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Forum Post: burning the flag

Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 31, 2012, 5:45 p.m. EST by jbob (74)
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if i were anyone of you guys that supports OWS i would stop right now if you really want the best for this country. you fuckers really are the biggest peices of shit. you cant get a job your fuckin problem, not our countries responsibility to give you one. you are so ungrateful for living in this great country. if you tried doing that in a different country you would get killed.



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[-] 3 points by Brandon37 (372) 12 years ago

Those who burned it will forever have to watch their back and cover their faces. No one buys "it was burned because we love America" bullshit.

Have fun spending your life in hiding.

[-] 3 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

How is that freedom working for ya?


Panetta: Decision to Kill Americans Suspected of Terrorism Is Obama's

Note it says suspected even.

Talk bad about your country? Off with your head, no trial for you.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 12 years ago

if jobless people were allowed to die,

no one would be jobless

[-] 2 points by Misfit138 (172) 12 years ago

The flag represents the people and the Constitution, not the government. People that burn the flag are ignorant and insulting. They think they are making a hip statement against the government, but in fact they are slapping the face of everyone who believes in this nation and wants her to thrive. Burning the flag is the antithesis to those who want to bring America up and is a statement made by those who want to tear her down. It is an assault against all of the citizens who strive to build a more perfect union and is an affront to our very values. While some may think they are making a statement against the government, they are actually making a statement against the very people they claim to be "fighting" for.

[-] 2 points by jbob (74) 12 years ago

well i thought you guys were going to say something along the lines of "there are just a few bad apples in the group" or "we dont believe in what they did and we dont support that" but you guys tried your best to justify those peoples actions. it only reinforces that you guys are really pieces of shit.

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

That is the right of every person...freedom of speech.. Are you angry because they burned the flag or because no one agrees with you? If the flag is not representing a nation that is protecting and caring for its people, then what is more important...burning the flag or supporting the very people who are not adhering to what it represents? Ain't reality a bitch??

[-] 2 points by jbob (74) 12 years ago

nice touch at the end "bitch". and more people or intelligent people i should say agree with what i believe. you are just ungrateful to be living in the greatest country. and you dont know it and if you do you dont show it. how many people died so you could run around and do your little protests? how many people died so you can say the things you want to say without getting killed? the flag represents the nation as a whole. it connects all the people in the country together. burning the flag is basically saying fuck you to everyone in the country and all the people that died for our country. why are you justifying the burning of a flag?

what does burning the flag show other than anti Americanism?

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Why are you misconstruing my words? Where did I justify burning the flag? Look buddy, there are flags on this planet that would never, ever be desecrated. Perhaps people are trying to tell you something about this country that you refuse to face! The people who die are not dying for this country, they are dying to protect the rights of those who are running the country...so if they understand that, why don't you? As far as I'm concerned, human lives are more important than a flag...but given that hypocrisy hides behind a flag.here....let the people fight.hypocrisy in peace!

[-] 2 points by jbob (74) 12 years ago

how am i misconstruing "That is the right of every person...freedom of speech.."? sounds like an attempt at justification.

[-] -1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Freedom of speech...this is what you are reading...here and now...

Burn baby burn...is what was done to the flag!!! Don't try to burden me down with a lot of hyperbole....

I can see through all crocks of manure...and yours is very obvious!!

[-] 2 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

That Flag is not the country, it is not freedom, it is not democracy, it represents those things, and it is being burned as a protest exactly because it no longer represents those things.

Oh, and I already have a job, thank you very much.

[-] 1 points by jbm58 (65) 12 years ago

The Flag is a reverend symbol to the folks that have lost sons and fathers, brother and sisters, and friends that have died defending this country. Out of respect for them you should not burn a US Flag. There should not be a law against Flag burning, but out of respect you should find another way to protest.

[-] 1 points by nucleus (3291) 12 years ago

XaiverBuchsIV has a name for assholes like you: armchair patriots.

How the fuck would you know what a flag means to someone else? My neighbor's kid was killed in Iraq within days of deployment. The marine officer who came to his funeral to praise his bravery was soundly told off by kids' parents. They didn't want or take the honorary flag.

[-] 0 points by jbm58 (65) 12 years ago

Suppose you were a Washington football fan and your good friend next door was Native American. Would you hang the Redskin flag out in your front yard even though you knew that your friend was offended by it? A little compassion for our fellow man would go a long way to solve many of our problems.

