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Forum Post: Biodome, Diversity, Religious, Technical, Scientific, Literary, Teachers, Librarians, Soldiers, Police, Farmers & Live stock,

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 27, 2012, 6 p.m. EST by Middleaged (5140)
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The Idea is A Space Ship Biodome & Who would you need for Diverse Personnel: Political, Religious, Technical, Scientific, Literary, Teachers, Librarians, Soldiers, Police, Farmers & Live stock, Etc.

First I'm thinking get rid of the Police and Politicians....

Second, I'm guessing that diversity is what makes life interesting and bearable in space without TV or Cable shows....

Third, I think your Literatry, Religious, and Librarian personnel would also be Engineers, Scientists, Farmers, and Techincians. For the purpose of this I would put Pilots and Naviagtors into the Technical area.

Really isn't this important in the sense that our world has to be sustainable and balanced ... and the biodome or Space Craft is the ultimate example of how important this is.

But... Maybe a Commune or Village in the Amazon also is forced to live within narrow parameters. In the Amazon, farm land is used up in 3-7 years (I forget), so then you have to cut down trees every year to expand and create new pasture. Or you engage in Slash and Burn culture which destroys the forest. Either way you have to rotate your crop or pastures or move your planting because you use up the land.

Anybody interested in this? I'm not a science guy or an Ag guy. I know Greenhouses expand the possibilities. I know that Hydroponics can be combined with fish farming. I know live stock produces toxins.

We can all learn a lot from biodomes. And maybe this is about Permaculture, but not 100% sure. We need to design our communities better. We all have to understand the science We all have to know the overview which is many systems, rotation, exchanges, removal of toxins, conversion of toxins, and organic gardening

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[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

Will there be middle-men in your spaceship/biodome ?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

You mean:

1) Finance guys seeking Rent?
2) Part of a three-some?
3) Warehouse Operator?
4) Low lever Dope Dealer?

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

Buy and sell profit-seekers of any kind seeking to exploit the hard working man

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

So Three-somes are not on your list. lol Actually I appreciate your response. No, I think the Spirit of A Star Trek like adventure is "No Middle-Men". People have enough to do without Shills and Sharks coming on board and ripping off the officers and enlisted.

Hopefully the recruitment process asks for Resume's and filters out people that never completed college within 4 years, who don't have a strong work history, and who are not Interesting.

That means they probably would not recruit or except me... but what are you gonna do.....?

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

I once read an article in a magazine.. asking a similiar question .. though the situation was this: A space ship leaving Earth on a 200 year journey to another discovered planet .. what type of government system will they use while on ship?

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Science Fiction is all about that. Science Real. It is not an original question at all. People have been asking this question for 30-40 years at least. Maybe back to Sputznic.

1) If you look at a Biodome, you have to ask this question. It is a great question!
2) Space launch ... same as Biodome.
3) Anarchy 99, (the Movie XXX), you have to look at this question.
4) And a Farm with fish or sheep or pigs ... you have to get rid of the waste ... which is poison. Better to compost it or put it into Hydroponic system....???

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

We have done a lot of serious damage to our environment here in Earths' BioDome. Mostly with poisonous chemicals in our waterways, in our agriculture, and in our atmosphere. All we can really do is stop the damaging . and let the Earth heal herself.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Pollution Off-Set Lease (POL) was a program to get contributions to lease land in the Rain Forest ... in order to keep it from being cut down for lumber or farm land. I'm not sure what happened to it. John Perkins was the Front Man on it in the 1990s. He said he was very successful in getting corporations to contribute or dedicate dollars to the program. Mainly because everyone one knew that Corporations were destroying Oxigen producing trees and producing carbon dioxide.

Sustinable farming is also a good program.

Recycling is a good Idea.

Throwing Virgins into Volcanos has not yet been proven as a concept.

Oceans produce the most Oxigen, so if we protect them, then we are doing good things...

Scrubbers on Factory Smoke Stacks are supposed to be like doing God's work... those should be Kept.

Ask for Alternative Energy for you local Energy Company is supposed to be good and successful. People sell their alt energy companies to Energy companies.

