Forum Post: Bernie Reacts to the SCOTUS Support of the Kochs
Posted 10 years ago on April 2, 2014, 5:23 p.m. EST by shoozTroll
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Yes, according to libe(R)tarians. money IS everything.
"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) blasted the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on Wednesday to abolish overall federal campaign spending limits, meaning that wealthy individuals now have carte blanche to spend as much as they like to affect the outcomes of federal elections.
“Freedom of speech, in my view, does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government,” said Sanders in a statement.
Wednesday’s 5-to-4 Court vote struck down limits on total amounts that individual donors can contribute to parties, candidates and political action committees within a two-year federal election cycle."
Michigan Koch slaps Kochs
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/23/1301423/-Koch-bros-smacked-down-in-Michigan-but-Republicans-can-t-even-do-the-right-thing-the-right-way?detail=email
Bump!
Thank God there's one guy who says what needs to be said. Bernie-I tip my Long Trail Mostly Cloudy to you, sir. Every congressman/Senators' website needs to get jammed with a hearty 'wtf' Mine's getting one. Raw Story has lotsa good shit. Thanks for the point.
Sanders will go ballistic when he hears about this!:
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/23/republicans-give-money-power-elections-suing-fec-operate-superpacs.html
Blatant attack on voting rights of the 99%
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"Kochs exposed!" All should see:
The screening:
http://blogs.rollcall.com/hill-blotter/koch-brothers-exposed-screening-pelosi-reid-no-questions/?dcz=
FYI & shameless bump
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I can believe it. If the dems want any donations without calling this crap out, like Bernie, they'd better think twice and, that has always been their problem. They think we don't notice, but we do. As a matter of fact, I send cash to AARP, and AL. I'm going to tell them, no calling this shout out LOUDLY, no cash. It's like Al pointed out in his book - liberal talk C O N S E R V A T I V E T A L K. Because then the corporations won't give them any cash. However, I do notice 'the great disconnect' with people every day. I think it's time to find out who these corporations are and putting them on parade.
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Thanks. I got it bookmarked. I'll give the culprits the exposure they so richly deserve.
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They're a tenacious bunch. It is definitely not easy. You may need to get me that first link again. I told flip I wouldn't pick on him no more if he agreed to being bipolar. But, I'd like to read it for myself.
Stop anti 99% oligarchs
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/09/koch-brothers-buy-congress-spending-125-million.html
just a bump
Thanks. Can't these guys find another country to destroy? In fact, another planet would be even better.
https://movetoamend.org/ is more than 1/2 way to the goal of eliminating the disaster of corp influence on our representatives
Good deal. I'll put it one person past 1/2.
Koch against immigration (w/ other assorted enemies of the 99%) meeting to plan our demise
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/conservatives-seek-to-regain-control-of-republican-agenda/2014/05/15/aaa20c80-dc6e-11e3-bda1-9b46b2066796_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203
Glad you are counted against the Kochs
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Occupy reacts.
"The supreme court has struck down limits on individual campaign contributions, ruling that federal caps on combined donations to candidates, parties and political action committees are an unconstitutional infringement on free speech"
Kai Newkirk responds.
"KAI NEWKIRK IS RAISING AN ARMY TO GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS"
http://www.vice.com/read/kai-newkirk-is-raising-an-army-to-get-money-out-of-politics
Revenge for Nixon?
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/07/3423462/if-chief-justice-roberts-had-been-around-in-the-1970s-he-would-have-endorsed-nixonian-corruption/
http://www.truth-out.org/art/item/22959-free-speech
CREW reacts.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/entry/supreme-court-mccutcheon-campaign-finance-decision-divorced-from-reality
Does anyone have word on who is supportive of this decision?
http://www.occupy.com/article/mccutcheon-took-us-back-time-%E2%80%93-it-might-just-birth-next-occupy
Let's hope.
Yes, let's hope and OWS and The 99% must organise around this matter. Please see - ''McCutcheon Should Become A Rallying Cry for A Campaign to ‘End the Rule of Money’'', by K. Zeese & M. Flowers : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38198.htm - it is an excellent article that all with OWS sympathies should read. Never Give Up! Occupy Solidarity!
