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Forum Post: Bernie Reacts to the SCOTUS Support of the Kochs

Posted 3 months ago on April 2, 2014, 5:23 p.m. EST by shooz (17782)
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Yes, according to libe(R)tarians. money IS everything.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) blasted the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on Wednesday to abolish overall federal campaign spending limits, meaning that wealthy individuals now have carte blanche to spend as much as they like to affect the outcomes of federal elections.

“Freedom of speech, in my view, does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government,” said Sanders in a statement.

Wednesday’s 5-to-4 Court vote struck down limits on total amounts that individual donors can contribute to parties, candidates and political action committees within a two-year federal election cycle."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/02/bernie-sanders-supreme-court-is-paving-the-way-to-an-oligarchic-society/

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[-] 2 points by nazihunter (317) 3 months ago

Thank God there's one guy who says what needs to be said. Bernie-I tip my Long Trail Mostly Cloudy to you, sir. Every congressman/Senators' website needs to get jammed with a hearty 'wtf' Mine's getting one. Raw Story has lotsa good shit. Thanks for the point.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (1520) 2 months ago

Sanders will go ballistic when he hears about this!:

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/05/23/republicans-give-money-power-elections-suing-fec-operate-superpacs.html

Blatant attack on voting rights of the 99%

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[-] 1 points by 99nproud (1520) 2 months ago

"Kochs exposed!" All should see:

The screening:

http://blogs.rollcall.com/hill-blotter/koch-brothers-exposed-screening-pelosi-reid-no-questions/?dcz=

FYI & shameless bump

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[-] -1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Bernie? Didn't you notice how few of those people who like to say they "love Bernie", didn't say a word in a thread based on what Bernie actually says? None.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (317) 3 months ago

I can believe it. If the dems want any donations without calling this crap out, like Bernie, they'd better think twice and, that has always been their problem. They think we don't notice, but we do. As a matter of fact, I send cash to AARP, and AL. I'm going to tell them, no calling this shout out LOUDLY, no cash. It's like Al pointed out in his book - liberal talk C O N S E R V A T I V E T A L K. Because then the corporations won't give them any cash. However, I do notice 'the great disconnect' with people every day. I think it's time to find out who these corporations are and putting them on parade.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

I'm attacked for doing that.

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

But there ya' go.

ALEC, destroying Democracy, one State at a time.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (317) 3 months ago

Thanks. I got it bookmarked. I'll give the culprits the exposure they so richly deserve.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

So where's those guys that can tell us how this decision fits into their duopoly theory?

I've asked them to do that for what's happening in Michigan. they failed.

This is a BIG one that they should easily fit into their theory, if indeed there's any reality to their theory.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (317) 3 months ago

They're a tenacious bunch. It is definitely not easy. You may need to get me that first link again. I told flip I wouldn't pick on him no more if he agreed to being bipolar. But, I'd like to read it for myself.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (317) 2 months ago

Thanks. Can't these guys find another country to destroy? In fact, another planet would be even better.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (1520) 2 months ago

https://movetoamend.org/ is more than 1/2 way to the goal of eliminating the disaster of corp influence on our representatives

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (317) 2 months ago

Good deal. I'll put it one person past 1/2.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (1520) 2 months ago

Koch against immigration (w/ other assorted enemies of the 99%) meeting to plan our demise

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/conservatives-seek-to-regain-control-of-republican-agenda/2014/05/15/aaa20c80-dc6e-11e3-bda1-9b46b2066796_story.html?wpmk=MK0000203

Glad you are counted against the Kochs

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[-] 2 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Occupy reacts.

"The supreme court has struck down limits on individual campaign contributions, ruling that federal caps on combined donations to candidates, parties and political action committees are an unconstitutional infringement on free speech"

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Kai Newkirk responds.

"KAI NEWKIRK IS RAISING AN ARMY TO GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS"

http://www.vice.com/read/kai-newkirk-is-raising-an-army-to-get-money-out-of-politics

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago
[-] 7 points by Ache4Change (3280) 3 months ago

Yes, let's hope and OWS and The 99% must organise around this matter. Please see - ''McCutcheon Should Become A Rallying Cry for A Campaign to ‘End the Rule of Money’'', by K. Zeese & M. Flowers : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38198.htm - it is an excellent article that all with OWS sympathies should read. Never Give Up! Occupy Solidarity!

