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Forum Post: Be Thankful for the United States

Posted 2 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 7:14 p.m. EST by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA
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50% of the world lives on $2 a day or less. People in Africa are starving. In some countries like England they spend tax payer money on a King and Queen that did nothing to earn their title. Mexicans die trying to cross our border just to work hard and make less than 90% of the Americans. People have family members dying of cancer, and you consider taking money from the rich instead of being thankful for how good the US really is.

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[-] 3 points by RockyJ (208) 2 years ago

There really is no reason for people in Africa to be starving, when we have enough resources to feed all of us.

[-] 1 points by rulesdontapply (27) 2 years ago

We send food and money to many Africa counties, the problem is the governments of those counties just pocket it. Trade is the best way to help the people of these counties.

[-] 1 points by RockyJ (208) 2 years ago

How about teaching them how to farm & providing education?

[-] 1 points by rulesdontapply (27) 2 years ago

Well, that helps too.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

Do you want to pay for it?

[-] 3 points by radical22 (113) 2 years ago

So we should just be thankful, and give a pass to greed, unethical practices and fraud? Nice logical argument.

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 2 years ago

Fraud is illegal. Those people should be going to jail.

Greed and being immoral are not illegal. There are plenty of greedy people who are not rich.

[-] 1 points by radical22 (113) 2 years ago

We only care about the immoral greedy people who ruined the universe

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 2 years ago

plenty of 99%ers who are also at fault by taking on debt they could not repay

[-] 1 points by radical22 (113) 2 years ago

True, but I am talking about the debt which is designed to blow up in your face, like teaser rate balloon mortgages which Wall Street was paid bonuses on the orgination of those loans and could care less whether or not they later went into default.

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 2 years ago

i have no pity for idiots

[-] 1 points by radical22 (113) 2 years ago

Should we be scamming ignorant people with complex loan docs designed to enrich wall street and put them in the street? Why did we subsidize the bailout? Why are their entitlements for Wall street? They are big boys. ha ha-- really they are pussies.

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 2 years ago

agreed, those companies should have failed just like those people should be held accountable to the contracts they signed

i buy a car, it depreciates in value as soon as i drive it off the lot. why do people expect their home value to increase over time and that they can just walk away from a contract when it doesn't.

[-] 1 points by radical22 (113) 2 years ago

I heard you had pity for George Bush

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 2 years ago

well, he is from texas after all

[-] 1 points by radical22 (113) 2 years ago

It must be great to be the smartest person in the world

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 2 years ago

not the smartest person in the world, it just takes a little common sense and some research

i understand charity and wanting to help poor people get houses, it is noble, but that doesn't mean we as a society should be subsidizing at risk home loans

[-] 2 points by StellaB (6) from Boulder, CO 2 years ago

What nonsense!!! This country is not such a paradise as you think. There are better ones which take better care of their citizens. Your comment about England is so stupid that it isn't worth discussing. What do you really know about benefits that England provide to it's residents versus US? Obviously nothing. May be you are simply brain washed? Who knows...

[-] 0 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

if there are better countries than America move there, Because of America succeeding as a democracy people have more of a say in governments all around the world, because countries like england were waiting for t our democracy to blow up in our faces and it didnt

[-] 1 points by freewriterguy (882) 2 years ago

good point and perspective

[-] 1 points by Kulafarmer (82) from Kula, HI 2 years ago

Its a great country, we all have the ability to achieve great things. The political machine and washington is the problem, that is where the change needs to start. But make no mistake, government is not meant to feed and house and take care of everybody, the country was founded on the belief that we should have opportunity, not that we should act like crabs in a barrel. Fix the machine, field representatives and build their support base.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

the problem is washington not the private sector

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

the problem is washington not the private sector

[-] 1 points by morriden (128) from Burton, MI 2 years ago

People in Africa are starving because of countries like the US explotiing them. The taxes in England are excessive I agree. Mexicans these days are returning to Mexico because of our own stupidity and China is paying Mexicans to learn Manderin chinese. People are dying of cancer because of our own government sancting products which cause it. I am glad I was born here, but the American dream is dead or on its last legs.

We are entering a new phase where Nationality is being demolished. Where we need to see where we live as a planetary unit from which we must progress.

Its ok... change is inevitable, growth is optional.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 2 years ago

"50% of the world lives on $2 a day or less." But they dont pay $2 for a loaf of bread, $4 for a gal of milk. In fact they often tote how you can feed one child in Africa for less than a dollar a day. It cost a dollar a day to feed my dog and he only weights 20lbs.

[-] 1 points by Quark (236) 2 years ago

idiot! your argument makes no sense. Something is not Good just because something is Worse. Maybe better but not Good. Get a clue! America sucks with fat idiots like you in denial about everything.

[-] 1 points by LazyJealousAnarchist (144) 2 years ago

You must have made this post from Afghanistan or Iraq, right? I mean, how thankful are you?

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

The effect of multinational corporations an the poor of the world is hard to overestimate. They are mostly are supported by the US. The patterns of consumption we have embraced are destroying our air and water, there's too. Check NAFTA about the Mexicanos, and what it has done. NAFTA is treason agains the US, so is GATT. Our government is so corrupt, and Americans are so fearfu land ignorant, they do not even realize that the entire BP Gulf leak was under GATT control, not EPA.