'McCutcheon Should Become A Rallying Cry for A Campaign to ‘End the Rule of Money’ by Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers (alternate link - as requested :) - http://www.alternet.org/activism/mccutcheon-should-become-rallying-cry-campaign-end-rule-money - Never, Ever Give Up The 99% Struggle! Occupy Solidarity & also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/open-letter-governor-massachusetts-his-support-authority-supreme-court-make-its-mccutcheon-ruling-13 .
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'They are literally buying our government, one legislator at a time. It is my hope that Republicans in the Senate will be as offended as the rest of us by this blatant attempt to extort their votes. Anyone who values our American democracy and who values the principals of a representative, one-person/one-vote republic should be outraged at this.' - is how your link ends. Sadly The Republican Party is utterly shameless, in Michigan, Ohio and everywhere else. On the matter of the Koch Brothers, see -
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/29/the_real_secret_to_beating_the_koch_brothers_how_our_broken_political_system_can_still_be_overcome/
Never Give Up Exposing The Corruption Of The Political Process. Occupy Solidarity.
I've lost over 3,000 points in the last couple of months, for saying exactly that.
The Koch's?
I guess that's who employs them, as they really don't like me pointing out their activism.
Remember all the arguments over public unions and pensions in the early days of the forum? All the libe(R)tarian arguments against them?
Well, those folks never left. They just changed their tune a bit, but their masters are still VERY busy on that account.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/04/25/14662/koch-brothers-major-corporations-sponsor-pension-reform-seminar-judges
What 'them and they'? I'm not sure that I really understand you. Public pensions are opposed by Wall Street because they can't pilfer them as easily and Wall Street has captured both the electoral options. Where does that leave The 99%? I'll look at your link later and try to get back to you. Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.
Them/they are those that have been intent on rabidly downvoting those who post information on the Koch's, ALEC, the SPN or any number of other corporate organizations.
With them/they, it's always about the politics.
Note, that I was voted down for the innocuous comment I made in response to you.
I have posted about the Koch brothers here and not been downvoted. It seems that what you are experiencing must be something personal. I have upvoted you but I suspect that that is little or no consolation, so pay no heed to negativity and just post what you think is right and true here.
Never Give Up On The 99%! Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.
I would believe the real difference is that I have no qualms with pointing out their connections to libe(R)tarians and their anti 99% causes.
(They founded "American" libe(R)tarianism, and their father founded the John Birch Society)
As well as the many organizations they use to achieve their activism. there are some here who refuse to believe, they are activists at all.
My guess, is that they see you as harmless to those causes.
So I'll consider myself damned with faint praise then! I'm guessing that 'harm' is as 'ha(R)m' does.
http://www.nationofchange.org/shifting-public-focus-symptoms-systemic-corruption-root-problem-1400162933
Never Give Up 'Harming' The Powerful 1%! Republican or Democrat! Occupy The True 99% Issues!
Just be sure to NEVER mention this.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
And NEVER, NEVER ask how much of it is in place after all those years.
'Judge who stopped Wisconsin campaign finance probe tied to Koch funded junkets' -
http://www.nationofchange.org/judge-who-stopped-wisconsin-campaign-finance-probe-tied-koch-funded-junkets-1401261725
'The federal judge who ordered an end to an investigation into possible illegal campaign coordination between Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and conservative groups during two recent recall elections regularly attended expenses-paid judicial conferences sponsored by conservative organizations including the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation — groups that have funded efforts against campaign finance reform.'
Never Give Up Exposing The Kochs & Their Corrupted Kind! Occupy Transparency!
Bernie news
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/marco-rubio-and-bernie-sanders-brawl-over-need-for-law-holding-va-accountable/
There's few around here who like Bernie anymore, now that he's told the truth.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
They've been ignoring Greenwald's update too.
http://aattp.org/must-watch-alarming-expose-reveals-how-the-evil-koch-brothers-looted-america/
Fickle is a way of life for them.
Any effort to minimize the distractions (flame wars, personal attacks, excessive partisanship) Is worthwhile.
