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the environment needs to be restored, while at the same time we need to have people back to work. A whole new toxic free economy is at hand. Legalize the growing of Industrial Hemp and advocate for it wherever possible to be used instead of petrochemicals.

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[-] 1 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 13 years ago

Yeeeaaah maaaaan [/holding-breath voice]

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[-] 1 points by hollypuke (21) 13 years ago

YES!!!!!!<3

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[-] 1 points by Faithntruth (997) 13 years ago

I have an idea for a new form of solar but I need a chemist and electrical engineer who have equipment. My goal is to make a product that will use it, but also to put the idea out for those who can make their own power plant. It is solar dependent, so it comes with the same drawbacks of traditional panels that need sunlight. This is early stage idea, so I don't know if it produces enough power to be functional. this is what I need help to determine. On the plus side, even if it is not a big power producer, it might be an environmentally friendly way to reduce petrochemical power. Please PM if you are seriously interested in participating.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

biofuels are not green. we need to go geothermal and solar, and just plain stop burning crap. i agree with legalizing hemp. but not burning it.

I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.

Merely protesting in the streets will not bring change. In fact merely protesting in the streets is in fact a means to the end of avoiding the real work of a revolution, which consists of the evolutionary solutions, answers, problem solving process, and new political alignment we create.
This forum is absolutely disorganized. It won't be read by most people and it won't and can't function as a core organizational system.
Back at the very start of this, I petitioned the admin to add multiple sub forums and a wiki. Multiple sub forums were promised but have never arrived. I think that this tells us that the intention actually of this forum is message control and containment. The entire purpose really of this forum has always been to keep us spinning in disorganization. We are hanging out on a forum that expressly exists to actually keep us confused and disorganized.
The real work of a revolution isn't going to happen on forums, it needs to happen in a much more organized fashion using collaborative software.
The assorted other details about how to collaborate, how to work open source direct democracy, how to focus in on science instead of isms, how to become hyper rational about this, are details which are essential and crucial, without which we can predict the movement to fail.
Technically speaking we are not 99 percent, we are one tenth of one percent attempting to represent the 99 percent. Our core mission must be to communicate to and with the 99 percent, and get them to join us. This forum will not accomplish that and neither will any of the other main websites.
You can follow other people out to other wikis and other websites, where they will try to get you to get involved with what they want and their program, but frankly speaking, there is no other website and no other operation out there which understands the complexities involved with meaningful organization. In short, everyones being led to get involved here there and everywhere else, scattering the movement in directions which ultimately do not gain us critical mass, criticial momentum, or critical systemic lucidity.
I have managed to get a wiki put up and have already put on that wiki evolutionary details which make it more organized than anything else. I can't do this alone. There are 10 or so wikis now out there, most of which were created in response to my pleas for a wiki, and several of which are in domains owned and operated by some corporation, (wikia, etc) And which we can thus assume will simply be closed, shut down, or deleted if they become useful to the movement.
Probably at least half of the invites you have to go participate at some other site are people who are scamming everyone to waste time and energy, distort the movement, co opt it, and etc. When you walk off into a closet ask yourself how you know that the closet isn't created by some fed, or by some republican, or by some democrat, in order to sway things in their direction.
The only meaningful strategic option we have for real change in this country is to create a new third party, and take every political office in this country.
Once that is done, we can have an article 5 convention. If we have an article 5 convention before getting rid of the oligachs, that just opens the genie from the bottle for them to abuse that process with their corruption and evil.
As of last night and this morning, you can't even answer responses on this site without geting a 403 error, logging in requries you to back click after a 403 error, and the chat simply doesn't load.

For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ

http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw

http://www.opensecrets.org/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

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[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 13 years ago

when I encounter hostility from people around the idea of using Hemp, I know that they are either totally ignorant of this resource, or they have a hidden agenda. Don't ask to be educated here...do the research yourself.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

when i encounter useful idiots promoting BURNING things instead of stopping the pollution, i have to put my foot down and stop the madness. I am all for using hemp. I am all for legalizing it. But not as a fuel source, esp not when OTHER forms of energy are cheaper, greener, and in every manner smarter and better. This is not about hemp or not hemp. this is about what we use hemp for. it is NOT a good idea to do any kind of biofuels. period.

i have done the research. clearly you have not.

not only that, but you didn't bother to listen to what i said.

stop being a useful idiot, and bother to learn about geothermal and solar power.

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[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 13 years ago

gawdoftruth ...it was the troll greatwhite that was talking about burning shit not me. greatwhite said those words my friend...he is a troll....prove it to yourself...show me where I have spoken about burning anything. thanks..ps. I expect an apology from you gawdoftruth..or I won't be bothering visiting your wiki.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

"the environment needs to be restored, while at the same time we need to have people back to work. A whole new toxic free economy is at hand. Legalize the growing of Industrial Hemp and advocate for it wherever possible to be used instead of petrochemicals." uhm. wow. instead of petrochemicals. again. we do not need anything instead of petrochemicals. we need to stop all of that, and transform over to geothermal energy and solar energy and all electric cars. i support legalization of hemp. i will fight hard against biofuels.

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[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 13 years ago

I never said anything about using hemp seed oil for fuels ..I never said anything about burning anything either. gawdoftruth your right with what you say and what you know...but your getting confused between Industrial hemp and Cannabis. They are two completely different things.

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[-] 1 points by Oberon (35) 13 years ago

riding a bike is good if you are able, but it would be better to make lightweight motorized vehicles that would not rust. they would last a lifetime if the car body were made of hemp plastics...which are also biodegradable. Hemp can stop deforestation over the Earth, hemp can make plastic nontoxic and biodegradable...etc...it can replace cotton, building materials, insulation, the list is big...we need the addition of this crop.

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[-] 1 points by eattherich (14) 13 years ago

ride a bike=away from petroleum.

put a rack and panniers bags over the real wheel and use it to haul stiff.

buy used at thrift shops.

starve corps of profits and they will take notice.

spending less=being able to pay off debt.

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[-] 1 points by eattherich (14) 13 years ago

ride a bike=away from petroleum.

put a rack and panniers bags over the real wheel and use it to haul stiff.

buy used at thrift shops.

starve corps of profits and they will take notice.

spending less=being able to pay off debt.

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