[-] 1 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

Actually that Flag, upon closer inspection, is not Old Glory. It has Gold Fringes around it.

The Gold Fringed Flag or Admiralty Flag

The Admiralty flag is in every court house in the US. But they are federal enclaves and do not represent US law. Entering in to such a court is entering in to a foreign jurisdiction where they trick you in to becoming subordinate to their jurisdiction.

They are burning the Admiralty flag and in so doing, saying they disagree with being subjugated

[-] 1 points by jbm58 (65) 12 years ago

Don't intentionally hurt people just to make a point. A mother that just lost her son to a Taliban IED cannot see through her tears the textilary variants that you find so important. She just see the stars and stripes, and is pained further at the sight of the desecrated symbol for which her boy gave his life.

[-] 4 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 12 years ago

Thank you. That was beautiful. It is painful to imagine how that might feel.

I fully support the right of people to burn flags. I just have trouble comprehending why that would be more important to someone than creating or keeping the goodwill of people who view the flag differently.

[-] 2 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

I served in the military, and in fact during Desert Storm when we first invaded Kuwait.

If I knew then, what I know now, I would have never enlisted, because it was not to protect our freedoms but to protect the elite business interests. Not WMD's as was alleged in the beginning.

And were still doing the same dam things in other countries for these maggots.

How is that freedom working for you where we have more incarcerated then any other country on the earth, have literally turned into a police state with NDA, Patriot Act etc, and like Hitler, are invading country after country.

What is there to be proud of in this country where a few elite at the top reap the spoils of war after war, because it sure it hell is not for defending the country nor for freedom.

They are offensive wars

[-] 2 points by LetsGetReal (1420) from Grants, NM 12 years ago

I am not proud of the current state of this country. That's not what the flag represents to me. It represents the values of freedom, democracy, and due process in the constitution. The current state of the country is a perversion of those values. I won't stop honoring those values just because too many in our government have.

[-] 2 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

Well said. Neither will I, in-spite of our government. I don't condone flag burning, but understand their reasoning's. At the same time, it does not serve Occupy well, and the Media was right there to shine a light on it.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

I am glad you are back and have served as have many others. Yet, many men and women have done the same and still love this country. The elitist will not remain that way...but who will take on the protection of those who are trying to do the right thing in this land? It is not the elite who need you, it is those of us who believe we have a right to freedom from tyranny right on these shores, so don't give up on us!

[-] 3 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

I do believe in protecting my country and our freedoms for all American's which is why I am here involved in discussion and support movements that will repeal the Patriot Act and get the corruption out of our government for all people.

[-] 1 points by jbm58 (65) 12 years ago

How does hurting the loved one of your fallen brother help cure the ills that so deeply trouble you?

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 12 years ago

You lie. Desert storm had everything to do with Saddam invading Kuwait and had absolutely nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction.

[-] 2 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

And why was Saddam invading Kuwait? Because Kuwait (Our allies, Just like Good Old Saddam used to be) was slant drilling into Iraqi Territory.

April Glaspie, the ambassador was questioned by Saddam if we would get involved if he took care of matters with Kuwait, and we said, it is not our dispute to deal with.

How did that turn out?

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 12 years ago

Exactly. And who was running the Kuwaiti oil rigs? American oil companies ...

[-] 2 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

You got it!

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

These people don't give a shit about the military. Most of them probably think they are all war criminals.

[-] 2 points by impalero (49) 12 years ago

Being former military, many have thanked me for standing up to what I thought was an honorable thing to do at the time. It still is never to late to stand up for the country even now, which is what I am doing.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Keep talking...

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Have you served? Don't be so quick to judge! Many of us have military members in our families, lots of us have served, and some are still serving. I honor our military men and women, but that doesn't mean I have to believe in war...it is not my call. So get off their backs!! They have enough to deal with back here without ingrates pointing fingers at them..Why don't you go? Volunteer...no one is stopping you!!

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Yes I served in the Marine corps. Go burn a flag.

[-] 1 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Why would I want to do that? There are other ways to "fight the power". Learn the laws and use them. Isn't this how this country got turned around in the first place...laws made yet the majority of people do not bother to learn them, understand their significance, nor do they know how to utilize these laws to put this system in order. The Flag doesn't bother me...it is inanimate. It's the people hiding behind it that is the true problem on these shores.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 12 years ago

Keep talking.....

