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Forum Post: Boycott KIA Cars and Target Stores

Posted 1 year ago on April 10, 2013, 9:05 a.m. EST by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT
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you can't touch this

Why boycott Kia Cars and Target Stores?

Why Not I say, WHY NOT?

Consider carefully those three letters:


What do they mean and what do they signify within our society? With tens of thousands of Americans having recently served in the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, there can be no question that in the minds of many there will be one and only one meaning of such prominence that it will overwhelm all other considerations. And who can say that the environmental construct will not juxtapose both the emblem:

you can't touch this

and the personification of loss . . .

The possibility extends far beyond those who served, and includes their families and close friends as well. This is the possibility of harm. The reignition of grief. For those who have experienced such loss, the sight of a person closely resembling the departed will itself be provocative, and it will happen. The combination of both such a person bearing close resemblance and the presence of an emblem bearing these three letters at a single place and time can and will stand as a form of mockery of the pain, the grief, and even the loss of life itself.

Why would anyone open the door to such possibility to their fellow humans?

Another perspective stipulates that the emblem itself must embody some potential to impact the owner on a subliminal level. Consider the buzz surrounding positive affirmations and neural linguistics. The buzz certainly is real enough, even if there are questions regarding the substance of the subject matter.

Why take a chance? Why take the chance that the emblem itself will not work on a subliminal level to negative affect in your own life or the lives of those you love?

Therefore I say,

Boycott KIA Cars

And Target Stores?

you can't touch this

Consider these following news items:

  1. Shooter kills Target cashier, commits suicide

    • May 30, 2010, Apex, N.C.
  2. Police: Report of shooting in Fairfax Target store

    • May 1, 2012, Fairfax, Virginia
  3. One Dead, One In Custody After Shooting At Target In NW OKC

    • Sep 28, 2012, Oklahoma City
  4. Man arrested in robbery and shooting at Aurora Target store

    • November 24, 2012, Aurora, Colorado

Talk about on target . . . I would not go near that store, or any store like it, bearing such emblematic iconography in an age where intense debate is apt to break out in violence anywhere in the land.

Not out of fear mind you. It's just common sense. That, and a complete rejection of these kinds of dual use emblems . . .

And speaking of intense debate - the news last night juxtaposed the stabbing in Texas with the latest on the gun debate in DC - where relatives of the dead from Sandy Hook personally appealed to legislators for sensible gun legislation.

Is this what this nation has come to? Dueling acts of violence have become our preferred method of discourse? Let us find out. Let us know the facts. Perhaps we could begin with The Questions Surrounding Jim Jones. Can this river of blood in any way be tied to research into MKULTRA? There are those who are convinced that it is. I say that if this is so, and if our process of intense debate has indeed devolved to a state of dueling acts of random violence and if the public cannot wrest answers from the institutions and bureaucracies who have made it all possible, then it is inevitable -

the gutters of this nation will run in rivers of blood.

Or, you know, we could just have a boycott . . .




We could not only boycott - we could encourage divestiture of Target Corporation Stock, and even sell this stock short.

That is TGT on the NYSE

Did you know that 86% of Target Corporation stocks are institutionally owned? These are things like pension plans . . .

Perhaps, all we need do is whisper . . .

Kia is a different matter. Trading symbol: KIMTF.PK, and is a subsidiary of Hyundai Motors, and their trading symbol is: HYMLY.PK. To sell Hyundai short we will need someone who trades on the South Korean market.



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[-] 2 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

In my opinion your mind control hypothesis needs a little work but there might be a real problem that needs attention and boycotting big box stores like Target and Wal-Mart are a good idea anyway. The number of shootings almost certainly appears to be much higher at Wal-Mart and I suspect that it is partly because of their policies and social inequality.


Wal-Mart does an enormous amount ot drive down wages and reduce quality so they dramatically increase poverty and prevent many social problems from being addressed while continuing to sell guns and violent video games.

