Forum Post: Beware of Naysayers Bullying your Comments,They Don't Want Change
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 1:58 p.m. EST by kimmid
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Beware of people who reply to posts and try to demean valid points. They don't want change. Some in this country are doing quite nicely, and don't want this movement to succeed. They reply that you don't understand economics or investing or whatever so that you'll feel foolish and shut up. I was recently told that I shouldn't expect a return of dividends on my investments. No, I should just let the Exec's reap the profits with their bloated salaries and bonuses. I just don't understand how a company and investments work he said. BS!!!!! Stand firm and don't let naysayers bully you!
They're called "trolls" and they pop up everywhere, possibly paid to disrupt and redirect attention from the discussion at hand. One of the first things I learned on the internet is "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS". Ignoring them is the best defense. Arguing with them only wastes energy better used elsewhere.
Thanks for the advice! I won't waste my time with them anymore!
Or maybe, they have another opinion, other facts, a different point of view that they want to express. Maybe instead of ignoring, name-calling and using profanity, you might engage them. Engagement might educate all parties involved. Dialogue is critical.
I don't do any of those things, but they do! Just wait-- you'll find people with no ideas who don't want to hear anyone else'. There's no dialogue with these people, they are the ones who want to stop change---you'll see!
Dividends are the result of the corprate leaders directing their workers in a way which brings profits. As a shareholder I would rather see those profits put back into the company. The ceo may be making millions because he increased profits and the share price. If you replaced the ceo with the kid washing dishes profits would probably fall.
It's a concept OWS also makes when they say teachers should be paid more. You think the teacher has value and provides skills. Those skills help the students capitalize on their education.
As a shareholder, why wouldn't you want a share? That's the point of investing. Many CEO's are making millions even when the share price hasn't increased. You don't have to replace the CEO with the kid washing dishes-- that's getting ridiculous-- CEO's don't need the salaries/bonuses they get. How many do you think turn down bonuses and say, "Give it to the stockholders."? I assist in Open-Heart Surgery-- I help people capitalize on their futures, too. Fact is, you can't compare a CEO salary to ours.
Many companies don't have dividends. Apple computer doesn't have them. They take the money which would have been paid out as dividends and invest it in the company itself. For the shareholders it means more profits which leads to a higher stock price. They choose to have the dividend as a high share value and increased capital within the company.
I am jealous of the absurd amounts ceo's make. As a shareholder I would question if that money could be better invested. I know there are thousands of ceo's that may take less salary. The great thing is the shareholder can always reject the absurd salary by selling their shares. The consumer can reject the salary by refusing to buy their products.
i agree. i'm an ass too but said person clearly does not understand the basics.
Wow. If a company doesn't pay dividends, SELL THE COMPANY.
Understood--- but most people only look at their end of quarter value, not dividends, since most investors invest through their employers program and aren't very savvy. I'm just trying to educate them.
Trying to educate investors by forcing companies to pay dividends?
No, by getting people to pay attention to this and put their money somewhere that does pay. Look, the top 1% or more is living high off the hog-- we all agree, I think. They would rather give themselves fat salaries/bonuses than share with stockholders who don't understand. Again, most investors just blindly let money be taken from their paychecks and invested by their employers program reps. Maybe you have a better way of getting the 1%'s attention. I would be glad to hear it.
No, we don't all agree. Please, for the very first time in your life, try to think.
If "most investors blindly let money be taken from their paychecks", then whose responsibility is it to educate the investor? Is it mine? Is it yours, fundamentally? Or does the responsibility of the investor rest ON the investor alone?
What right do you have to tell another individual, who has been tasked with running a public company, that they MUST pay a dividend, that they MUST not pay themselves anything for managing a million or billion dollar enterprise that thousands of people depend on for livelihood.
Well, if you hand over your money, someone will take it, won't they. I didn't say that someone running a company shouldn't pay themselves-- you made that part up. It's quite well known that the average investor doesn't know what they're doing--- that's the main argument against privatizing SS. You obviously don't have a plan of your own to suggest-- you just put down everyone elses. Why don't YOU try to think for the first time in your life!
My suggestion requires the shrinking of govt and the gradual reduction of regulations. You want more regulations. More shackles. More government sticking it's red tape on everything.
You don't know what I want! You ASSUME.
I heard Obama wants change.
Obama in 2012! Hahaha!
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