Forum Post: Bernie Getting Sucked into "The Club"
Posted 9 years ago on Nov. 12, 2015, 7:54 a.m. EST by turbocharger
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This is why this is such a horrific strategy. I understand he is going the Ron Paul route of trying to really mobilize more people than win an election, but man. This is just disappointing to hear.
“Barack Obama is a friend of mine. I think he’s been a very strong president and has taken this country … in a very positive way.”
What? Really Bernie?
This is the things. Ron Paul thought he was creating a real liberty movement in the previous election. He did a good job of raising the issue, but not in any solutions.
Bernie is doing a good job in raising progressive issues. But there wont be any solutions if he wins because he is rolling with the machine, and quite frankly, just like Ron, the machine is not going to let some old man slow it down.
So at the end everyone feels good for a minute, and then after the election the machine rolls along. Just look at the last 8 years after the horrific Bush experience. That after the putrid Clinton experience.
You dont join the mob to then turn the mob into a bunch of caring human beings. You take them out. Or you just end up getting played as usual.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/11/08/bernie-sanders-i-am-a-democrat-now/
the only way Bernie will win... is by mobilizing a grass-roots movement which will also replace the corrupt from the the state and federal houses ... Almost everything Bernie talks about is early OWS !! taken right from this site and other Occupy sites ...
@BernieSanders #FeelTheBern #Bernie2016 www.berniesanders.com
Put your money where your mouth is folks. Bernie is for real.
You're right, Brad, he's saying what we've been saying for years, and this is our big chance. Peace and Solidarity!
Too bad for Bernie that the DNC primaries has nothing to do with votes and everything to do with who will play ball with the brokers.
Otherwise I'd say he has a chance. But he doesn't, and he knows he doesn't. NBC just released a poll saying Clinton widening lead in Iowa.
Theres a reason no one else is running for the Dems. Its basically like a midterm primary for the incumbent- its a given.
Bernie is going to WIN !!! simple !!! Bernie's platform is straight out of OWS !!
no WAR
The issues have a lot of overlap, yes. Of course the anarchists, libertarians and socialists - real socialists, not this state sponsored garbage- have much different views on things than Bernie.
But the overall strategy of achievement is the exact opposite. Build from within vs build from outside. Very very very different tactics.
All the Bernie supporters are going to find out what OWS knew from the beginning.
Besides, he already stated he would support a war criminal if he doesnt get the nod. Who the fucks says shit like that? I mean, honestly, I liked Bernie, he was an outsider, but man, what a fuckin sell out.
been in government 40 years
I know you hope Bernie doesn't win because he will raise your taxes, and Ron Paul is a f'ing idiot.
Think of the upside. If Bernie actually does win the primary, though, like Obama, will end up toeing the party line, he'll at least be taking out the Evil 1%'s darling hag Hillary. Evil will then have to do damage control with egg on their face.
“Barack Obama is a friend of mine. I think he’s been a very strong president and has taken this country … in a very positive way. What? Really Bernie?''
NO. 'NOT Really' really - but it's the politics/polytricks of duopoly and race (not class!) at the moment. I get your points, especially when you've said - ''So at the end everyone feels good for a minute, and then after the election the machine rolls along.'' and I too fear that this is exactly what will happen BUT it is 6 months until April ... when the choice between HRC & BS wil be made and so .. less than a year to The POTUS election so, Bernie'll have to say things like that because Oblah-blah still has his fans and there is little or no real political value in Bernie upsetting them at this late juncture.
I understand a lot of the things that you say and why you say them and agree that a bottom-up strategy of 99% Grassroots Empowerment Politics is what is really necessary for a - ''Political Revolution'' in the U$A but Sanders is way more - ''Real 99% Issues'' focussed than any US Politician since OWS started and for 2+ generations, I'd argue. I too would rather he'd stood as an Independent - just like he'd been in Vermont for 30 years but there's no magic wand to change that now as that's the calculation he's made.
I am very deeply suspicious of The DNC and their motives and machinations but I'll be supporting Bernie Sanders - The Man but NOT The Democraps, The DNC or even 'Liberal Politics', for these next 6 & even possibly 12 months. At this point ''the mob'' may be too big to take out .. but they can be infiltrated with 99% Truths like the need and preference for Universal Healthcare and Debt-Free-Education etc.& a need for a ''Political Revolution'' in The U$A, that needs to start - like .. yesterday!