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3280) 3 months ago

'McCutcheon Should Become A Rallying Cry for A Campaign to ‘End the Rule of Money’ by Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers (alternate link - as requested :) - http://www.alternet.org/activism/mccutcheon-should-become-rallying-cry-campaign-end-rule-money - Never, Ever Give Up The 99% Struggle! Occupy Solidarity & also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/open-letter-governor-massachusetts-his-support-authority-supreme-court-make-its-mccutcheon-ruling-13 .

[-] 2 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

oh heck, it's water under the bridge now.......snark.

It's 15 minutes is over.

The flood gates have been flung open wide.

http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/04/breaking-dick-devos-threatening-republicans-who-dont-support-eaa-expansion-with-massive-financial-support-of-primary-opponents.html

How are they doing with legalized bribery in your State?

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3280) 2 months ago

'They are literally buying our government, one legislator at a time. It is my hope that Republicans in the Senate will be as offended as the rest of us by this blatant attempt to extort their votes. Anyone who values our American democracy and who values the principals of a representative, one-person/one-vote republic should be outraged at this.' - is how your link ends. Sadly The Republican Party is utterly shameless, in Michigan, Ohio and everywhere else. On the matter of the Koch Brothers, see -

http://www.salon.com/2014/04/29/the_real_secret_to_beating_the_koch_brothers_how_our_broken_political_system_can_still_be_overcome/

Never Give Up Exposing The Corruption Of The Political Process. Occupy Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

I've lost over 3,000 points in the last couple of months, for saying exactly that.

The Koch's?

I guess that's who employs them, as they really don't like me pointing out their activism.

Remember all the arguments over public unions and pensions in the early days of the forum? All the libe(R)tarian arguments against them?

Well, those folks never left. They just changed their tune a bit, but their masters are still VERY busy on that account.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/04/25/14662/koch-brothers-major-corporations-sponsor-pension-reform-seminar-judges

[-] 7 points by Ache4Change (3280) 2 months ago

What 'them and they'? I'm not sure that I really understand you. Public pensions are opposed by Wall Street because they can't pilfer them as easily and Wall Street has captured both the electoral options. Where does that leave The 99%? I'll look at your link later and try to get back to you. Never Give Up! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

Them/they are those that have been intent on rabidly downvoting those who post information on the Koch's, ALEC, the SPN or any number of other corporate organizations.

With them/they, it's always about the politics.

Note, that I was voted down for the innocuous comment I made in response to you.

[-] 8 points by Ache4Change (3280) 2 months ago

I have posted about the Koch brothers here and not been downvoted. It seems that what you are experiencing must be something personal. I have upvoted you but I suspect that that is little or no consolation, so pay no heed to negativity and just post what you think is right and true here.

Never Give Up On The 99%! Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

I would believe the real difference is that I have no qualms with pointing out their connections to libe(R)tarians and their anti 99% causes.

(They founded "American" libe(R)tarianism, and their father founded the John Birch Society)

As well as the many organizations they use to achieve their activism. there are some here who refuse to believe, they are activists at all.

My guess, is that they see you as harmless to those causes.

[-] 7 points by Ache4Change (3280) 2 months ago

So I'll consider myself damned with faint praise then! I'm guessing that 'harm' is as 'ha(R)m' does.

http://www.nationofchange.org/shifting-public-focus-symptoms-systemic-corruption-root-problem-1400162933

Never Give Up 'Harming' The Powerful 1%! Republican or Democrat! Occupy The True 99% Issues!

[-] 2 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

Just be sure to NEVER mention this.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

And NEVER, NEVER ask how much of it is in place after all those years.

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3280) 1 month ago

'Judge who stopped Wisconsin campaign finance probe tied to Koch funded junkets' -

http://www.nationofchange.org/judge-who-stopped-wisconsin-campaign-finance-probe-tied-koch-funded-junkets-1401261725

'The federal judge who ordered an end to an investigation into possible illegal campaign coordination between Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and conservative groups during two recent recall elections regularly attended expenses-paid judicial conferences sponsored by conservative organizations including the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation — groups that have funded efforts against campaign finance reform.'

Never Give Up Exposing The Kochs & Their Corrupted Kind! Occupy Transparency!

[-] -2 points by shooz (17782) 1 month ago

There's few around here who like Bernie anymore, now that he's told the truth.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

They've been ignoring Greenwald's update too.

http://aattp.org/must-watch-alarming-expose-reveals-how-the-evil-koch-brothers-looted-america/

Fickle is a way of life for them.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (1520) 1 month ago

Any effort to minimize the distractions (flame wars, personal attacks, excessive partisanship) Is worthwhile.