Maybe Eating vegitarian a few nights a week or when you go out also helps... animals consume a lot of energy.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microponics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_agriculture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_breed_(agriculture) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_plant we can have a diet rich in nutritious food. but we have to exploit the genetic bank and both permaculture and science. many rare breed and heirloom livestock and plants are very adaptable to a variety of challenging conditions that modern domesticated organisms can not achieve on any meaningful level. Many can not even reproduce in a natural setting. turkeys, cows, and many gmo crops are designed to not be fertile. In addition there are many non traditional livestock such as rabbit and quail that can produce a generous output and be raised ethically in a small area including fish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics to. We can do this. http://www.appropedia.org/Original:Micro-livestock:_Little-known_Small_Animals_with_a_Promising_Economic_Future many of these can be used as green alternatives for livestock feed, to assist in composting, and alternative human consumption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliciculture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetia_illucens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiculture#Vermicompost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mealworms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomophagy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla#Food http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duckweed

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Thanks for all the Ag & Husbandry Links. I'm greatful to have them all on this one Post to come back to and research over and over. I actually had looked a little at Fish Farming, and producing meat at home, and having orchards and produce at home. Often this becomes a system of systems. The waste from a Fish Farm goes into Hydroponics or Ag farm... Could be Greenhouse or hydroponics are the only way to farm without depleting the farm land. But know that Organic farmers have to put nutrients back in the soil. Perhaps intensive farming depletes the soil due to low nutrients put back. Guess there are better crops that don't deplete the soil as much as what cotten or Tobbaco did? I don't know crops yet. Give me time. I am a slow reader.

[-] 0 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

Question:

  • What is the difference between Earths Weather patterns, and the man made environment on a Biodome/ spaceship ?
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Answer: pretty much everything.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Damn straight!!! That pretty much says it!!! LOL!!!!!!!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

LOL - sorry I couldn't help myself.

[-] 1 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

yeah .. well .. correct.. but the answer I was looking for :

  • Mankind does not control the Earths weather, whereas , on a spaceship the environment would be totally controlled.. Which makes me ask .. can humans survive without a change in seasons .. or the changing tide of the moon ?
[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

If a government was controlling the weather, it would be a Military program, and a Military Secret. We would have no way of knowing. But ... also if you go to Central America and the Equator, you don't really get changes of seasons. You get some rainy seasons, monsoon season, Trade winds, humbolt Current. jet Stream.

I can't speak to living on Space craft. I don't really have knowledge of running a Biodome or Farm or Greenhouse or hydroponic.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Which makes me wonder why Ronald Reagan admitted that NASA had discovered dark rings around Uranis, while he was undergoing rectal surgery.

We all wonder these things, but they have little to do with OWS.

[-] 0 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

I very very very ..deeply apologize for my wonderings .. please forgive me kind sir .. my children are so so hungry .. and my mother she she is not well .. please kind sir .. forgive a wondering old man and his puzzlements .. please sir ..please sir

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

What are you driving at here . . . that we need to build a terrestrial model to see if what we are doing to the earth will screw it up? As if we needed added evidence? Or should we just all fly off into outer space and leave our mess behind here (as if that were possible) and bring the mess that is ourselves with us into space and try to find somewhere else to do it all again? Or do you think you can figure things out better by studying an abstract model, where we can hide away and play pretend, rather than having to address the very real and obvious catastrophe in front of our eyes every day?

You are retreating into a childish fantasy (the opposite of action) and encouraging us to do the same. "Yes, let's study the issue some more, rehash the data, argue tautologies. Maybe we can turn it all into grant money for cloistered and gutless reseachers hiding away from all human contact, and from the horror they've wrought on earth . . . ?"

Or maybe we can just fiddle some more while Rome burns?

I can't decide . . . is this conscious diversion, or just the hopless "workings" of a timid mind?

I'm sorry . . . but all this is finally too much. All the scientists in America today can't get together to make a decision about tying their shoelaces, much less show the courage to defend such a decision. Every one of them has a grant from someone somewhere they can't afford to offend, and all they really want anyway is somewhere to hide from the apocalyptic order they've so diligently complied with - an order that is wreaking utter destruction on humanity. We cannot count on either them or their work to pull us through. Science is a tool at the beck and call of the spirit - be it the spirit of good or evil - nothing more. It cannot save us any more than we can be saved by a screwdriver or a pipewrench.