Be thankful for the US constitution and seek to defend it before the infiltrators of the US government destroy it and us, then go after the rest of the world. Consider cancers are caused by carcinogenic toxins and US spread of those is off the chart.

Support use of the constitution to defend the constitution, work for an Article V convention. Here are facts about it. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html Here is the overall political picture of the last 140 years. http://algoxy.com/poly/emergency_powers_statutes.html

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

i dont give a shit

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 2 years ago

How uncool. How unconstitutional. How un American. Media must have gotten to your heart and brain.

[-] 1 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

Oh thank you massa!! Thank you for the whip!!!

They whip us so much harder in other countries!!

[-] 1 points by Meeky (186) from Los Angeles, CA 2 years ago

Ah the "you got it good" card.

That is just another "opiate of the masses".

[-] 1 points by solraiser (26) 2 years ago

im happy that you make good money and have a degree but you miss the point of why these people fight..i work for an aerospace company, i make one of a kind airplane parts for one of the biggest companies in the world, but the funny thing is i dont even make $12hr and get a yearly raise based on 2% of my hourly wage, i pay for my insurance yet still have very high deductibles all the while the banks charge up to 30% interest when legally they can only charge 15% and also have plans to charge me for the use of my debit card in the near future...my point is that without people like me the rich would not have there planes to fly around in, so why must i go through such hardship just to gain a 20cent raise at the end of the year?

[-] 1 points by Fedup10 (228) 2 years ago

Thankfully we have the US Constitution to protect us from extreme views within the OWS folks. It will be tested and it will be sad to see the violence that I am afraid is on the way if the extremist take over the OWS movement

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

yes but what is bad is that these people think the constitution should be able to be altered

[-] 1 points by oldwhiteguy (9) 2 years ago

I love our country and hear from immigrants how grateful they are to be here. We want this to continue and improve. If change does not happen, we will lose our greatness.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

no if change happens we will lose motivation because we will have too much gurranteed to us

[-] 2 points by radical22 (113) 2 years ago

Why are you pro status quo? What has the status quo done for you? Maybe if your bonus $$ is based on lobbying Congress, then I would understand. Is it?

[-] 1 points by solraiser (26) 2 years ago

if we didnt need change then the world would not be asking for it.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

the world wants their lives easier not fairer and that is bad

[-] 1 points by solraiser (26) 2 years ago

who doesnt want a easier life? alls im saying is that we do need some sort of change because there are a lot of unhappy people and i am one of them, i dont mind to work hard, but what do i really get out of it? a bunch of medical problems and i high deductible.

[-] 1 points by OurTimes2011 (377) from Arlington, VA 2 years ago

We understand why you are frighted. Change is unnerving. This must be very difficult for you. You and the others who are posting negative comments on this forum are feeling threatened and uncertain. We understand. These are anxious times.Try to consider this from the perspective of those on "the other side" and then remember, THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE. There is one country, under God.

This is a new leaderless movement, barely one month old. It is messy and confusing, as it should be. 951 cities joined the protest today. If this were not an authentic movement, this would not have happened.

We have never seen anything like this in the entire history of the planet.

Join us.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

no the change you guys want is to screw the rich and that is not fair, im a 29 year old with a masters in finance making 60,000 a year which isnt very much for a masters degree

[-] 1 points by OurTimes2011 (377) from Arlington, VA 2 years ago

Wrong. 951 cities joined the protest yesterday. If this were not an authentic movement, this would not have happened. We have never seen anything like this in the entire history of the planet.

Join us.

[-] 1 points by Sonny (5) from Rensselaer, NY 2 years ago

$1 million dollars a year to keep an American Soldier in Afghanistan because US companies are war profiteering. $1 million each for the Drone bombs the CIA are dropping on civilians in Pakistan. Illegal immigrants kept in private prisons in this country for profit. Lobbists buying our elected officials and being bought by the richest bidder. Wars generated by GOP Echo chamber speak and hate mouths like Beck and Limbaugh that profit the rich and corporations and you want us to be "thankful"?

[-] 1 points by Cobalt23 (5) 2 years ago

Keep looking through those rose tinted glasses phila9012 . Reality Check :The American dream has turned into a nightmare. And JP Morgan and the likes are Freddy Kruegers. "Wake up now sunshine...time to work in the pits for your slave masters." www.kramlafup.com/occupy.html

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

if you dont have dreams how can you accoplish anything

[-] 1 points by spacemans (40) 2 years ago

When the americans first got here in the 18t to 20th century And the indeginous men faught and resisted down to the last man And all that were left were the women and children left and forced to learn there language then live with there racism and today America has the largest prison population in the world And a murder rate 2nd to india

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

that isnt my fault, europeans did way worse things than us. they had the 30 years war, they constantly fought for 1000 years. they forcably took over and colonized most of the world( why are there white people in brazil because the portaguese took it over. why are there why people in africa other than in the North when the indigenous people are all black because europe took it over and kill many people along the way and force the people to work for very little money

[-] 1 points by Sonny (5) from Rensselaer, NY 2 years ago

Oh yeah, Mexicans, Illegal immigrants. Who gets rich off them too?? http://www.infowars.com/illegal-immigrants-cash-cow-for-private-prison-corporations/