A more complete explanation would take more time and looking into psychological work would help but I think it will indicate that Wal-Mart policies are partly to blame. Target may not be much better from what I hear but I haven't looked into that. I'm not sure these logos you cite matter much but the marketing they do for some things might if it combined with abuse from other sources like child abuse that escalates to bullying and a lack of resources due to corporate subsidies to companies like Wal-Mart to address social problems.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I see you are a bit behind the curve - begin here:

  • Mobbing

    • Psychological terror or mobbing in working life involves hostile and unethical communication which is directed in a systematic manner by one or more individuals, mainly toward one individual, who, due to mobbing, is pushed into a helpless and defenseless position and held there by means of continuing mobbing activities. These actions occur on a very frequent basis (statistical definition: at least once a week) and over a long period of time (statistical definition: at least six months´ duration). Because of the high frequency and long duration of hostile behavior, this maltreatment results in considerable mental, psychosomatic and social misery.

while this article relates to activities in the work place, this process, in conjunction with sophisticated surveillance techniques, can be applied on the city street, forms of communication can incorporate various forms of symbolism, and when these forms of communication predict death, death that then occurs as predicted, within days of the event, this constitutes proof of death, at which point most victims flee as far as their resources will allow.

targets of such a process may over time be programmed to engage in a series of highly involved behaviors, and Kia emblems may easily be incorporated into just such a process.

[-] 1 points by zacherystaylor (243) 1 year ago

There are plenty of psychological contributing factors including group speak and marketing to children that are a factor, I'm sure; but the KIA emblem seems relatively mild by comparison. If there is something to it it is probably more related to the marketing that surrounds the emblem but in this case I just haven't seen anything that makes this exceptional although I haven't heard good things about the quality of that car.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Like any icon, the Kia emblem is just an emblem. In the U.S. the letters often form the acronym for Killed In Action. Without that interpretation, as an icon, it becomes benign.

I am sure that far more Americans are familiar with the English acronym than they are the Korean meaning. And that emblem is everywhere in America today.

I could show you how to use that emblem, in conjunction with other stimuli, to produce a Manchurian Candidate. In reality, any emblem will do - all that is required is repetition of the stimuli within a given context to produce the proper conditioned response.

What makes this symbol exceptional is the large numbers of veterans returning from war zones. This symbol has a high potential to be used to hook into such a subjects sense of loss, grief, survivors guilt, willingness and even desire to sacrifice.

Care should be taken to observe the following item 16 from The Checklist of Mobbing Indicators:

  • 16; Mobbers’ fear of violence from target, target’s fear of violence from mobbers, or both.

This fear is not at all without reason.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

boycott KIA cars and target stores!

Boycott today!

[-] 0 points by eterna (-93) from Montauk, NY 1 year ago


[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I will have to make time to read through man. But I promise I will.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

no sweat man - I was just putting up a poster - if you see what I mean. Environmental Activism . . . . that's my thing man.


BWA hahaha

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

It's all good. I will do my best to give my support

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

well thanks, I appreciate that.

[-] 1 points by 14W (-3) 1 year ago

Are you serious? This is childish nonsense. All the real problems in the world and you worry about this?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

As a matter of fact I am and I do. You may find it childish but the fact is the process that is barely outlined above kills people.

[-] 0 points by 14W (-3) 1 year ago

Yeah. Okay. Mind control.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

14W . . . what is that?

an exit off the interstate?

[-] 0 points by 14W (-3) 1 year ago

"To arise to the world from Asia". KIA comes from those Korean words. Got a problem with Asians?

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Not at all. Some aspects of Asian culture, history and philosophy are quite interesting.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

It is interesting to contemplate that Hyundai, a manufacturing company based in South Korea, close trading partner and military ally, would even consider marketing such a brand as KIA in North America. Most certainly and without question, tremendous research went into the linguistics and iconography before this brand name was even selected.