Great links. I will post current info later, no time now
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elfin forest between plateaus grow dry in san diego will blow to flame or burn tomorrow. Burn and grow is inlaid or the cycle of the land
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hey, do you mind answering my question about why my points are frozen! who did this and why - and why don't you have the decency to answer the question?
Activists against Kochs!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/01/1333639/-Activists-fight-Kochs-North-Carolina-voter-nbsp-suppression?detail=email
"This is a regionally based effort, with local volunteers that can build relationships and do the work on the ground to combat the Kochs. And they're not alone. For example, CREDO SuperPAC is in the state with a ground effort, and the Nuns on the Bus will take their bus tour to several North Carolina cities. This cycle, they're focusing on voter education and on canvassing in low-income neighborhoods to get out the vote. "
Solidarity with those challenging these corporatist libertarian extremists
Join us! We need you.
well thanks for that but wtf - how about something of substance on your debt question - no time??
Debating "the debt" is what tea party libertarians want. They ran it up so that they could make the argument/effort to cut all programs that help the 99%.
I prefer the counter argument that Occupy joined and resuscitated when we successfully moved the national dialogue away from the extremist right wing plan to "starve the beast" with forced cuts and phony fear mongering on "the debt", & engaged with demands for an end to pro corporatist policies, investing in people, correcting economic equality, & personal debt relief, tax justice. etc.....
Kochs, ALEC, AynRandism, extreme libertarianism, ultra conservative policies are the reason for this economic disaster victimizing the 99%.
"the debt" can be paid by the 1% who created & benefit most from it.
F@ck the debt, I say discuss the occupy supported issues thataffect the 99%.
Join us! We need you.
I did.
Why are you spamming me?
Will you be calling me names again too?
Are you going to answer the question I posed to you in my response to your question?
I ask, because it's a tiresome tradition with you not to.
Koch/Bernie update
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/05/15/the-insiders-bernie-sanders-vs-the-koch-brothers/
FYI & a bump
Hush now.
Folks around here, only pretend to like Sen. Sanders.
He makes far too much sense, and would be considered a "parDisan" around here.
It's hard for them to understand that sometimes, reality is "parDisan".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qewu698dG0A&feature=youtu.be
And whatever you do, don't tell the truth about libe(R)tarians.
They really, really HATE and FEAR that.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
Libe(R)tarians, the ultimate cult of co-option. Worldwide.
Bernie rules!
They are likes roaches, scatter when the lights are on them As irrelevant and easily managed.
Appreciate the heads up.
You'll notice of course, that they actually ignore everything Bernie says?
more reason Bernies name be kept up top.
Never ask Bernie's question.
"What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
The REAL pa(R)tisans around here will have a cow or two.
Koch destruction is never ending
http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/20/news/economy/koch-brothers-detroit-bankruptcy/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/koch-brothers-movie_n_5353595.html
bumped
http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/05/shocker-koch-brothers-working-to-scuttle-detroit-bankruptcy-settlement.html
And of course never mention what they are up to these days.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/05/shocker-koch-brothers-working-to-scuttle-detroit-bankruptcy-settlement.html
On the other hand, the lesser brother does hit a few set backs.
http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/05/detroit-storage-facility-denied-permit-to-store-petcoke-on-bank-of-detroit-river.html
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/illinois/chicago/ag-sues-over-pet-coke-pollution-in-chicago/article_3f8250fe-ea5c-5e96-953b-1a1c6cc0eaa3.html
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Trust Bernie on Koch Bros
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/21/sanders-koch-brothers-_n_5366983.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
update!
Only one cow, for now.
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Robert Reich reacts.
"If wealth and income weren’t already so concentrated in the hands of a few, the shameful “McCutcheon” decision by the five Republican appointees to the Supreme Court wouldn’t be as dangerous. But by taking “Citizen’s United” one step further and effectively eviscerating campaign finance laws, the Court has issued an invitation to oligarchy."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/04
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/22907-is-charles-koch-un-american-let-thomas-jefferson-decide
http://occupywallstreet.net/story/how-supreme-court-just-legalized-money-laundering-rich-campaign-donors
Isn't it amazing and telling, how many around here have ignored this travesty?
"Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery, Money is Speech"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ignorance-is-Strength-Fre-by-Kathy-Malloy-Citizens_Equal_Money-As-Speech_Money-Buys-Power-140402-779.html
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Notice too, their complete lack of interest in this important thread, preferring instead to start a thread based on a conspiracy theory site.
Nary a comment from any of them on this nasty, one sided, SCOTUS decision.
No dissenting comments to the thread by the capitalist fried man guy, from them either.
Telling indeed, that they attacked you and me instead.
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I'd imagine they will try another change of subject.
Oblivious to the myriad links from Occupy I've provided.
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You mean like how someone always votes me down for posting an Occupy link and some asshole with conspiracy site shit gets top billing?
But they want to play like they are the only ones who know what it's all about?
I can recall them ganging up on people, but they forgot all about that.
I've gone back in the archive and seen the results of their nefarious behavior.
I've banned several of them multiple times and watched them come back again and again to perform the very same behaviors, all while still ignoring those Occupy links.
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These guys win.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/First-Ever-Political-Study-by-Eric-Zuesse-Conservatism_Conservatives_Greed_Republican-Hypocrisy-140402-75.html
Keep in mind that they paid for it. First it was the States, now it's the entire Nation.
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Did you notice the samers skipped this one?
https://occupywallst.org/forum/the-republican-plan-to-invalidate-scientific-resea/
There are folks in Occupy who know better than the samers do. It's what keeps me around.......:)
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I sure do hope so, but notice that it's an issue at an actual Occupy site.
They, unlike those around here, do seem to admit to certain very important differences.
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They chased everyone else off, and now they are trying to chase us off.
Puppets and bots and obsessive behaviors is all they have.
It's the realization that what they say, isn't really what Occupy is all about that keeps me here.
http://www.occupy.com/article/how-supreme-court-legalized-money-laundering-very-rich-donors
They are not the arbiters of truth, that they think they are.
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We should all take the test?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/inquiring-minds-john-hibbing-physiology-ideology
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What does that make of the banned users who continue to post, knowing that all they do is add auto-blocked comments?
I call it insanity. Libe(R)topian bullshit.
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Kind of like their obsession with leaders, while claiming a desire for leaderlessness.
Bullshit works as a term too.
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Former Justice responds
http://www.occupy.com/article/justice-stevens-says-highest-court-has-taken-%E2%80%9Cgiant-step-wrong-direction%E2%80%9D
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Did you notice yet, that a certain faction around here, attacked you and I, yet said not a single word about this?
Not a single word on the decision that gutted affirmative action either.
Nope, they posted some crap about Hilary, just like Limbaugh did after Chelsea announced her pregnancy. Just to get You wound up.
But this stuff?
The important stuff?
Not a fucking word.
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No point in worrying about SCOTUS, unless it had something to do with the ACA.
Now that got their reaction, but this stuff?
LOL, as ignored as Citizens United, these days.
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Somebody in Occupy, actually gives a shit.
There's still a few left here that do too.
Others, not so much.
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Now you know why the Koch network is fucking HUGE, and don't for a moment forget about the SPN.
All those "think tanks/lobby's" just waiting to further corrupt what's left of Democracy.
All those entities, thirsting to suck up all that money.
money that we paid to them, for their "products andf services".
Like I've said before.
If you are making enough money to buy government, you are making far too much money.
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Perhaps we the people, are the ones who should find a way to commoditize oxygen, before they do.
Then we could be the ones to mete it out as we see fit, instead of them finding a way to charge us for it.
After all, they don't think access to clean water is a right. Air about the same thing and they as just as busy poisoning that too.
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We should be approving of this ruling as it allows for free speech. If we want to further our cause then we must unite.
You really must stop talking to your dollar bills.
sorry to be off topic but I want to make one more (polite) attempt to move this forum in a better direction. I assume we can agree that it could improve. I am just now listening to Chomsky's latest interview (no I am not name dropping - I know how that is one - among many - of you "issues" - ok, maybe that was not so polite but it had to be said!). noam said -"I consider it a truism that the more privilege one has the more responsibility one has. it is elementary, in every domain." you have power and privilege on this site shooz. now you must - and I repeat must take your responsibility. you know what that means - I hope. if you don't just shoot me a pm and I will enlighten you.
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Wow