[-] 1 points by Sonny (5) from Rensselaer, NY 2 years ago

wow, i'm stunned. Turn off Fox news and turn on LinkTV. Instead of feeding back the same echo chamber, GOP and Koch brothers generated company speak perhaps you could actually listen and try to understand what the people around you are saying? Otherwise the alternative is surfdom and guess who the surfs are? This is class warfare and our attempt to take back our country and government from those that have bought it. If you don't get that then stay out of it, turn on your coporate syndicate show of choice and go back to sleep

[-] 1 points by Sonny (5) from Rensselaer, NY 2 years ago

wow, i'm stunned. Turn off Fox news and turn on LinkTV. Instead of feeding back the same echo chamber, GOP and Koch brothers generated company speak perhaps you could actually listen and try to understand what the people around you are saying? Otherwise the alternative is surfdom and guess who the surfs are? This is class warfare and our attempt to take back our country and government from those that have bought it. If you don't get that then stay out of it, turn on your coporate syndicate show of choice and go back to sleep

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

You guys are morons the reason we have jobs is because of those executives

[-] 1 points by RockyJ (208) 2 years ago

No that's not the reason and you must be one of those executives or you're a victim of their propaganda.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

You guys are morons the reason we have jobs is because of those executives

[-] 1 points by Lefty48197 (117) 2 years ago

American corporations are trying to FORCE us to live on $2 per day too. THAT'S what we're fighting against.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

no they arent you're trying to say that so that you can get money from the rich you want to have heavily taxed

[-] 1 points by Lefty48197 (117) 2 years ago

No.... What I'm really saying is that Republicans have been cutting taxes for corporations and wealthy individuals for decades claiming that the tax cuts would create a strong economy when nothing could be further from the truth.

[-] 1 points by hotdoghenry (268) 2 years ago

There's two things in the world I can't tolerate. One is people who are intolerant of other peoples culture, and the other is the Dutch!

[-] 1 points by justwantanaccount (68) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Guess what? Part of the reason why the rest of the world stays poor is because of corporations.

Example -> Corporate interests get CIA to install a dictator in Congo in 1961: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/29/as_congo_marks_50th_anniversary_of

"Well, the story really begins, in the modern era, in 1885, when — or 1884 to '85, when all the major countries of Europe led — preceded by the United States, actually; we were the very first — recognized the Congo not as a Belgian colony, but as the private, personally owned colony of King Leopold II of Belgium, a very greedy, ambitious man who wanted a colony of his own. At that point, Belgium was not sure that it wanted a colony. Leopold ruled this place for 23 years, made an enormous fortune, estimated at over a billion in today's American dollars. Finally, in 1908, he was forced to give it up to become a Belgian colony, and then he died the following year. And the Belgians ran it for the next half-century, extracting an enormous amount of wealth, initially in ivory and rubber, then in diamonds, gold, copper, timber, palm oil, all sorts of other minerals. And as with almost all European colonies in Africa, this wealth flowed back to Europe. It benefited the Europeans much more than the Africans.

"And the hope that many people had when independence came all over Africa, for the most part, you know, within a few years on either side of 1960, people had the hope that at last African countries would begin to control their own destiny and that they would be the ones who would reap the profits from the mines and the plantations and so on. Lumumba put that hope into words. And for that reason, he was immediately considered a very dangerous figure by the United States and Belgium. The CIA issued this assassination order with White House approval. And as was said at the beginning, they couldn’t get close enough to him to actually poison him, but they got money under the table to Congolese politicians who did see that he was assassinated, with Belgian help. It was a Belgian pilot who flew the plane to where he was killed, a Belgian officer who commanded the firing squad.

"And then, the really disastrous thing that followed was this enthusiastic United States backing for the dictatorial regime of Mobutu, who seized total power a couple years later and ran a 32-year dictatorship, enriched himself by about $4 billion, and really ran his country into the ground, was greeted by every American president, with the sole exception of Jimmy Carter, who was in office during those 32 years. And he left the country a wreck, from which it has still not recovered."

TL;DR Belgium & US wanted their corporations to control Congo's natural resources so killed a democratically elected president who aimed to take control of their own resources

Note that this was in the middle of the cold war, when the US jumped at any mention of socialism

Example 2: CIA installed dictator in Iran for similar reasons Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

"The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]

"In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist parliamentarian faction. Iran's oil had been controlled by the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC).[6] Popular discontent with the AIOC began in the late 1940s, a large segment of Iran's public and a number of politicians saw the company as exploitative and a vestige of British imperialism.[7] . . . Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[9] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[10] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and the U.S. Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor U.S. Truman administration had opposed a coup.[11]"

TL;DR Overthrew Iranian president because he tried to claim the country's resources for the country's benefit but the oil companies intervened.

As much as I hate and disapprove of terrorism, I can kinda understand their anger, to be honest with you . . . and these are just the declassified ones! Who knows what's happening today.

TL;DR our lives are good because our (and other European) corporations siphon off the country's resources and its profits away from the people who live there.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

It all started with Europe colonizing the world that destroyed the countries not the US

[-] 1 points by justwantanaccount (68) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

The CIA also put Saddam Hussein into power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1963_Iraqi_coup_d'%C3%A9tat#U.S._involvement

And guess who benefited from cheap oil in the Middle East?

These are just the declassified ones.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

so you're saying we knowingly put a dictator in office, thats bull shit because he probably wasnt like that back then, and he developed into it later in his life

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

so you're saying we knowingly put a dictator in office, thats bull shit because he probably wasnt like that back then, and he developed into it later in his life

[-] 1 points by justwantanaccount (68) from Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI 2 years ago

Either way we wrecked those countries' chance of having a democracy.

