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Forum Post: Background Check Compromise that could work

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 20, 2013, 2:36 p.m. EST by Shayneh (-482)
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There are those who want everyone who purchases a firearm regardless of who its from, to have a background check.

Then there are those who don't want private citizens to be required to have background checks when purchases are made in private.

There are those who say there are too many loop holes at gun shows for people to purchase firearms without detection from other private individuals selling them.

Well I say lets compromise - lets require that all purchaes at gun shows require background checks regardless of them being a private sale or a sale by a business.

In addition to that if a person is caught or noticed selling a firearm to another individual outside the doors of the gun show laws need to be inplace for an immediate arrest of both individuals.

That would solve the "gun show loop hole" that everyone is talking about. We already have enough laws on the books when it comes to the Feds being able to track registered firearms.

In addition to that all purchases of firearms through the internet need to be background check required.

So should a person in one state decide to sell a firearm to a person in another state - federal laws need to require that the receiving state the purchaser lives in take ownership of the firearm from a licensed firearms dealer who will do the background check on that individual, and charge a fee for it.

The ATF website has a wealth of info dealing with "gun running", ownership of firearms by children under 18", ownership of firearms by mentally deficient people. Here's a link to their web site should you decide to take the time to educate yourself with their laws:

http://www.atf.gov/

In addition to that we have pages and pages of laws from all the states across the country.

So, I believe that would be a great first step towards stopping "straw purchases" and/or eliminating firearms being purchased without a background check.

The mental health issue with regard to firearms is another issue all on to its own.

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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

usually, I favor compromise - but
we can do things the nra way or we can do things to save our children

some people want to be able to drive without a license
some people want to be able to drive without a registered car
some people want to be able to drive without insurance

we call them irresponsible
we call them juveniles
we call them criminals


we can compromise with the people who bribe our congressmen to vote their way - or not


We can do what Australia & England did and cut gun deaths or not


THE PROBLEM IS NOT GUN SALES -
THE PROBLEM IS GUN OWNERS


FYI Adam Lanza's mother was not nuts, or a gun nut.
her son was very mentally ill and she got him many people to provide mental health aid to him. A background check ( as the only new regulation ) on her gun purchases would not have stopped Sandy Hook.


The court has ruled that some gun restrictions are constitutional and I don't care if the paranoid gun crazies believe Obama will take their guns.


Would you compromise with your 12 year old - he can drive your car only on Mondays?


Here is my solution - I believe it would prevent thousands of deaths - but our purchased congressmen would never allow it:


1►
learn as much as you can about the REAL numbers that prove the REAL solutions

2►
demand a plan:

http://www.youtube.com/user/maigcoalition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za8SOVuGHs&list=UUu4Q7iE0z1Jw7yUjs56dvXA&index=1

alex jones – without his straight jacket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

3►
WRITE TO CONGRESS:

find your congresspeople
house:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
senate:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/How_to_contact_senators.htm
VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006


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Dear ............................:

[ _ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E_ ]

While some people may want to confiscate guns, here is a much more feasible approach. It will not solve all gun problems, but it will
reduce the number of guns
and that will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns - and isn't THAT our real goal?

My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.

Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our gun disasters:


1►
all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.

If you own a motor cycle, a dump truck, and a car - you are tested in each.
Require a written gun test - to guarantee the owner's understanding of gun laws thus
being forced to know the law - via the test – also means the police know who you are - and you may be less likely to commit a crime or be careless storing your guns

2►
every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.

Insurance should be at least as high as car insurance [ I would like at least $1,000,000 ]
You must prove your car insurance.
Annual ( fee ) back ground check to verify your suitability to own guns.
Every gun must be locked in a gun case or have a trigger lock.

3►
as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.

You are required to report if your gun is missing within 48 hours,
The owner will be much less likely to leave a gun accessible to a family member or thief.

4►
every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police

Knowing that your gun & its bullets are so easily traced will make you think before using it.

additionally -

Gun fees [ licenses fees & registration fees & fines ] should be
high enough to create a very substantial gun buy-back program

Penalties must be very high in money & jail time -
especially after the first offense

No citizens ( except dealers & collectors ) need more than a small number of guns

Gun fees should be higher for more guns & for bigger guns.