Politics is an expression of Culture and that does not change over night but I agree with Noam Chomsky in that I too believe that deep societal and yes ... Revolutionary - change CAN happen in one generation (20-25 years) and so we start from where we are at and not where we'd want to be. 6-12 months is NOT long enough to institute deep seated changes in a 'conservatized country' like the US but there can and has to be a wider, longer term movement for that. Right now and for the next 6 months at least, The Left has to run an Insurgent Campaign .. NOT for The Democraps or the fkn Rightwing DNC & Dem-Pols-On-The-Hill but for The US 99%; for OWS Principles and so - yes ... for a Bernie Sanders 2016 POTUS run.
Yes, Bernie Sanders has strengths and weaknesses, just like anyone but his strengths far outweigh the weaknesses (mainly re.The US-MIC War Machine and Foreign Policy) from the p-o-v of The US 99% but Senator Sanders doesn't have to pretend to be anything that he's not, as he's been patiently & diligently singing his tune for 40+ years and so he doesn't have to remember what he has to say. Note that this is why Corporate Dems and the co-opted Corporate Co-opted DNC have started soiling their underwear, as Thom Hartmann explains in the first part of this excellent, recent episode of his ''The Big Picture'' show..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-S-dpgZBmY ('The Big Picture' w/TH)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltNaDDQZ07k {''Heist'' narrated by TH}
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/ [Speaks for itself really]
respice; adspice; prospice ...
MSM putting The Hag ahead by almost 2-1 margin over Sanders.
Perception is reality, which is why I'm so pissed at Bernie for joining the thugs instead of helping us all carve a new path.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-maintains-lead-among-democrats-cbs-newsny-times-poll/
US-MSM is the thing 'Not To Trust' here & perception can feel like, reality ... until reality bites! I get what you say but 6-12 months is just NOT enough time to organise a Mass Mobilisation Movement of actively engaged citizens to organize a serious 3rd Party Challenge for 2016 but it may happen for 2020 or 2024!
Anyone who wants a ''Political Revolution'' in The U$A, has to see beyond the next election cycle. Also, of course the Corporate MSM love Hitlary, the ''Neocon's Neocon''; Neoliberal Bankster-Enabler and also a Desperate Millionaire Wannabe ... but just get that Corporate Banker Loving bitch torpedoed below the water-line and limping before sinking - and almost anything is possible! Trump/Rubio v Sanders/Warren?
From your link, I'll quote this - ''Still, with less than three months to go before the start of the nominating contests, half of Democratic primary voters say it is too early to say that their minds are made up about which candidate they will support. Clinton's backers, however, are more firm in their choice (54 percent) than those supporting Sanders (42 percent).'' So lots to play for with BS as the most Occupy candidate!
Also .. ''Clinton has a large advantage with women, but just a narrow lead among men. Sanders has the edge with Democrats under age 45, but Clinton has a 41-point lead over Sanders among those who are older. Clinton gets strong support from self-identified Democrats (63 percent), while Sen. Sanders leads among independents (54 percent) who plan to vote in a Democratic primary.''Time to get the kids voting!
HRC leads re.65+ but Bernie just got Postal Workers' Union support & is big with <45 age group, which in & of itself - speaks to how she appeals to the instinctively Conservative & he to the youth & The 99%.
I just watched some CBS via your link and they are eulogising a book about George HW Bush! Fk that! However it gave insight into just how RWNJ Corporate MSM is! + Do try http://www.democracynow.org/
spero meliora ...
The Oh-bummer presidency could have been so much MORE for the people - IF - the people had put others into office that would have supported positive change "FOR" the people - BUT INSTEAD - the people dropped the ball and did not - see to - the other offices in government and Oh-bummer got into office and stayed in office for a second term with a roadblocking lock-stepped GOP looking out to protect the monied interests.
Bernie is asking the people to look at all offices and get people in to offices that will support the people - he is not saying he can do it all by himself.
Actually, the 08 election was basically a sweep. Then instead of doing something for two years straight, they all did the same shit as usual. And it was all by design.
You think those fuckers in Congress give two shits about you? You think your local governor and mayor give a shit what happens to you personally?
This entire thing is a joke.