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

It depends on what country....In some countries (Canada, Belgium, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom) it is considered free speech since it demonstrates that individuals are against the policies of the government. It is unconstitutional for anyone to prohibit it here in the United States, but I wouldn't do it. Now, what I really detest is cussing on a public forum, that desecrates my senses and sensibilities!!

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

We stand behind the American Flag. We support genuine American Values. We stand behind the American Constitution. We are commited to upholding American Rights.

What do you stand for?

[-] 2 points by jbob (74) 12 years ago

then why burn it? or why justify the people that burn it?

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 12 years ago

I don't justify or support those few people (out of THOUSANDS who protested that day) who decided to take that action. You're trying to stop me from expressing my 1st Amendment rights because of something that someone else did, and that's not right.

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8708) 12 years ago

We DO NOT burn it, and We DO NOT justify anyone who burns it. Please understand that! And furthermore, please understand this:

  1. This movement cannot control everyone within it, just as society itself cannot control everyone within it.

  2. The very democratic bottom-up, rather than top-down, nature of this movement makes it very easy for outsiders to engage in actions that discredit the movement. Moreover, this is a genuinly grass-roots movement, the likes of which Americans have not seen in living memory, and that makes these things difficult to understand.

  3. Thirdly, the inspiration of this movement is Thomas Jefferson. If you want to understand this movement, than get out the works of Jefferson and read them closely. Also, learn the historical period of the enlightenment, including the works of the "romanic" period, a formative era in Western History.

P.S. I responded to this post, in the hopes that you aren't just a troll, but I believe that you are just a troll, and that your fake semi-illiteracy is just a ploy to appeal to suffering and disadvantaged White Southerners, who falsly believe that it is liberal intellectuals that are their enemy, rather than the 1/100th of the 1% that are all of our enemies.



[-] -1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 12 years ago

People complaining about living in a country that probably has the richest, if not very close to the "richest" people in the world. Ever see how an "out of work", single mother dresses, how she eats, how much she smokes and drinks, etc. Those poor, impovershed souls live better than many of us 40 hour/week Joes.

[-] 3 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Now it's my turn to cuss...Bull sheister!!

Generally speaking...you sound like a gossip rag sitting on the shelf at your local grocery store!

[-] -1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 12 years ago

Very factual response. Typical OWS "debate."

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

I am not a typical OW, although I support the cause... I have done my marching, boycotting, sit ins, sit outs and take overs. I have done my writings, and petitions, and sing ins and bust outs. I have talked to the man, put the man down and treated police and politicians like clowns...I have fought in court and out, and realize I truly know what this nation is about, so I am here to support those whose intentions are one in the same..to save humanity from greed, hatred and continued ruin in this governmental GAME!!

And one thing I know for sure....this movement is only the beginning of the end and it is not the only cure!

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 12 years ago

That's a generalization with no fact to back it up. How about showing some real research on how the really poor in this country live?

We're no Sierra Leone, but too many people in this country are still going without food and shelter. That's not the world that I want to live in.

[-] -1 points by Libertarianliving (149) 12 years ago

Many of those poor impverished people have the guy they screwed to gain financial security for 18 years through domestic relations, but many don't, and I don't see them with half empty shopping carts.

[-] 2 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Now you sound like someone who has been "punked"!!

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 12 years ago

Don't be such a crabby ass jbob. Look into things a bit before you go pissing your pants. This movements idea to get money out of politics, and the bribery and all is a really good thing.

[-] 1 points by jbob (74) 12 years ago

so you support them burning the flag? how is that going to get money out of politics.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 12 years ago

No I don't support it. If some dumb ass wants to burn the flag it's their disgrace, not mine.

[-] 1 points by jbob (74) 12 years ago

but they are disgracing your country that thousands of people died for. you should take some pride in your country.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 12 years ago

I do. If some creep burns our flag it's his disgrace.

[+] -4 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Actually I've been waiting for someone to kill me for posting

[-] 0 points by Neuwurldodr (744) 12 years ago

Very thought provoking!

[+] -7 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

It isn't the poem so much as the editorialization on the left.

but whatever