The nra will fight against this –
but will be balanced by the insurance companies fighting for it

But the nra may be in favor of this when the gun companies understand that gun owners
can get paid to turn in their old gun and will be able to buy a new gun -
with an INTEGRATED lock .

If we legalize drugs, we will clear out jail cells to fill with gun law breakers and
free up police "time" for real crime investigation

We WILL get higher compliance and lower opposition if we use high fees & buyback.
Take a position of reducing guns, like assault weapons such as semi-automatic rifles -
rather than punishing a gun nut who spent $10,000 on an armory.

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Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:

Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: England.…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: France….: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides Per 100,000


http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls
The above link is to England police statistics - see table D19

Is the nra & its trolls claiming that we will fail, where England & Australia succeeded in reducing gun deaths substantially by legislation?


Statistics clearly prove that the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.

More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.

When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.

In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England

For 2011, the average Murder Rate in Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1

For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9

VERY IMPORTANT:
The 1994 gun "ban" did NOT ban assault weapons.
It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons.

Scalia - yes that Scalia - has ruled the AR15s are NOT “protected” by Article 2

LBJ proposed a gun plan similar to the above 4 point plan

On the same day as the Sandy Hook massacre, a maniac entered a school in China and – WITHOUT A GUN – stabbed 22 innocent children.
No teacher had a gun. No security guards had guns.
no one died

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

destruction cannot be profitable

it only destroys goods, properties and people

war is used to take from others

it produces nothing on it's own



building bombs 'til bunkers boil

getting paid for shell filled toil

if I am to work tomorrow

lobe the load on foreign soil


yep US only pays 41% of the total world military budget

World Military budget in Billions (percent total) by Nation

  • 1,630 World Total
  • 711 United States 41%
  • 143 China 8.2%
  • 71.9 Russia 4.1%
  • 62.7 United Kingdom 3.6 %
  • 62.5 France 3.6%
  • 54.5 Japan 3.3&
  • 48.2 Saudi Arabia 2.8%
  • 46.8 India 2.5%
  • 46.7 Germany 2.8%
  • 37.0 Italy 2.3%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures


Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations

39% United States

18% Russia

8% France

7% United Kingdom

5% Germany

3% China

3% Italy

11% Other European

5% Others

http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business#GlobalArmsSalesBySupplierNations


TOP 10 Arms Produces

Notes: An S denotes a subsidiary company. A dash (–) indicates that the company did not rank among the SIPRI Top 100 for 2009

  • Lockheed Martin USA 35,730 33,430 78
  • BAE Systems UK 32,880 32,540 95
  • Boeing USA 31,360 32,300 49
  • Northrop Grumman USA 28,150 27,000 81
  • General Dynamics USA 23,940 23,380 74
  • Raytheon USA 22,980 23,080 91
  • BAE Systems Inc. (BAE Systems, UK) USA 17,900 19,280 100
  • EADS Trans-European 16,360 15,930 27
  • Finmeccanica Italy 14,410 13,280 58
  • L-3 Communications USA 13,070 13,010 83
  • United Technologies USA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/mar/02/arms-sales-top-100-producers


Widow Winchester's riffle wealth warped her house.

Stairs to ceilings. Windows to walls.

Always slept in a new room,

hiding from shot souls

[-] 0 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

OK now that you go that off your plate Matt, what do you think about what I posted?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

the weapons industry drives the need and arguements for a gun market to sell to.

I don't own a gun and never plan to

I do own a car and licensing seems in order

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

If they are worried at gun running, they may want to take a look in the mirror.

[-] 2 points by Narley (-634) 1 year ago

I don’t think background checks will accomplish anything. But I’ll grudgingly go along with it if it’ll shut the anti-gun nuts up for a while. But that's as far as I will go.

[-] 0 points by Shayneh (-482) 1 year ago

Here's some more info on research that was initiated by the Feds.

Feds admit: Gun laws won't slow crime

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/feds-admit-gun-laws-wont-slow-crime/#rSoed2aGiLtysI4h.99