Great links. I will post current info later, no time now

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[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 months ago

elfin forest between plateaus grow dry in san diego will blow to flame or burn tomorrow. Burn and grow is inlaid or the cycle of the land

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[-] 1 points by flip (5403) 2 months ago

hey, do you mind answering my question about why my points are frozen! who did this and why - and why don't you have the decency to answer the question?

[-] -2 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

I did.

Why are you spamming me?

Will you be calling me names again too?

Are you going to answer the question I posed to you in my response to your question?

I ask, because it's a tiresome tradition with you not to.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

Hush now.

Folks around here, only pretend to like Sen. Sanders.

He makes far too much sense, and would be considered a "parDisan" around here.

It's hard for them to understand that sometimes, reality is "parDisan".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qewu698dG0A&feature=youtu.be

And whatever you do, don't tell the truth about libe(R)tarians.

They really, really HATE and FEAR that.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

Libe(R)tarians, the ultimate cult of co-option. Worldwide.

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (1520) 2 months ago

Bernie rules!

They are likes roaches, scatter when the lights are on them As irrelevant and easily managed.

Appreciate the heads up.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

You'll notice of course, that they actually ignore everything Bernie says?

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (1520) 2 months ago

more reason Bernies name be kept up top.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17782) 2 months ago

Never ask Bernie's question.

"What Do the Koch Brothers Want?"

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

The REAL pa(R)tisans around here will have a cow or two.

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[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Robert Reich reacts.

"If wealth and income weren’t already so concentrated in the hands of a few, the shameful “McCutcheon” decision by the five Republican appointees to the Supreme Court wouldn’t be as dangerous. But by taking “Citizen’s United” one step further and effectively eviscerating campaign finance laws, the Court has issued an invitation to oligarchy."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/04

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/how-supreme-court-just-legalized-money-laundering-rich-campaign-donors

Isn't it amazing and telling, how many around here have ignored this travesty?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

it's a fine definition since they are absolutely chock full of it.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Notice too, their complete lack of interest in this important thread, preferring instead to start a thread based on a conspiracy theory site.

Nary a comment from any of them on this nasty, one sided, SCOTUS decision.

No dissenting comments to the thread by the capitalist fried man guy, from them either.

Telling indeed, that they attacked you and me instead.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

fuk these conservative minions and traitorous scum.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

I'd imagine they will try another change of subject.

Oblivious to the myriad links from Occupy I've provided.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

I'm sure they are not oblivious at all - I'm sure they pay very close attention to everything you post.

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[-] -1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

You mean like how someone always votes me down for posting an Occupy link and some asshole with conspiracy site shit gets top billing?

But they want to play like they are the only ones who know what it's all about?

I can recall them ganging up on people, but they forgot all about that.

I've gone back in the archive and seen the results of their nefarious behavior.

I've banned several of them multiple times and watched them come back again and again to perform the very same behaviors, all while still ignoring those Occupy links.

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

I don't doubt they are paid shjlls. Too bad they can't be tracked down, handed a no trespass order . . . and get a complete break down of their financial activity so we can see exactly who is paying them. or him. or it . . .

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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

it is insane - the only people who benefit are the ad agencies and the media. Everyone else loses.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

These guys win.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/First-Ever-Political-Study-by-Eric-Zuesse-Conservatism_Conservatives_Greed_Republican-Hypocrisy-140402-75.html

Keep in mind that they paid for it. First it was the States, now it's the entire Nation.

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[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

So, now it is indisputable where they stand, now we need more clarity around the success of their efforts in advocating for their issues, followed by an in depth analysis regarding the impact of their success on the nation's security.

I'm certain once complete it will be clear - conservatism presents a clear and present danger . . .

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Did you notice the samers skipped this one?

https://occupywallst.org/forum/the-republican-plan-to-invalidate-scientific-resea/

There are folks in Occupy who know better than the samers do. It's what keeps me around.......:)

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

How did I miss this post? Lamar Alexander - Looks like one more lame ass repelican who has shot their own credibility all to hell. Hopefully the U.S. ditches these lying dirtbags A.S.A.P.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

I sure do hope so, but notice that it's an issue at an actual Occupy site.

They, unlike those around here, do seem to admit to certain very important differences.

[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

It really sucks that these banksters minions were able to infiltrate and we've never been able to get rid of them.

