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Forum Post: Breaking News: Ohio voters reject Republican-backed union limits

Posted 8 years ago on Nov. 9, 2011, 12:41 a.m. EST by HitGirl (2263)
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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The state's new collective bargaining law was defeated Tuesday after an expensive union-backed campaign that pitted firefighters, police officers and teachers against the Republican establishment.

For more see the story...

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-voters-reject-republican-backed-union-limits-021951331.html

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[-] 4 points by GlobalSucks (87) 8 years ago

It sounds like the people are starting to wake up and realize who protects the workers’ rights and who openly tries to destroy workers’ rights

After a while anybody can see it's not as much about destroying the unions, as it is about making American workers competitive with third world countries and subservient to the wealthy

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

it's about owning the means of production

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Absolutely!

[-] 1 points by GlobalSucks (87) 8 years ago

Thanks for reporting the good news. Maybe people are starting to wake up and realize that there is no other entity in America that truly represents the workers

The workers or citizens like OWS or any other organization that stands together with one voice scare the crap out of the control freaks of this country.

They don't want people to stand together and disrupt their manipulation and control

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

I like your name. It's very patriotic.

[-] 3 points by Eric418hill (8) 8 years ago

The Republicans are working hard to bring back slavery - any defeat is boon for humanity

[-] 1 points by jart (1186) from New York, NY 8 years ago

lollol i troll you

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Love you, Eric418hill!

[-] 1 points by RufusJFisk52 (259) 8 years ago

so no one agrees their is a big difference between public unions and private ones? Public unions hold TAXPAYERS at bay...private only holds the company they work for at bay. When you choose to work for the govt, you become the govt in a sense.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

And the government is We the People, or should be.

[-] 1 points by BrainC (400) from Austin, TX 8 years ago

Labor and business interests poured more than $30 million into the nationally watched campaign, and turnout was high for an off-year election.

Does this sound like getting the money out of politics?

Sounds like the unions BOUGHT the election, doesn't it?

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

If elections could be bought, California would have a Republican governor. Don't think the 1% didn't spend some of their gazillion dollars.

[-] 0 points by Hitgirl (3) 8 years ago

Troll alert. Please stop this freak! Imposter!

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 8 years ago

Hi Hitgirl, Another good post. Very important news. We are making progress. AFLCIO entering fight with full force, and I welcome them. Lets win this thing. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Hi Nevada. Thanks for all that you do. And thanks for the positive comments :)

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 8 years ago

Hi HitGirl, Glad to be here making friends. Could you please check on post: 650,000 Americans Pulled Their Money......., by spankysmojo. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

How do I locate a post without a link? Sorry to be lame.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 8 years ago

I just posted to bring it near top.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8702) 8 years ago

One step in the right direction, thanks HitGirl!

[-] 1 points by RightsOfMan (45) from Brownsville, TX 8 years ago

I consider myself to be from Columbus, and therefore Ohio, even though I don't live there any more. Good Jobs Buckeyes!

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Woot!

[-] 1 points by gestopomilly (497) 8 years ago

i am sooo glad the people spoke up.

[-] 0 points by Spankysmojo (849) 8 years ago

Lets all make sure that the NYPD sees that. Then, maybe they'll know we're on the same side instead of macing and arresting OWS protesters.

[-] 0 points by foreverleft (233) 8 years ago

Government employees negotiating with government employees, what could go wrong??

[-] 0 points by newearthorder (295) 8 years ago

This is a clear victory for the people. We need to make sure people understand what this means.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

I assure you there are certain Republicans that are pulling their hair out right now...and a couple of Koch brothers.

[-] 0 points by newearthorder (295) 8 years ago

I know,..Ohio is 'Kick Ass'...right?

I'm sure they are gathered together in some semi-lit bazillion dollar library of a bazillionaire plotting their next move to turn us all into robotniks.

These are complicated times. We need to learn and teach,..and then learn some more. People need to know the truth of how this economy works, and why it doesn't. Most people are clueless.

Many times sheep will listen to their shepherd even more than simple logic. The shepherd will say: "Who are you going to believe,..me or your own lying eyes?"

I'm a certified mediator. Read the book: 'Getting to Yes'. The people will never reach a consensus until all of the people look at the facts pragmatically, and that will be a monumental task.

Everyone there should debate, and debate, until the truth is obvious, then the way the answer is clear, the words will break through, and will ring and ring.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

"The people will never reach a consensus until all of the people look at the facts pragmatically, and that will be a monumental task"...It is much easier for them to veg-out in front of their favorite "talking head," sip their beer, and get all worked-up over illegal immigrants or people drawing welfare.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

By the way. Right to work states are kicking the asses of union states in just about ever aspect. It's a sad day for Ohio. This means more southern migration.

[-] 0 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

This was rejected in large party by massive lobbying and campaign spending by unions, something that the OWS should be fully against.

[-] 1 points by Oneofmany (85) 8 years ago

It was also supported by it... minus the union part.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Hello. This was rejected by the voters, jerkweed!

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

After a long, expensive campaign by the unions to influence the voters...

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Like the 1% wasn't spending any money. They have ALL THE MONEY, jerkweed!

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 8 years ago

Oh I'm sure money was spent on both sides. I just think OWS celebrating this is like the pot calling the kettle black. It is also ironic that OWS is celebrating what will likely lead to the layoffs of thousands of middle class Ohio workers.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

You're just upset because We the People pushed back against the Republican agenda to destroy the middle class.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago
[-] -1 points by mediaauditr (-88) 8 years ago

Actually, it was a form of the democratic party that instituted slavery. Hitler's party was more democratic than republican. Pro Labor, anti-gun, that's how Hitler rose so quickly in power.

