Forum Post: As vauge as "Success in the Middle-East"?
Posted 13 years ago on Sept. 27, 2011, 12:57 p.m. EST by inthegreen
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I was thrilled to hear of the American people standing up for what they believe in. Delighted to see an amazing turn out and blown away by the lack of media coverage.
Moreso than any of that, however, I am disenchanted by the lack of a common goal. Every successful revolution in the past has had one clear commanailty; a clear and defined purpose. A crowd this large will only grow smaller if they are not charged by a purpose with a purposeful outcome. When the situation escalates and police violence grows, when a downpour of rain comes, or money grows scarce for them what ideal will they hold to to keep their feet planted firm?
The idea that "something" must change? That won't be enough. Our society is softer than those past in regards to suffering physical abuse. Get formalized leadership, get a clear and concise demand in regards to the change you expect, and provide a method for the change. Protesting without an established method for the change you ask for is merley complaining. Don't leave your adversary asking "what do they want?". You can't expect them to meet your demands if you don't first make them.
If nothing else don't follow in the footsteps of our current and past administration offering up false hopes of "change" without defining it. We have been fighting a war for the past decade simply due to the fact that no one defined "success" before we entered into Iraq and Afghanistan. This demonstration is no different.
I am a supporter, but not a happy one.
There is only one thing most of us need that most of us don't even realize, we need Freedom. The bad is that most socialist don't want freedom, because it is contrary to their goals. As long that doesn't change and we human don't realize we need to be free and allow others to be free, we will stay divided.
Well said!
I posted something almost identicle 3 days ago, there are many of us who feel this way. I would say though after sticking around and watching videos and talking to people on here, while I don't agree with the lack of leadership, they are legitimately trying to discover by way of democratic process what the people really want. Making no assumptions ahead of counting the votes. While I am also saddened by the obvious costs associated with waiting so long to define a purpose, I applaud the effort and the unassuming nature of the movement. Heres what they have so far:
http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009
i agree, we absolutely need to get our heads together and get serious substance generated which we can pass along and out.
my main issue with this "movement" is that they have no demands - or rather it is very vague. what specific legislation are you demanding should be passed? without any demands why would the people in power you are against do anything? they don't have to do anything. these people do not seem to want real change for the better but instead they just want to be heard saying they are upset. the orignal ad that ran in ADBUSTERS which i have in front of me asks on the top in bold text "WHAT IS OUR ONE DEMAND" they have taken this question out on their home page... i wonder why. this is the core of it - what can be done? what is it that they want? they are like a crying baby that can't speak and we don't know how to help.....
I have to agree. I am so pleased to see people taking action, but the one thing the right has over the left is their ability to spin and use soundbites to their advantage. If the message isn't clear, no one is going to listen. We need to be unified by a coherent goal, even if that goal is simply to spread a coherent message. Much love and support to the protester, but I really hope the organization will improve so this movement doesn't fizzle out before it has a chance to make a difference.
For protest to really work it needs to be for everybody, not just the right, or the left, or the central, or the green, or the whatever, it needs to be an universal goal.