[-] 1 points by China777friends (75) 2 years ago

We aspire to the United States, because of his civilization, freedom, innovation, equality, a dream! Now see the United States is the agitation, demonstrations, violent! Alas! Broken Dreams it!

[-] 1 points by China777friends (75) 2 years ago

Alas! Broken Dreams it!

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

Nope it is still the best place in the world to live

[-] 1 points by habore (17) from חלץ, הדרום 2 years ago

have you ever been anywhere but the united states? there are much better places to live in than the united states, as scandinavia and all of the countries in europ, japan, even russia and israel are better these days, and both are a bad place to live in.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

no scandanavia they are taxed heavily, europe sucks they tax the crap out of people and most of the countries have king and queens with a democratically elected president that did nothing to earn their title

[-] 1 points by habore (17) from חלץ, הדרום 2 years ago

you are right. they are taxed heavily, but they are being payed going to university. did you know that? each course they finish they get money for it. its worth while being educated. what is the case in the united states?

health care is free. when i was in the united states traveling i had to pay 10,000$US just for them to tell me i have a viral menangitis, which they can do nothing about (luckily i had insurane to cover it).

how many months off work (payed of course) does a pregnant woman get when she gives birth to the baby? i have no idea, to tell the truth, but in holland for example its 13 months!

in the uk, which is not a much better place to live in than israel and the united states, one gets a loan to study (no interests), which they pay only when they can.

there are more and more and more examples of how better the rest of the world is, but if you want to compare yourself to bolivia, then be my guest

[-] 1 points by China777friends (75) 2 years ago

No! The United States we are doing now!

[-] 1 points by Markmad (323) 2 years ago

Can you believe this creature? My dad must be a blood sucking bureaucrat.

[-] 1 points by fusehub (7) from Pequea, PA 2 years ago

I am thankful for the United States especially when I see how we as the people respond to crisis like Katrina when our government fail, how we respond to the recent tornado, hurricanes, and flooding. We are giving to our charities, go to church give there and continue to pay sales tax and income tax when it come. But you can sympathise with those among us that see that see the percentage of congressmen and senators becoming millionaires, how they are representing the lobbyists and corporations that fund them instead of we the people. Congressmen and Senators who are suppose to be "public servants" who enjoy a substantial salary, the best possible health care, and vacation days. And now, after the supreme court gave the free pass to private spending to political campaign can we still be happy to be living in the land where the very economic landscape is changing dramatically where the wealthy among us are buying our "public servants" and continually to become the King and Queen among us.

[-] 2 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

everyone should know government sucks that why the smaller it is the better

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

everyone should know government sucks that why the smaller it is the better

[-] 1 points by Lefty48197 (117) 2 years ago

Of course when you say "government sucks" you're talking about Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Dick Cheney and the like right?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

nope im talking about bill clinton and barack obama BIll Clinton caused the housing crisis by making banks have to oan to people even though the bank didnt think some of the people would be able to pay it off

[-] 1 points by Lefty48197 (117) 2 years ago

Actually, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama didn't force any banks to loan out even one single penny. When you're so far off base on the facts, do you really expect anybody to take you seriously?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

yes they did under clinton, he made it easier to get loans to pay for a house, so that everyone could own a home

[-] 1 points by Lefty48197 (117) 2 years ago

What? Bill Clinton did something that caused a bunch of people who couldn't afford homes to go an get mortages anyway? And the banks lent money to people who couldn't afford to make the payments because of something Bill Clinton did? Drink the kool aid pal.

[-] 1 points by Chromer (124) 2 years ago

Bla, bla, bla bla bla

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

nice educated response

[-] 1 points by Chromer (124) 2 years ago

Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla

[-] 1 points by SisterRay (554) 2 years ago

We are proud to be Americans and thankful for how much good there is here. Rather than rest on our laurels, we want to make America better.

What's your point?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

that you guys bitch about how bad you have it, when it really isnt that bad

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21075) 2 years ago

The richest 1% control 42% of the wealth. 1 out of 7 Americans are on food stamps. 46 million Americans have no healthcare. 22% of all children live in poverty. 40% of all black children live in poverty. The average wage of Americans has fallen 7% in the last decade. Home prices have fallen drastically. Foreclosures are up. Unemployment is holding at 9.1%. The average CEO earns 343 times the wage of the average American worker. The average price for one year at a private college is $35,000. Shall I go on? Things are really good - or maybe not so good???

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

half of those 46 million chose not to have healthcare to save money, why would someone go to a private college community colleges and state universitys are cheaper. CEO make so much because they are driven to succeed and work lots of unpaid overtime to get where they are, plus they have the special skill set need to manage a large company. In africa they make less than $700 a year, in the US the median wage is like $40,000 a year(thats 57 times the wages of an African) if you would rather make that than get out of here, what does it matter the economy is still going down it still isnt bad and to try to have the government fix it is stupid (the government sucks at running things and are pretty ineficiant)

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21075) 2 years ago

The plight of Africa is a whole different discussion very worthy of having and I can totally understand where you are coming from in viewing America as a great place to live economically in comparison. But, just because America is richer than Africa overall doesn't mean America's economy is fair. We have a lot of people living in poverty needlessly and I will never ever believe that they choose to be in poverty or that they don't work hard enough. That is nonsense. What we have is an economy with severe structural problems that need to be addressed. This is a separate issue from what is going on in Africa. By the way, I agree with you about the private schools. Kids should boycott them and refuse to pay the tuition. My daughter will be in a public university next year. Also, don't be so infatuated with CEO's. Every exempt employee in America works unpaid overtime. I'm not saying CEO's don't have skills, but come on, 343 times the average worker's pay! No, no, no. That is exploitation!

