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Forum Post: Born again Christians are really very sick people. They have hijacked the Republican party and have played a large part in destroying our country!

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 22, 2011, 5:32 p.m. EST by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI
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Religious addiction is a very real problem. People can mood alter with just about anything. Drugs,alchohol,work,sex, you name it. In this country many, many people are addicted to a "born again christian" mentality. Because of this addiction they have voted in Republicans because they support their born again values such as a ban on abortion and anti gay legislation. But... they also support the 1% that are willing to give away our jobs to low wage countries so they can make a bigger profit. That is what really ruined our country!!!!



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[-] 5 points by kphelps (16) 12 years ago

If Jesus was to come down on Earth today and take a stroll down Wall Street, he would probably get Peppered Sprayed, hit in the head with a nightstick, tied up with big plastic tie-ties and thrown on a bus and shipped off to jail, while the ill informed who are against the Occupy Movement will watch Fox News and say Jesus Saves.

The truth is, Christianity did not hijack the Republican Party ... The Republican Party Hijacked Christianity by playing the morality game. They tell Christians to vote for them because they are Pro-Life, when the Congress nor the Presidency has no power to outlaw abortions in America. Only the Supreme Court has that power, and the Justices are only replaced when they retire. The next one due to retire will probably be in about 15-20 years.

This was how George W. Bush stayed in power for 8 years and screwed up this country. This is how the Republicans won back the House of Representatives. In reality, they are more evil than their Democrat rivals. The Republicans roll around in filthy lucre (Money) while the 99% suffer.

[-] 2 points by MaryS (529) 12 years ago

I think that's pretty fair. And I will add, Christian conservatives do not represent all of Christianity. Many Christians have been brainwashed into thinking they have to align themselves with the conservatives because of issues with abortion. But they don't. There are plenty of moderate sensible Christians and people like myself who would identify themselves as part of the Christian left. When people rant against all Christians because of what a group of militant right wing conservatives do, they lose their credibility to me. The original statement or "topic" is offensive and narrow-minded..

[-] 1 points by kphelps (16) 12 years ago

I 100% agree with you. However the right-wing group of Christians are so numerous that they do sway the votes. Even though a Church could lose its tax exempt status if they preach politics on the pulpit, many Independent Fundamental Baptist, Pentecostal, and so called "Full Gospel" churches do so, and rely on their congregations silence to the government and media on the issue. Regretfully, many church members will even make up stories and would be taken for face value by their members.

One such instance happened in my community a few weeks ago where a woman e-mailed many church members telling them not to shop at the local Walmart because they banned Salvation Army bellringers from being there. A friend of mine told me that one of the members of his church sent the woman a reply saying "My son will be at Walmart at 1 p.m. this Saturday ringing a bell while standing with a kettle if you would like to come and donate." Which was of course true. I saw him out there ringing the bell at 1 p.m. last Saturday.

It's a sad state of affairs that as the economy continues to dwindle. Moderates are disappearing at a fast rate. Many are either becoming too liberal or right-wing out of fear and desperation. Moderate need to hold their ground because they are the last line of defense for common sense to prevent mayhem from taking over.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 12 years ago

Hi kphelps, Excellent post. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 1 points by bluedoghunter (3) 12 years ago

Wow, never have I seen a greater distortion of truth

[-] 1 points by kphelps (16) 12 years ago

That all depends on your point of view. It wouldn't surprise me if millions of people would call my comment a distortion of truth. Then and again they would probably be the same people sitting on their couches watching Fox News.

[-] 1 points by bluedoghunter (3) 12 years ago

Again, ignorance and stupidity at it's finest. Typical fucking liberal who can't resist bringing Fox News into any debat. It's fucking pathetic. Have you EVER tried to have an original thought?

[-] 1 points by kphelps (16) 12 years ago

Yes ... I have an original thought and here it is: I think that wasting my time chatting with you is as counter-productive as bathing a pig, then placing it back in the pig pen. Therefore I think it best that I and everyone else should ignore your rants and allow you tho be as stupid as you wish all by yourself. Have a nice day.

[-] 1 points by bluedoghunter (3) 12 years ago

If you feel that bringing Fox News into every one of your conversations is productive and intelligent, then I guess I stand corrected. You are smart, I am stupid. Continue on oh great one.

[-] 1 points by barb (835) 12 years ago

Well if you think about it, this would be better then what he got last time he was here.

[-] 1 points by Jackofhearts (36) 12 years ago

Thank you for that post.

[-] 1 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

Bravo!!! Great post!!!

[-] 3 points by Klaatu (3) 12 years ago

Troll. With that fascist list of "rules", I can't imagine how your slanderous comment would not have been "banned". That's a real head-scratcher, isn't it now.