[-] -1 points by Frankie (733) 8 years ago

Cool. I would have put my money on CA to go bankrupt first but now OH has made it a horse race.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

You're just upset because We the People pushed back against the Republican agenda to destroy the middle class. Poor Frankie...

[-] 0 points by Frankie (733) 8 years ago

Uh no. I'm not a Republican. I probably would have supported Issue 2 also the way that it was framed. Unfortunately, they cast it as a union battle around principle instead of focusing on underlying economic issues. Which are all still there with even less ability to deal with them now.

Be careful what you wish for...

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

The underlying economic issues can be dealt with by taxing the 1% that has made out like f*cking bandits over the last 30 years!

[-] 0 points by Frankie (733) 8 years ago

Sorry, wrong jurisdiction for the 1% stuff. OH is a state not the Federal government. Increasing Federal income tax doesn't help them much if at all. They've already lost a ton of jobs because of their high tax rates as it is. They'll likely have to raise them even more which means no new employers bringing in new jobs.

[-] 0 points by Laffingrass (9) 8 years ago

What a dip shit, open your eyes.

[-] 0 points by Frankie (733) 8 years ago

You're the one who needs to open their eyes. They're broke with no real growth and a limited tax base. Where's the money coming from? Answer - It's not.

[-] 1 points by Laffingrass (9) 8 years ago

I'm pretty sure we are in agreement.

[-] 0 points by mediaauditr (-88) 8 years ago

HA. Righty-O Frankie. You said a mouthful there! Why can't pro-labor democrats look across the Atlantic and see what's happening to Greece right now. Their country has failed. Financial collapse is eminent because of the generations of pro-labor policy.

[-] -1 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

Meanwhile, more states consider becoming right to work.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Link us to the story.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

There is no one story. More states are considering legislation. Bills are being written right now. As of today there are 22 right to work states

http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/wall-street-journal-more-states-consider-02032111

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

I wish I has an option to join a Union when I worked

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

Depends on the union and the job.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

lotta jobs ain't got no union

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

You would be correct. The problem lies in two areas. How much unions force companies to pay and the exubarant demands regarding benefits. The company can either pass the cost on to the consumer or find other ways to cut costs. They aren't going to be selling $40,000 Ford Pintos. So they use foreign labor. Poof jobs.

Madison, WI is a prime example. They wonder why they are broke and union bus drivers are making 159k a year without a college degree.

[-] 1 points by RightsOfMan (45) from Brownsville, TX 8 years ago

Exub[e]rant? I assume you meant exorbitant but why split hairs?

Perhaps the real crux of the problem is because the gov't refuses to provide for the well-being of it's citizens (in this case healthcare), any company that undertakes the added expense of healthcare is at a competitive disadvantage...if the gov't provided socialized healthcare it would be a non-issue.

How dare I mention socialism in this god-fearing, capitalist society of ours? Yeah, I learned about it when I was a child, growing up in a military family...but I suppose that if we extended such benefits to everyone then we wouldn't be able to sucker people into joining the military with promises of healthcare for them and their family....

Are you really against organizations that demand reasonable benefits for their members? [Sigh] Yes, I suppose you are I have seen your past comments...

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

With the news of Obamcare and new guidelines, our company reduced its health package.

YES WE CAN

[-] 0 points by mediaauditr (-88) 8 years ago

With the news of Obamacare, my company had to reduce benefits and costs to my family went up by 25%. READ... it's not my company's fault, it's the government's fault.

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

it's happening all over the nation. It's sad these protesters cannot see the real enemy.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

the company sells at what ever price makes the most profit

there are no passed on costs to sales from production costs

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

Yes there is. What if they have to charge $40,000 on $15,000 car to make up for what they are paying the employee and his family? They can't do that. It won't sell. They end up buying parts made in China. Every American car is now equipped with parts from all over Asia. Many, cars it's the engine. Ford Mercury uses Mitsubishi engines And we bailed them out. Think about that.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 8 years ago

Now, back to reality. The cost of labor in the final price of a US built car with $70hr pay (including so called legacy cost) is about 10%.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

and if the company got rid of those employees and replaced them with machines

the company would still charge $40,000 if that is what the cars can be sold for

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

That's not how a free market works. If the guy down the street is charging $34,999, then others on the block must not sell it above that price. It's who can sell it at the lowest price, while making a profit, coupled with the best customer service. The free market governs itself. Someone rips you off, they tell others. They face negative publicity. Even more so with the availability of the internet. They rip you off with vanity products. Products that are not better, just the fad or popular at the time. They still cannot force you to buy it.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

monopolies and price fixing conclusion happen

all companies will make more profit if they do not compete

[-] 0 points by RexDiamond (585) from Idabel, OK 8 years ago

Monopolies are a different story. Although not a true monopoly, I have a problem with places like Wal Mart ruing small towns. There is greed attached to that, but Wal Mart is more a result of our technology. Technology has surpassed humanity. We will eventually have to face that issue. We are on the brink of that coming into our awareness.

I have a bigger problem with companies that supply our power and water. They are govt regulated, but still own the market. No one can compete with our utility companies with how they are set up. The Government rarely denies their request for a rate hike. They do it all the time. They pay their employees well. They have great job security and benefits. Meanwhile I am seeing the price of power go up almost 40 percent.

Government agencies also charge these companies all sorts of taxes and fees for all sorts of oddball stuff. They just ask the Gov if they can charge us more to make up the difference. Sure.

True capitalism works. It's the mom and pop system. We used to be that kind of society. We need to get back to that. Anyone who wants the Government to control business more than it already does is completely ignorant.

[-] -1 points by ColbertLovesDanSavage (16) 8 years ago

Yay! More tax payer money for government workers!

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 8 years ago

Those who pay the majority of taxes are very wealthy, so Yay, wooohoo, right on!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

excellent