[-] 2 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

Poverty in the US is not really poverty like it is elsewhere. People living in poverty are more likely to be obese (ie not starving) than those with more money. They also have nice tv's, a high end cable plan, cell phones, cars, etc. I mean when was the last time you heard about someone starving to death in the US.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21075) 2 years ago

Mooks, you are right, but this movement is about the U.S. The poverty and inequality we have here is unnecessary. Yes, there are always some people who abuse entitlement programs, but the majority of those in poverty would much prefer a living wage and enough jobs to go around. There is just no way to justify the profits of corporations paying out executives at the rate of 343 times the average worker.

[-] 1 points by SisterRay (554) 2 years ago

But you haven't shown that it isn't that bad; all you've shown is it could be worse.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

it is great if you work hard or have a great idea then you can have what ever you want I dont want to pay for people who didnt earn what they have

[-] 1 points by SisterRay (554) 2 years ago

But that's just a straw man argument. No one is asking you to pay for people who didn't earn what they have. What does that have to do with OWS's goal of holding Wall Street accountable?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

them screwing businesses, and being selfish, most of the people on here want to dramaticlly raise taxes on the rich

[-] 1 points by SisterRay (554) 2 years ago

Well, I would put it this way: most people here support allowing the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire and want Congress to close loopholes and to pass the proposed Buffett rule.

But that's not out of hatred of business or out of selfishness. That's because we want those who have to pay their fair share in order to keep our country solvent. These proposals aren't dramatic or punitive; they're essentially a return to the tax rates of the 90s -- a period of tremendous economic growth that was very beneficial for the wealthy.

[-] 1 points by SisterRay (554) 2 years ago

No, phila, I haven't forgotten that. Nor have I forgotten that they are paying the lowest rates they've paid in their lifetime. Tax cuts for the rich have cost the US government trillions of dollars in the last 10 years, causing the US government to run ever-larger debts. If these cuts are renewed yet again, the federal debt will increase beyond what it can pay back, resulting in yet another economic catastrophe. That's why I support allowing these temporary tax cuts to expire.

As for closing loopholes and passing the "Buffett rule": that's just common sense.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

do you forget that most of the rich pay higher tax rates than the rates of the rest of america

[-] 1 points by radelato (36) 2 years ago

I guess I should be thankful for the hundreds of thousands of innocent dead and salute the contracts given to private companies out in the war torn parts of the world.

Should we be thankful we have these securities or luxuries knowing innocent people were murdered in the process?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

okay if you hate america get out of the country we dont need people like you

[-] 1 points by radelato (36) 2 years ago

So then you agree with me?! You have just validated my point by by agreeing with my point of view and retaliating by equivocating my point of view as anti-american.

You obviously need to rethink your logic.

All I am saying is that there ARE better ways we can live our lives and benefit the masses, but big business choose to sell it to us it tiny pieces know as new feature and updates.

We could have easily become more energy and resource efficient if it wasn't for the greed these companies bring.

We could easily solve many of the world's problems but, big business chooses not to.

[-] 1 points by MattE (74) 2 years ago

Um, what?

So if someone disagrees with you, or Americas past actions they are un-American?

The point of democracy is it is a system designed to change and adapt to the will of the people. Not take-it-or-leave-it.

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 2 years ago

I don't want to end up like 50% of the world.

I suppose saying I am thankful and laying down might reach your goal but not mine

I have ownership. This is my country. I will not allow thieves to steal it from me and then say thank you.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

there is know way should end up like the 50%, the real thieves are those in the government, not the people in the big businesses

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 2 years ago

They work together, its called collusion. Why did GE pay no taxes? Why do the oil companies make record profits and still get billions in incentive?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

because the government sucks not because of the company

[-] 1 points by MattE (74) 2 years ago

Actually, Phila9012 has a point on this one.

GE and other corporations will always take the path of least resistance, and greatest profit. It's on the Government to keep these loopholes in check.

That said, the two are in bed together (this is a bipartisan issue!), and that's something that needs to change.

[-] 1 points by sfsteve (151) 2 years ago

The fact that 50% of the world lives on $2 a day or less is more reason to protests. When producers and consumers are in the same place, there is an incentive for higher wages. By putting the producers in poor countries, with consumers in rich countries, the owners everywhere have incentive to lower wages.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

if our food costed more the standard of living would be lower, which wouldn't help, The main motive for owners is profit margin, that is what makes the economy go around

[-] 1 points by sfsteve (151) 2 years ago

Food imports are not what I am talking about. We can get all the food we need from local sources and this is increasingly becoming a cost effective option due to the high cost of fuel.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

so why would someone want to protest to get locally produced goods, that has nothing to do with this ridiculus movement

[-] 1 points by DoraDevout (15) 2 years ago

Protesting corruptions IS BEING THANKFUL. They are trying to smite a disease that is KILLING their country that THEY ARE THANKFUL FOR. Protesting corruption != America hatin'. God damn there is so much misinformation going around.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

it is i will admit that the government is corrupt, like having pork barrel spending, and having corporations fund canidates, but taxing the rich more won't help, and regulations hurt companies