Another's faith is none of your business. We have our own rules to ensure that without bashing vast swaths of our people.

[-] 3 points by 99thpercentile (94) 12 years ago

How can you categorize an entire group of people like that who are varied philosophically, racially, socioeconomically and ethnically? This is the kind of talk that has lead to some pretty scary stuff throughout history. There are countries that have banned religion. Maybe you should try out North Korea.

[-] 1 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

Watch the movie Inherit the Wind 1960 with Spencer Tracy. That is what the movie is about. Things haven't changed much in this country since the movie was made.

[-] 1 points by Jackofhearts (36) 12 years ago

Um beyond the fact that they really have, the video ISN'T how the scopes trial played out. The movie is FICTION that is dramatized for your viewing, and to make an ideological attack.

[-] 1 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

Most wars on this planet are fought over religion. The Crusades killed thousands if not hundreds of thousands in the name of Christianity. Look throughout history and you will see the abuse, the murder, the torture brought about by religion and especially Christianity. By the way it is not fiction that a man was thrown in jail for teaching evolution. That in itself says alot about the Christian faith. Read some of these posts. Some of these people cant even have an intelligent discussion without jumping right into scripture. That is how brainwashed and demented there minds are. Just like in that movie that you call FICTION.

[-] 2 points by Jackofhearts (36) 12 years ago

There are a lot of people who are close-minded and dogmatic, not just Christians. I would suspect you only notice their expression of those features more because you typically oppose them ideologically. I see abuse and murder throughout history in the presence and absence of religion, and in the presence of religion, it's many different religions. Murder, abuse, war... those are all human issues not religious issues. Violence, and murder in the name of Christianity, is essentially murder in the name of 'love thy enemy'. It is irrational to blame that on anything other than social engineering, because actually following Jesus teaching does NOT lead to that kind of action.

[-] 1 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

What about the Crusades! That wasn't essentially murder in the name of 'love thy enemy'.

[-] 1 points by Jackofhearts (36) 12 years ago

Actually it was. It was in the name of Jesus was it not? And we know that Jesus advocates loving your enemy. Therefore, it was social engineering, not a logical move based on Christ teaching.

[-] 1 points by Bomer (58) 12 years ago

I disagree... Marx was much closer.

"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."


[-] 3 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 12 years ago

Most Democrats are Christians. Most Americans are Christians

Jesus said:

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[-] 0 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

Watch the movie Inherit the Wind 1960 with Spencer Tracy. That is what the movie is about. Things haven't changed much in this country since the movie was made.

[-] -1 points by Farleymowat (415) 12 years ago

Nice post Farmer Joe. Btw, what do you farm?

[-] 2 points by 2manyangrypeople (7) from Breezy Point, NY 12 years ago

Antagoniser Antagoniser Antagoniser

[-] 2 points by 2manyangrypeople (7) from Breezy Point, NY 12 years ago

Dear fellow occupiers and supporters. It would appear that the Craigslist rant and raves crowd have found their way to the Occupy boards. Their messages are always ones of HATRED. Their aim is to cause division among the occupy movement. It only takes one persons hatred towards another group of people to start the rot.It is already starting to have an effect. This is NOT the spirit of the movement. We are UNITED. WE are Christians Muslims Jews Buddhists etc WE are black white Hispanics and Asians etc WE are the able bodied We are the handicapped. WE are straight We are gay. For far to long we have allowed the politicians on both sides of the aisle to divide and conquer us, they have taught us to hate one another and tell us what to think about people who do do agree with us. This person is a prime example and has probably never left his house let alone participated in a protest! WE have all put our disagreements aside and come together under a common cause.To stop the corruption of our political 'representatives' and put an end to corporate greed. I would ask the help of ALL occupiers and supporters. Whenever you see another group being attacked or disparaged in anyway, simply respond by posting the word ANTAGONISER!! Be aware that the government is not happy with this movement. They do have people on the boards trying to stir up dissent among us. Please help!!! ANTAGONISER ANTAGONISER ANTAGONISER

[-] 2 points by jimmycrackerson (940) from Blackfoot, ID 12 years ago

False spirits invade the church...(this video is fucking scary...)


Then watch:


[-] 2 points by bluedoghunter (3) 12 years ago

I think it's disgusting of you to put down a group who believes in positive values, and a better way of life. Just because you don't believe in God, doesn't mean you need to put down others who do. Our country was founded on Christian values, which is something I would never expect you to understand.

[-] 1 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

I do believe in a loving caring God. However most Christian religions in the world believe in Guilt,Fear, and Shame. This is not what J.C. was trying to teach.

