon Bourse at The Kish Mercantile Exchange (see http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11613.htm and also http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28646.htm ) - trading in a basket of currencies, including Euros, Roubles, Yuan and Iranian Rial BUT NOT in U$ Dollar$ and thereby challenging both Reserve Currency, Dollar "HegeMoney" as well as the Monopoly of the existing Oil and Petroleum Bourses.

d) The Iranian Central Bank is State Controlled & Entirely Government Owned and NOT Privately Owned [ http://blogs.wsj.com/corruption-currents/2011/12/15/senate-passes-sanctions-on-irans-central-bank/?mod=google_news_blog & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran ] . Thus do 'a-d' here actually constitute the Real "Casus Belli" ?!

e) The same NeoCon, Neo-Colonial, Paleo-Imperial WARMONGERS who beat the drums for The Unconscionable, Illegal & Immoral WAR on Iraq (where The Only "WMD" = Words of Mass Deception !!) are now beating the Drums of War and this time Iran is in the Imperial crosshairs. Pls. Research PNAC (eg http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC etc.)


.+ See the film, "WHY WE FIGHT ; What are the forces that shape and propel American militarism ?" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8494.htm .

@merica : Nosce Te Ipsum ...

[-] 1 points by owsinlove (83) 12 years ago

For some reasons we would rather drink poison from the Middle East then trying to be Energy Independent :) Check out your info.

[+] -6 points by shadz66 (19985) 12 years ago

Further to the above, please read, calmly consider and cogitate upon the following 10 Articles :

a) "USrael and Iran", by William Blum ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29880.htm ,

b) "The Worst Case For War with Iran", by Stephen M. Walt ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30052.htm ,

c) "From Occupation to “Occupy : The Israelification of American Domestic Security", by Max Blumenthal ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29892.htm ,

d) "George Orwell on the Evil Iranian Menace", by Glenn Greenwald ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29890.htm ,

e) "War On Iran Has Already Begun. Act Before It Threatens All Of Us", by Seamus Milne of The UK Guardian ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29917.htm ,

f.) "Mossad chief : Nuclear Iran not Necessarily Existential Threat to Israel", by Barak Ravid ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30101.htm ,

g) "Romney Takes Swipe at Ron Paul on Iran Nuke Policy", by Emily Friedman ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30092.htm ,

h) "U.S., Israel Discuss Triggers for Bombing Iran’s Nuclear Infrastructure", by Eli Lake ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30098.htm ,

i.) "Iran, Another False Enemy", by Stephen Merrill ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30111.htm &

j.) "Obama Seeks to Distance U.S. from Israeli Attack", by Gareth Porter ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30158.htm#idc-cover .

As Well as the above, please also see http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ for any number of more recent articles on this matter.

fiat lux ...

[+] -6 points by shadz66 (19985) 12 years ago

Finally towards a rational discourse about Iran, please also consider watching the following 5 Videos :

a) "Iran is Not the Problem" ; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5708329875314599685 ,

b) "Inside Iran : Rick Steves' Travel Journal, The Most fascinating and surprising land I've ever visited." ; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30062.htm & for insights re. 'Iran and Jews' please see :

c) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA7yz2vciGk +

d) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-r04SQ97_Q &

e) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngttxIzXRsE !!!

fiat pax ...