[-] 1 points by DoraDevout (15) 2 years ago

We only want regulation on the FINANCIAL INDUSTRY, not just random fucking companies. In case you missed the memo, the financial industry comprises 1/3 of our annual GDP.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

regulations hurt companies not help them thats why they move out of the US

[-] 1 points by DoraDevout (15) 2 years ago

No, they don't "move out of the US", they redirect profits out of the US to write off on their taxes (called "double dutch")

And how, do you presume, the ENTIRE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY is going to just up and leave?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

no they just start investing elsewhere

[-] 1 points by Volumecorps (2) 2 years ago

I have no desire to take from the rich. However, it would be nice to know that when when I'm paying $4 a gallon for gas, it's due to legitimate factors involving supply and demand and not because a few bankers have decided to manipulate the commodities speculation market for a quick billion.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

its a little because of the government not allowing people to drill in Alaska, and you do have a right to know

[-] 1 points by Democracydriven (658) 2 years ago

It's a lot about wall street speculators jacking the price up!

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

you probably have some truth to that, but there are other factors too

[-] 1 points by Abridge3141 (117) 2 years ago

DEAR INDIVIDUAL READING THIS, What must we as people do to fight this grave injustice inflicted upon us, by the ones who lust for power? How can we end the reign of the wicked and immoral and mete JUSTICE upon the oppressors as we have suffered from their hands-their blood stained hands... An idea of REVOLUTION-no, the act of revolution enacted by the proletarians! Must we as individuals ,as is always done, remain pawns to these people, these monoliths that we alone as individuals cannot surmounted...I surmise that we are not ignorant to the woes inflicted upon us by their enormities? We must UNIFY! Unity will be the way in which we assert ourselves!...While I realize all are not are not without income or funds and many cannot unify with this growing movement do to reasons of possible opposition and they being the people I'm question who we oppose (Wall Street), and many have responsibility they must tend to that take precedence. We must rise and vanquish this behemothto restore the equilibrium, for when disturbed it causes much chaos and strife in the hearts of man( man being neutral to represent all genders) in his mind and when mans mind and soul are in chaos as many are they rise to vanquish the pestiferous wealthy. However we should not just target these individuals, each of us individually must confront the corruption in our hearts, how can we judge the corrupt and deem them so when we cannot be amenable for ourselves we will surely be deemed hypocrites as we will be.....I am not meaning to say that this protest is in any way unjust, for far too long have we suffered, I mean that we are expected to expiate our sins -assume our parts in the problems we face and how we may have caused it. Yes, the Bankers on Wall Street are corrupt in ways we don't have evidence of without an investigation. But as we suffer soshall they, for we will make it so. But what of our government I say, my fellow citizens do not neglect to Confront the complicit in this affair for the roots of corruption are deeply seated, we have silent enemies amongst us-be warned that although succession in our goals will happen we may face a greater threat to our rights granted unto us from birth be prudent and circumspect. Another issue I wish to address is the idea of mans continual corruption as all things will be permeated with this darkness Inside our hearts.......when a system is created it always deviates from the righteous path, for nations we have learnt of in our education are littered with tales of nations that became corrupt and faded Into the ruin of collapse, we know that a society without corruption is utterly inconceivable, impossible in ways each and everyone of us know...for as long as men exist so shall our inner evil....but I digress from my original Intent of this passage and I ask forgiveness as we must forgive all in all eventual....the rising potentiality of this movement is quite an astonishment, I thought we were not capable of such things and thus I admit I had less faith in my fellow man. I see that we have all come to the realization of the need to bring the greedy to justice, although the reasons for your protesting may be unique to you, you share many goal, I had prognostications, inklings seems more appropriate of a term, that one day man would wake to realize the greater truth outside of his/her reality, and break the cycles of obsession with superficial base needs and trite motives, a dull and predictable lot we were but we've surpassed that I hope....for if not we will founder and fall Into the patterns we had grown so accustomed to, living such prosaic pedestrian lives stultified by the elite and of our own ignorance we always have the means to educate ourselves in this age, we have no limits to what we may learn based on our status in society, the powerful can no longer succeed in keeping us stupefied we have freewill to reason and learn and form our own ideas, ideas that would otherwise have died by the hands of the bigots! Our endeavours shall be crowned with fruition of our goals for our will allows it, we have broken free from the will of the oppressors.... part...now it is your turn...as Desmond Tutu stated "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." YOURS TRULY- Aaron Thomas Bridge

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

sum it up too much reading for something that isnt worth my time

[-] 1 points by Abridge3141 (117) 2 years ago

In essence it states that we must unite as a people for the cause of Justice against Tue corrupt, and we must confront the corruption in ourselves, assume our responsibility for the situation at present.....

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

thank you, but a lot of the people in the movement are in it for personal gain, not what is better for others, people think how can I improve my life, not what is best for others

[-] 1 points by Abridge3141 (117) 2 years ago

Youre quite welcome...and that is precisely why I think that this movement will fail,the majority involved are just as guilty as the "greedy" Bankers on Wall street. I do not deny the movements cause but many are just being selfish blaming these people on wall street for their wanting bailouts! They need to understand that the our countries is just a part of the world economy, if our economy collapses so will the others, and what of The governments involvement why are we not protesting the government as well?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

the problem is the government not the rich executives

[-] 1 points by Abridge3141 (117) 2 years ago

Exactly, who in fact bailed them out? Not themselves.