[-] 2 points by Jozbuk (3) 12 years ago

Engage with them - Jesus said "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Matthew 19 : 24 Tell them to read Mark 10 and suggest that when " Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. " he was Occupying the Temple

[-] 2 points by bluedoghunter (3) 12 years ago

It's distgusting to see someone like you make any assumptions about what people do with their money. Just because they aren't giving it to YOU doesn't mean they aren't charitible. Stop thinking and speaking for other people, and trying to make them your slaves.

[-] 2 points by wouldstronglypreferjustice (35) from Portland, OR 12 years ago

No - the Republican party has attempted to hijack the message of Christ.

[-] 2 points by Farleymowat (415) 12 years ago

So you know all born again Christians? Their are millions of Christians in this country. How many do you personally know to make such a bigoted, hateful statement like this? Hateful bigots do more to ruin this country Mac.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 12 years ago

Politicians don't care one way or the other about the fundamentalists. The religious right gets noticed and has pushed the Republican Party's agenda to the right because they vote. If the occupy movement could field candidates from different districts across the country and get some elected, they too would get attention.

I can't fault a group that actually uses the system to get their goals met. Then too there is that pesky first amendment. AARP, NRA, NAACP, environmental groups, they deliver votes and get people reelected, that's all the politician cares about.

[-] 1 points by dcosts (69) from St Petersburg, FL 12 years ago

I agree:)

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 12 years ago

This is a sensitive subject to speak about because a lot of people have fought and died to protect both the freedom of religion and speech in this country. However, is mac123 being bigoted? Are merely raising awareness to the reality of religion and politics.

Gay-Bashing Emerging as Core Christian Right Election Strategy http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/8/30/155941/658

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 12 years ago

I would not say born again Christians as a whole. That is neither fair nor accurate. You might want to look into the New Apostolic Reformation folks. These are the people that want to take natural disasters and attach them to morality.

[-] 1 points by tomcat68 (298) 12 years ago

umnn it has historically been Democrats, imposing TAX TAX TAX to supply this nation with welfare votes, who send our jobs over seas.

maybe you were learning to use the Big Potty when Clinton was in office, maybe wearing a blindfold Now.

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 12 years ago

Just FYI christianity is a lie stolen from the early Egyptian sun god Horace. This same story of Horace scribed on the walls of pyramids around 3000 bc was stolen and altered to become christianity. 1. Born of a virgin 2. 12 deciples 3. Died on the cross 4. Resurrected after 3 days. Hmmm sounds familiar doesn't it? Lets stop getting caught up with the messenger and concentrate on the message. "Do unto others". www.thrivemovement.com

[-] 1 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

Finally! Intelligent life on this planet!

[-] 1 points by XXAnonymouSXX (455) 12 years ago

Thank you.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 12 years ago

Perhaps if one added radical to 'born again' it would not create such controversy.

Because of the 'radical' certain things were either placed into the Constitution or 'hinted at', the entry of there shall be no religion etc...was a strong hint that religion should not be part and part and partial of the governing process.

Yet it appears that recent statements such as 'government should stay out of religion but religion should not stay out of government' seems to disregard that hint.

There is a huge cry about the remote possibility of Sharia Law being imposed in the US, yet it appears that nonsecular law is desirable? At least as long as it is the 'right' nonsecular law.

Christians, born again or otherwise had no more effect than any other group on the economic issue.

Our congress in order to gain office to continue in office has accepted funding from small but financially powerful groups (including unions) and by this acceptance submitted to a debt mentality on both parts, the small but financially powerful groups being the debt holders.

We can't blame the small powerful groups for doing what they do, for that is their nature, we can't blame our congressmen and women for doing what they do, for that too is in their nature.

We can accept part of the blame for not paying attention long before now, for accepting everything at face value.

None of us is an innocent, at least none of us who were born prior to 1990-1992.

Choosing a particular group to blame is avoiding responsibility, accountability.

Now we are seeing what is wrong and now it's up to us to fix it, one step at a time, the same way it became wrong one step at a time.

[-] 1 points by EndTheFed214 (113) 12 years ago

so we should ban religion?

[-] 1 points by commonsense11 (195) 12 years ago

I agree that even too much of a good thing is bad but you can't put all the blame for our situation on them. Even the good Democrat Bill Clinton screwed over the nation with his programs to allow people to buy houses they couldn't afford causing the mortgage market crash we recently experienced. There's enough blame to go around.

[-] 1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 12 years ago

So it's all the Christians fault?

[-] 1 points by R3volution (19) 12 years ago

I'm Catholic, so I can just go to confession after being a hooter king.

[-] 0 points by mac123 (64) from Canton Township, MI 12 years ago

Watch the movie Inherit the Wind 1960 with Spencer Tracy. That is what the movie is about. Things haven't changed much in this country since the movie was made.