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Forum Post: Boeing Vs Labor- View from a Shop Worker

Posted 7 months ago on Jan. 1, 2014, 9:15 p.m. EST by AlwaysIntoSomething (42)
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http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/01/01/a-shop-floor-view-of-the-fight-at-boeing/

Sounds to me like this "union" leader is a total waste of time. The guy writes everyone a letter to explain things? Doensnt have the time to come in and talk?

They'd be better off without him, as they are currently proving.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Posted by a guy who HATES unions.

What's not surprising is the link to a conspiracy theory site, instead of the originator.

In the end it proves the high worth of unions, as this guy will likely not be re-elected, but you don't mention that.

Nor did you comment on the many other threads on Boeing.

It's a shame really.

Tax the rich is one of the originator sites best stories.

Here's the one you missed.

http://labornotes.org/2014/01/public-sector-unions-win-when-they-preach-tax-rich

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

Actually, he doesn't hate unions. He just firmly believes that unions get in the way of his ability to negotiate with a company one on one. See, it's all about how he rearranges his words. So, apparently he doesn't hate, he eath unions. I think it's a PR thang.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Strangely enough, he actually responded to this and then almost immediately deleted it.

He's always been anti-union.

That's what libe(R)tarians are.

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[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

I'm sorry?

Who are you?

Besides new here?

In truth, I've tried many times to make peace with poster in question.

He made sure that was not possible, with all sorts of negativity aimed at the 99%.

Unions and liberals in particular, he has attacked without mercy.

He's a PR hack first and foremost..

He likes to talk about the necessity of community, while attacking those that do post about their communities.

Since his attack on me was deleted, you really have no idea.

[-] -2 points by fastcars (2) from New York, NY 7 months ago

I'm a forum reader. I usually don't post or comment. Just like to read. I'm in Portland. Occupied at the beginning.

What about you? Who are you?

It seems to me you attack many people, not just him. It's getting tiring, and, in my humble opinion, is ruining the forum.

Instead of attacking him which adds more crap to the forum, why not ban him? Or, better yet, just let the readers decide if they want to read his comments or ignore them.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Then you must have missed all the viscous attacks on me, as well as all the organized attacks on any liberal posters.

You must also have missed the attacks perped by libe(R)tarians, gun nutters, conce(R)vatives and teabagge(R)s, among others.

Not to mention the frequent puppet and bot attacks in the forum.

And like I said, I've offered him olive branches numerous times.

He turned on me every single time.

My patience, is not unlimited.

[-] -2 points by fastcars (2) from New York, NY 7 months ago

I have been reading for awhile. Seen it all. Not many gun nutters or bots these days. What's the point of being stuck in the past? Even if there were such things nowadays, it doesn't excuse adding more to the fire with personal attacks. It seems to me the person doing the most harm these days is you. I say this in all honesty. I think you would be pleasantly surprised if you treated others with more respect. You could make some really good friends here. Occupiers have to stick together.

You asked me who I was and I answered. I asked you the same, but you ignored my question.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

So you missed all those attacks then?

Strange that. Very strange, considering your claim of reading everything.

Bots and puppets are still very much in evidence around here, so it's strange that

You missed that fact too.

You didn't actually say who you were.

But.......I'm game and unafraid.

I'm Michael Moore.

PS. I've found that treating trolls and PR agents with respect is useless.

Ditto the current crop of libe(R)tarians masquerading as Anarchists around here.

If really think my asking people for clarification is the problem, then I guess I will need to ask you more questions.

Puppets, bots and a cabal that attacked liberal posters and particular mod, have done more damage than anything I ever could.

If you're so observant?

Why didn't you mention ANY of that? Instead attempting to attack me?

now, who did you say you were?

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

Why don't you stick with one ID?

[+] -4 points by fastcars (2) from New York, NY 7 months ago

I only have one ID. What about you?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

Just one---as always. You, however, I don't believe.

[+] -4 points by fastcars (2) from New York, NY 7 months ago

What you believe is of no importance. Instead of falsely accusing people of unimportant things, you should be working hard to build a community. You do believe in community building don't you?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

No. What you believe is of no importance. You have played your last game. You were warned over a year ago. In that time, because you are a douche bag you have run off one mod that was seriously ill and ganged up individually on three of us. Your lies and deceit are over.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

dk ? is gone

let him/her rest

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

After the damage has been done?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

we can't depend on good posters staying forever

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

That's a bullshit comment.

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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27725) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

No I am not gone.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4452) 7 months ago

Excellent

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (27725) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Tanks um I mean tanks......damn-it......tanks........oh shit...........I've been infected by the MIC...........................

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

I can't say I spend as much time here though

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[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

You are lying. Again. No surprise.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

the community here is surprising resilient

I am humbled by the work and dedication pt into this site

gush gush

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

You need to make amends and you need to stick to them. I don't know how your going to do that. But, your cyber bullying tactics end right fucking now.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

I saw that. He is anti-union or inta-union. He has spent a great deal of time on this forum stating the same. Like his views on education, etc. That said, he is a pr firm.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

OMG!

He's spoken against almost every union so far!

From teachers to the USPS.

Not unlike his libe(R)tarian, federalist masters.

Speaking of teachers, they're getting fucked over by the ALEC libe(R)tarians in Wisconsin again.

http://wepartypatriots.com/wp/2014/01/02/wisconsin-education-unions-lose-certification-as-non-votes-called-no-votes-under-act-10/

See, not voting DOES matter.

[-] -2 points by fastcars (2) from New York, NY 7 months ago

Mob attacks against other users are so last year!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

You did that no less than two days ago.

This is not a mob attack.

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[-] -1 points by boscosmom (-12) 7 months ago

Shoes, if unions are the end all, be all, howz come they haven't followed our factory jobs overseas and tried to organize workers in Mexico, Malaysia, China, or the new slave wagers in Haiti (courtesy of the Clinton Global whatever)??

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

People get shot all the time trying to organize unions in all those places and many more.

I'm a Wobbly at heart.

Unionize EVERY worker in the World!

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[-] -2 points by AlwaysIntoSomething (42) 7 months ago

The vote is tomorrow, going to be very interesting to see how this thing turns out.