[-] 1 points by Noid (22) 2 years ago

In todays world there really is no excuss for anybody to go hungry. We all have the technology resources to feed the world. Its really sad that in 2012 that people are allowed to stave to death cuz they live in a poor country.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

but yet you guys want to increase the money available to you by taxing rich when you don't need the help

[-] 1 points by bjkahuna (40) 2 years ago

I'd like to take a moment to salute you, a brave member of our armed forces, because obviously, since you love the US so much, you made this post from Afghanistan or Iraq after you volunteered to fight for the country you love so dearly. Correct?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

nope an average American and you say that in a mocking way Why?

[-] 1 points by LOVEPEACE (199) 2 years ago

There is no need for 50% to live on 2 dollars a day or less.

This is done by design. It is not about money. It is about violent domination. So NO. Don't be thankful for living in the most luxurious prison camp in the world. We have no prosperity because there is no Peace.

DEMAND PEACE!

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

how is there no peace I feel safe in most of the places i go.

[-] 1 points by LOVEPEACE (199) 2 years ago

Ha, because you are afraid to go where there is no peace. And you've been told that if you want those places to stay out of your backyard you should support the violent domination of those places.

Those places are projects in cities everywhere in the USA. Iraq, Libya.. Most of the Middle east. Wherever our military is killing people.

Your dollars's value is enforced by violent domination get it? If our (Master's) military wasn't out there killing people and dominating then our economy, our dollar wouldn't be worth anything. That is why our debt has no relation to the value of our dollar.

SO, the economy is rigged and controlled and enforced through violence and threat. When you see it collapsing it must be engineered by the dominators. But why? More war of course. It's what they do. We are already in WWIII. And they plan on dominating the people of this nation the same way they are doing it elsewhere. That is what you are looking at. It's just done in a way that you are having trouble recognizing. You see some hippies protesting because they are lazy and have no money.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

I know that the US needs to tone down military efforts because they will start to destroy our country, but when we helped get a democracy in Iraq people were happy, the Kurds who had been oppressed and killed by Sadam got their freedoms back

[-] 1 points by LOVEPEACE (199) 2 years ago

Are you sure? Honestly, i am not the person to have that conversation with because our information is so completely different. Just seek out some other info. Try and find info directly from Iraq or Libya and see what the people who live there are saying. You do know that 1 million have been killed in Iraq right? Just understand that our economy is backed and supported by violence. that is why you have what you have. It does not need to be like this. But there are very bad, violent and ruthless people in this world.

[-] 1 points by gollygosh15 (4) 2 years ago

Yea we have it great here in America. we also have people who break and bend the rules to put a few more million in the bank. how can that be allowed?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

we also have tens of millions of people who what stuff they didn't earn

[-] 1 points by gollygosh15 (4) 2 years ago

so one type of greed should be allowed and the other shouldnt?

[-] 1 points by amandutt (13) from Toronto, ON 2 years ago

and In Countries like America taxpayers spend their money on Senators and Representatives who pass the laws written by Lobbyist.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

that is the one thing that is wrong here, the government needs to take a stand against lobbyists and pork barrel spending

[-] 2 points by SanityScribe (452) 2 years ago

The government NEVER will. WE THE PEOPLE need to do that.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

I know we need minor reform not major reform (which is what occupy wall street wants)

[-] 1 points by SanityScribe (452) 2 years ago

Yes we need the money out of politics first. Only U.S. citizens should be allowed to donate to candidates, no corporations benefits, non-profits, pacs, super pacs, etc.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Get-Money-Out-of-Politics/170454236375392

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

yes that would be a start, but no other reform is needed other than fixing lobbyists and pork barrel spending, and how politicians are funded

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

You are in La-La Land. Wake up and smell the corruption. The government is bought and paid for by BIG money. Who exactly is the government going to take a stand against? The big money donors who get them elected? Welcome to the Occupation.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

I know we need minor reform not major reform (which is what occupy wall street wants) the government needs to take a stand against lobbyists and pork barrel spending

we need the money out of politics first. Only U.S. citizens should be allowed to donate to candidates, no corporations benefits, non-profits, pacs, super pacs, etc.

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Agreed! All of the money needs to be taken out of the political process. However, I do not think this is a minor thing. Firstly, there will have to be an amendment to the constitution to reverse the effects of the Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Ct. And then some Election Reform legistlation needs to be written and debated by the Congress. Which, we all know how well Congress doesn't work! Then, there will be the BIG money. I doubt the 1% will take Election Reform lying down. Afterall, they have become very accustomed to buying their representation in government and bending government to their will.

So, I'm not 100% sure, but something tells me this won't be that simple. Again, welcome to the Occupation. Hope you will help!

