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Forum Post: Brave action against fascism - Dream Defenders occupy Florida's Capitol since tue 7-16-2013.

Posted 5 years ago on July 18, 2013, 9:56 p.m. EST by BearDickinson (125) from Ewing, VA
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They demand a meeting with the governor regarding Florida's "stand your ground" law. Meanwhile, student activists in Florida are camped outside Scott's office and say they don't plan to leave until he meets with them to discuss the law. The students are members of Dream Defenders, an activist group that participates in civic engagement and promoting nonviolent social change. They walked into the office Wednesday, led by Amon Gabriel, 9, and asked to speak to the governor. He wasn't in the office, the receptionist replied, apologizing. "Thank you. We'll wait," said one of the protesters. The Dream Defenders, like many groups and individuals appalled by "stand your ground" laws across the nation, aren't seeking a casual sit-down with their elected official; rather, they want to take him to task for defending the self-defense provision. About 30 of them came early Wednesday, and more were expected.


"stand your ground" and castle laws (edit - castle laws = i am wrong about this) have originated from ALEC. http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

today, in Washington, DC - a group gathered at ALEC's new building dedication to awaken people as to the damage that ALEC's lobbyists have done. pages 1 &2 plus many photos here.


and it gets worse - Stand Your Ground’ group pushes privatization of public education. The group behind “Stand Your Ground” laws in a number of states has been mighty busy working to get laws passed in the area of school reform — and the aim has been the privatization of public education. That group is the American Legislative Exchange Council, better known as ALEC, which likes to call itself a “nonpartisan public-private partnership” but is actually a corporate-backed enterprise that writes “model legislation” that its membership of nearly 2,000 conservative legislators use in states to pass laws that promote privatization in every part of American life: education, health care, the environment, the economy, etc. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/07/17/stand-your-ground-group-pushes-privatization-of-public-education/ Can we call this what it is ? fascism



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[-] 3 points by BearDickinson (125) from Ewing, VA 5 years ago

Latest news - Dream Defenders - "Tonight on All In with Chris Hayes: Pressure is mounting on Florida Governor Rick Scott to respond to protesters opposing “Stand Your Ground” laws as they occupy his office for the second straight day. The group of Trayvon Martin supporters are frustrated with the law allowing the use of force in self-defense which was considered by the jury that acquitted George Zimmerman. The protesters gathered at the capitol in Tallahassee intend to stay until Governor Scott agrees to meet with them and discuss repealing or amending “Stand Your Ground.” Philip Agnew, Executive Director of The Dream Defenders, the group organizing the Florida sit-in, and Florida State Senator Dwight Bullard, who sponsored legislation last year to repeal “Stand Your Ground,” will join Chris Hayes to discuss the consequences of the law." http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/18/all-in-agenda-standing-up-to-stand-your-ground-in-florida/

[-] 2 points by BearDickinson (125) from Ewing, VA 5 years ago

imho - we in the occupy movement could learn a lot from http://dreamdefenders.org/

and the NC NAACP who have organized the "Moral Monday" actions in Raleigh, NC. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/07/North-carolina-moral-monday-protests/67204/

[-] 2 points by BearDickinson (125) from Ewing, VA 5 years ago

true - my bad, gnomunny

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

No prob. just wanted to throw that out there because I'd heard a couple people equating the two over the last few days. 'Stand your ground' is crap, but I think 'castle doctrine' is valid.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

Protests around the nation, including OWS candlelight vigils, mail and call in campaigns, and of course the high profile Dream Defends Occupy of the Florida governors office, have reached a level of fruition.

Florida legislators have agreed to hearings on the controversial law.


[-] 1 points by BearDickinson (125) from Ewing, VA 5 years ago

Dream Defenders - http://dreamdefenders.org/ National news coverage ! CBS TALLAHASSEE, FLA. Protesters who set up camp in the state Capitol building earlier this week finally got to meet with Gov. Rick Scott late Thursday, and they urged him to push for the repeal of Florida's "stand your ground" law and to take steps to combat racial profiling.

In a conference room near his office suite, Scott met for nearly an hour with seven leaders of the protest, which began Tuesday. They described their frustration about last weekend's acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin and their own experiences of being racially profiled. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57594497/fla-governor-refuses-to-revisit-stand-your-ground-law/

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

'Stand your ground' and 'castle laws' are two different things. 'Castle doctrine' has been around for hundreds of years. It wasn't something ALEC started. Just wanted to make that distinction.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago


Your home is your castle.

The street is public property.

Whole different set of rules when it comes to killing someone.

[-] -1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Definitely. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I thought it might have been shooz that said the other night "castle laws are bullshit" or something like that. It might have been someone else, can't remember, but it sounded like they were equating the two. Big difference between getting out of your car and chasing someone down vs. someone climbing in your window at 3:00 am.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Well - the main thing here - IMO - is that George was not covered in either instance.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

I agree. And I'm a bit skeptical about the claim Tray attacked him while Zim was returning to his car. Wasn't that something said during the trial?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

And the only confirmation of the story comes from - ?????? - the murderer.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago

Exactly. Must be nice to have no eye-witnesses.

Or video footage.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

And witnesses (?) in housing who heard stuff - unfortunately (? for whom ) with out knowing the source.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 5 years ago


[-] -1 points by forourfutures (393) 5 years ago

Why won't occupy do something that brings real power to the people? If they have to camp in the governor office to bring attention to the which obviously can be exploited, then ows had no effect in NYC.