I find it pathetic. I'm really mad, and I have no right to take that out on you. For that I'm sorry, but it gives me an opportunity to vent, and I'm really mad! How many times can we tell ourselves the same comforting lies? It just boggles the mind and wearies the spirit to see it over and over and over again, the same cycle of comfortable self-dellusion! The question will not be solved in outer space but in inner space - not in the observation of phenomina but in the realization of consciousness - in the reserrection of the spirit. We need to set out on a New Course Entirely.

The God of Science is dead.


Engage . . . stay engaged in whatever process gets us closer to a place where the divine order of truth and justice . . . and a respect for all living things prevails.

That is our mission now, and there is no other.

[-] 2 points by ProblemSolver (79) 1 year ago

You must find peace from within your own heart, and that will give you the strength you need to complete your mission.

Shaloam

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i see the concepts are having an effect on your world view. AWESOME! but you are wrong about the land being exhausted after 3-7 years that is the old way of doing things. this would be true if slash and burn is used but if terra preta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta techniques are used instead you generate a soil that will regenerate itself and provide plenty of nutrition to plants.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Looks like organic Farming has minerals of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), calcium (Ca), zinc (Zn), manganese (Mn).[4] ... Oh Potassium

In some cases pH may need to be amended

Natural pH amendments include lime and sulfur, but in the U.S. some compounds such as iron sulfate, aluminum sulfate, magnesium sulfate, and soluble boron products are allowed in organic farming.[18]:43

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

eh just use some rock dust. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockdust

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

wow, I am not smart here, but lots of minerals in Rockdust:

calcium %w/w 6.44
iron %w/w 10.5
magnesium %w/w 6.54
sulfur %w/w 0.21
potassium %w/w 1.25
phosphorus mg/kg 3030
cobalt mg/kg 35
copper mg/kg 43
manganese mg/kg 790
molybdenum mg/kg <5
zinc mg/kg 92
silicon %w/w 21.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

oh yeah powerful stuff.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Does this require human bone, Charcol, and manure? lol Thanks for the info. Clearly you are answering the issues that I am asking. I have to dig in more. Thanks very much.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

no problem 6 months ago this was all new to me too.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Thanks for the links above. I have to click and it will take time to read. Very good help.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

have fun!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Feeding the soil with returned biomass/mulch

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

biochar is going to change everything! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar it is a true game changer for man.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Interesting - bio fuel containing no heavy metals or other toxins - scrubbed exhaust stacks recapturing the burned carbon - return it and till it into the soil for a closed loop.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

god i love closed loops.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And all manufacturing should be run on the same concept - a closed loop leaving no waste to bury somewhere.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

making planned obsolescence illegal would help as well.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Having manufacturers take back their failed products as they are replaced by they public - might also effect a change in thinking/practice.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

every idea should be on the table and analyzed at a minimum.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Remember when all bottled products - the empties were returned to their place of origin and a deposit was paid out to the customer to see that the empties were returned to the store of purchase?

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

well i am not that old. lol. i am 34 don't remember those days but i do remember recycling being viewed as a matter of civic responsibility. what happened to that?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Manufacturers got tired of dealing with the returns. I used to collect a couple of bottles I would find lying around - run em to the store get the deposit money then maybe get a comic book and or some candy.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i used to do the same thing. we used to also keep our bottles and i would walk them to them to the store and use the money to buy baseball cards. but you could return them wherever there was a machine. you put the cans and bottles in one at a time.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep those would be different more recent days. When I was growing-up they hadn't yet started really putting beverages into cans. And smokes were also like .25 a pack.


[-] 2 points by quantumystic (642) from Memphis, TN 5 minutes ago

i don't remember those days but i am from ny. i remember marlboro's were 2.15 and a newspaper was 25cents. gas was probably 1-1.25 somewhere in there. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yeah, we have machine returns here. Must be Corporations Lobby By State. If your State Legislature Takes Bribes they cancel the Recycling Program... @#%@

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28241) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ahhh I think I remember that - machine return - in this area I never did that before they stopped taking back the returns for a deposit. Yeah the good old days - gasoline .25 a gallon.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i don't remember those days but i am from ny. i remember marlboro's were 2.15 and a newspaper was 25cents. gas was probably 1-1.25 somewhere in there.