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

this movement isnt about that it is about taking more than that from the rich which is why it harmful to the US if they tax the rich

[-] 2 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Again, anything this protest does, will be by majority decision of the protest. The best thing you can do is fight for what YOU believe. This will help gather majority support for your position. And the things you disagree with, you should voice that too. That's what its all about.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

why should only the people in the protests opinions count, it matters what the US as a whole thinks not Moronic protesters

[-] 2 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

There are alot of people that discuss lots of things here. I cannot tell you what will happen. And its up to you to decide what you are willing to fight for. But I feel pretty confident that whatever happens it will be established by a consensus and majority opinion of the protesters. True democracy.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

no a true democracy would be for what ever happens be what everyone in America wants no just the protesters

[-] 2 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Well, thats what it is about for me. And there are many many people out here that are speaking out for Election Reform.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

i want that but nothing else the rest is garbage

[-] 1 points by April (3196) 2 years ago

Hopefully, the protest will reach more and more people with a message of Election Reform. So that it will be what all Americans can support.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

that would be good but i know that there are a lot of people who want more than election reform, they want to heavily tax the rich

[-] 1 points by amandutt (13) from Toronto, ON 2 years ago

I doubt they ever will. It has been ingrained into their minds that only money from lobbyist will help them win. The only solution I see is to impose term limits.

On another note growing up my best friend grandfather would tell both of us that Politics is the Last refuge of a Scoundrel. I never believed it to be true but we were just talking the other day we realized how true he was.

The only question I now have is "is it too late?"

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

i dont know but the problem with us it the politicians

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 2 years ago

I'm thankful every day. I've had it easy, been given so much even in my hardships (so many lessons I've been handed by trials and pain). I do think we should always strive to be better, though, or we become stagnant. Why settle for mostly alright? I also find it hard to argue that there are no problems needing to be addressed - are you OK with the issues that are still prevalent, or do you want to be an innovator, a leader, and change things for the better? That's truly one of the vital aspects of America, as it was originally envisioned - a passion to evolve into something better, a drive to make positive change.

I think even beyond that, as one of those privileged enough to be a citizen of the USA, I have a responsibility to drive that forward momentum, to make both my country and the world a better place, to advance the human species.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

how is taking from the rich and giving to people who don't deserve or need the money. I would rather have less taxes so I can decide who gets my money through charity

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 2 years ago

What? Did you even read my comment? Or did you mispost and intend that response for someone else? My point was that I'm definitely thankful for being in the US, but I don't think it remiss to try to make it even better. I didn't say how that was to be done, just that I don't see that attempt as a bad thing. Thus, I don't understand the intent of your comment...

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

ya sorry It was meant for your comment but i just assumed you believed like most people on here because you didn't say how

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 2 years ago

No worries - I'm trying to understand other peoples perspective, myself, so I like hearing back on stuff. The more we understand each other collectively, the more likely we will succeed in doing something positive, maybe even incredible, with all this energy and passion. The key is to reach out to each other, not to bite at opposite perspectives. I've got to remind my self of that often; so easy to fall into the trap of telling the next guy he's obviously wrong just because he doesn't see it my way. Thanks for sharing your perspective! :)

Together, we'll be able to paint a picture of the true whole perspective, and from there we can really make positive change that is founded in both fact and empathy. Reality and humanity, something like that :D

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

what do you think has to be done

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 2 years ago

There's a large list I think could be better. Education, for one. Science, all fields, could use more attention and focus. We still have poverty and homelessness. We have serious diseases we haven't yet cured. There's always room for more to be done.

Or do you mean how would I address the demands of the OWS, specifically? I do think corruption and greed prevent a lot of the above from improving, and in some cases even sets us back in those areas.

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

life is better in many countries

[-] 1 points by e000 (371) 2 years ago

life is worse in many countries

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

it is not because taxes are way higher in those countries, if you want to pay half of your income in taxes than you can move to those other countries. you are being really vague with your comment, how is it better in other countries?

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

many countries don't have large armies and don't interfere with other countries like the u.s. does for starters. costa rica has no army at all and they spend what they have for the people, schools, health care and infrastructure. in america too much is wasted on the military and subsidizing industries that don't need the help while neglecting small business. i live in switzerland and pay about 12-13% tax. they have social programs to help the poor and disabled and spend a much smaller percent on the military.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

it is also more expensive to live there. I will admit that the US is commencing war for too long in too many places, but when you leave terrorist groups and dictatorships to themselves they dont just stop their ways, the world needs to take more responsibility for controlling terrorism

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

by law we have 4 weeks paid vacation. most companies give x-mas bonuses that nearly pays for income tax.

corporations make a lot of money on wars, halliburton for example. cheney was president or vice president of halliburton before he became vice president...

there's a lot of propaganda in the american media.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

i dont want the government controling companies in any way whether it be controling vacation, or regulations on businesses

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

i dont want the government controling companies in any way whether it be controling vacation, or regulations on businesses

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

well good luck, because greed has no morals

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

who gets 4 to 6 weeks paid vacation in the states?

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

but what we have is fair to everyone an most people here get 4 to 6 weeks vacation anyway

[-] 1 points by FuManchu (619) 2 years ago

The USA actually supports most dictators. We are the biggest hyprocrites of all. We meaning the government. The people here think we are promoting democracy!

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

instead of stating a random sentence state evidence then reply

[-] 1 points by FuManchu (619) 2 years ago

Most middle eastern countries. Mubarak, for example. Yemen. Saudi Arabia. Just because it helps our interest we do it. Nothing wrong with protecting our interests but lets not pretend we are noble. We routinely prop up dictators for our sake.

[-] 1 points by phila9012 (128) from Philadelphia, PA 2 years ago

okay that is better, if we fought them then we would pay twice as much for oil, and everyone would hate us more until obama lets us drill in Alaska then we have no other choice