Once the board of directors learned that in English, the acronym KIA stands for Killed In Action, and given the sensitivities that have played out on the Korean Peninsula for 60 years, one would naturally expect the board to resist the kind of marketing strategy that embodies the potential for such a negative reaction among the . . . target audience.

Given the sensitivities of international diplomacy, one would not be the least bit surprised to discover high level discussions between Hyundai corporate and the Department of State - perhaps even involving the South Korean government.

Surely discussions at some level must have taken place to encourage Hyundai corporate to launch such a speculative venture at great financial risk.

It would be interesting to get an accurate picture of just how this marketing decision first came to light, what discussions took place, who was involved, what resistance was encountered, and how it was overcome.

That it was overcome we have no doubt.

Killed In Action cars may be found on roadsides throughout America . . .

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

yes we can!!

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Is this Occupy Wall Street? The place where millions of Americans gather and hold aloft that right to free speech and assembly and so secure the freedom and dignity of future citizens of the world from the tyranny of corporate conglomeration and political malfeasance and corruptioN?

Am I in the right place?

[-] 2 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

Free speech =/= intelligent speech

I believe KIA means something like "arising from Asia" in Korean. I would say that is pretty benign.

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

That's nice. I don't live in Asia. In Asia, they do not use the English alphabet. This is the chart for Korean It looks nothing like English.


Killed In Action.

That is how KIA as an acronym may most often be interpreted in English. And I was the only person commenting on this post, until I posted this bit of speculation. Now you show up - as twins.

Interestingly enough, the first Kia's sold in the United States were marketed under the Ford emblem in 1986. Naturally, they weren't labeled KIA. They were the Ford Festiva and Aspire.

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

Extremely shitty cars none the less.

I guess I don't see what you are getting at here. Do you think it is a bit of subliminal messaging or just careless marketing? And if it is the former, what is the motivation?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

My point is that the KIA icon can easily be incorporated in a process using subliminal techniques, targeted advertising, mobbing, and the like. Unlike the Target Store icon I have not seen the KIA emblem used in this manner, but it would be relatively easy to do.

I doubt that this fact is a result of simple carelessness on the part of the manufacturer. It is as likely to be cultural pride as much as anything else. They must be aware of the acronym and its meaning in English, as well as the potential uses it may be put to.

I would point out that KIA first sold cars in the U.S. under the Ford emblem in the late 1980s:

Kia was purchased by Hyundai in 1998, and Hyudai at that time underwent an image makeover, continued to increase market share in the U.S. Hyundai / Kia was ranked the fourth largest auto maker of 2011 and as such, they do engage in a Corporate Social Responsibility Program.

They have also had controversy, including embezzlement by the chairman and ceo, 2006 and overrating their fuel economy 2011-2013.

Bottom line - if they want to be socially responsible, they can easily rebrand their autos for the North American market. Whether they chose to rebrand or not, I am quite happy to take this opportunity to stir up a shit storm.

I get off on it.

[-] 0 points by 14W (-3) 1 year ago

Shitty cars? I have a KIA and it has been very reliable.

[-] -2 points by kandy4 (-81) 1 year ago

Better boycott these as well asswipe.

KIA Abbreviations.

KIA Killed In Action KIA Kuwait Investment Authority KIA Know It All KIA Kachin Independence Army (Burma) KIA Kilimanjaro International Airport (Tanzania) KIA Kuwait International Airport KIA King's Indian Attack (chess) KIA Kansai International Airport (Osaka, Japan) KIA Kabul International Airport KIA Kuching International Airport (Malaysia) KIA Killing in Action (gaming clan) KIA Kappa Index of Agreement KIA Keep It American (Canyon Lake, TX) KIA Key Issues Analysis KIA Kliger's Iron Agar KIA Korea International Automotive (car manufacturer) KIA Keyboard Interactive Authentication (computing) KIA Kalamazoo Institute of Arts (est. 1924; Kalamazoo, MI)

Cuckoo cuckoo

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (13318) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

Well I would, but I know well how easily distracted the public is these days . . . .


these are not emblems that may be found everywhere