I do so wish they would have car accidents . . . . and other things . . .

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

They chased everyone else off, and now they are trying to chase us off.

Puppets and bots and obsessive behaviors is all they have.

It's the realization that what they say, isn't really what Occupy is all about that keeps me here.

http://www.occupy.com/article/how-supreme-court-legalized-money-laundering-very-rich-donors

They are not the arbiters of truth, that they think they are.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

shit shovellers more like it. I guess they just can't see the tide coming in from where they are.

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

"The same political parties which now agitate the United States, have existed through all time," wrote Jefferson. "The terms of Whig and Tory belong to natural, as well as to civil history," he later added. "They denote the temper and constitution of mind of different individuals."

Well yeah, that's kinda what I've been saying.

  • "They denote the temper and constitution of mind of different individuals."

yeah - they separate the sociopaths from the rest of us.

Conservatives are a bunch of terrified children, with a thirst for more toys to help assuage their terror.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

What does that make of the banned users who continue to post, knowing that all they do is add auto-blocked comments?

I call it insanity. Libe(R)topian bullshit.

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

insanity is a great definition. it's all fear based behavior.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Kind of like their obsession with leaders, while claiming a desire for leaderlessness.

Bullshit works as a term too.

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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

he is very explicit in his remarks:

In other words what we have witnessed is a case of conservative judicial activism - something they constantly accuse liberals of.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Did you notice yet, that a certain faction around here, attacked you and I, yet said not a single word about this?

Not a single word on the decision that gutted affirmative action either.

Nope, they posted some crap about Hilary, just like Limbaugh did after Chelsea announced her pregnancy. Just to get You wound up.

But this stuff?

The important stuff?

Not a fucking word.

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[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

No I know - they are liars and frauds. Intent on steering the entire leftist community away from the ballot box as a whole.

They know very well how best to preserve the corporatist grip on power.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

No point in worrying about SCOTUS, unless it had something to do with the ACA.

Now that got their reaction, but this stuff?

LOL, as ignored as Citizens United, these days.

[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

I confess that in my rush I did not pay attention to the fact that this was an Occupy.com rerun of an NYT article.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Somebody in Occupy, actually gives a shit.

There's still a few left here that do too.

Others, not so much.

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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

I hate these repelican mutherfukers, I really do, but when you really consider it -

  • The current cap on spending per individual is a limit of $123,200 per cycle. That includes a separate $48,600 on individual donations to particular candidates.

I'm not sure what the removal of the cap actually means. It's already so far beyond the average campaign donation that I just don't know . . . and on the flip side, maybe this will be the last straw in moving the campaign to pass an Amendment forward.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Now you know why the Koch network is fucking HUGE, and don't for a moment forget about the SPN.

All those "think tanks/lobby's" just waiting to further corrupt what's left of Democracy.

All those entities, thirsting to suck up all that money.

money that we paid to them, for their "products andf services".

Like I've said before.

If you are making enough money to buy government, you are making far too much money.

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

If you are making enough money to buy government, you are making far too much money.

I'd say the fukers are breathing far too much - and that shit's just gotta stop.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

Perhaps we the people, are the ones who should find a way to commoditize oxygen, before they do.

Then we could be the ones to mete it out as we see fit, instead of them finding a way to charge us for it.

After all, they don't think access to clean water is a right. Air about the same thing and they as just as busy poisoning that too.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13362) from South Burlington, VT 3 months ago

I think they already tried something like that - sort of - cigarettes? First they sell ya shit that inhibits your capacity to survive without enriched O2. Then they sell you the O2.

[-] -3 points by puff6964 (-33) 3 months ago

We should be approving of this ruling as it allows for free speech. If we want to further our cause then we must unite.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17782) 3 months ago

You really must stop talking to your dollar bills.

[-] 0 points by flip (5403) 3 months ago

sorry to be off topic but I want to make one more (polite) attempt to move this forum in a better direction. I assume we can agree that it could improve. I am just now listening to Chomsky's latest interview (no I am not name dropping - I know how that is one - among many - of you "issues" - ok, maybe that was not so polite but it had to be said!). noam said -"I consider it a truism that the more privilege one has the more responsibility one has. it is elementary, in every domain." you have power and privilege on this site shooz. now you must - and I repeat must take your responsibility. you know what that means - I hope. if you don't just shoot me a pm and I will enlighten you.

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[-] -2 points by 99nproud (1520) 2 months ago

Wow