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Forum Post: As They Lay Dieing, Lastly on the Okkupy Movement

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 30, 2011, 2:20 p.m. EST by SenderoRojo (5) from Tucson, AZ
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The only good that will have came from the Okkupy movement is that perhaps a couple dozen people will have went through an experience that will lead to them throwing off the shackles of liberalism. They will see for themselves that liberalism is mental illness that plagues society and is a powerful tool in the hands of the capitalist class dictatorship. They will see that liberalism is all about begging for money from suit-dummies who’ve plundered and pillaged the world for their profits, and then calling it a “victory” if they can get a few crumbs out of the deal for themselves and “their people,” Amerikans. Both the liberals and the suit-dummies, wherever separate, are vampires out to suck the blood of the poor people of the world, the difference is that the suit-dummies are the gangsters who are overseeing the extraction of the blood of the third-world people in order to maintain the “Amerikan way of life” whereas the liberal is the one in the ear of the suit-dummy begging them for more blood for them and “their people.” Both are equally enemies of humanity and stand in the way of global equality and the survival of our planet.

Of course many of the liberals, in all of their anti-science and shallow-mindedness, will not understand that the crumbs they are requesting will be extracted from the poor people of the world. They are deluded on many different levels, but in this case it’s that they honestly believe they can control the actions of the suit-dummies. They believe that the suit-dummy can’t just tell them to fuck off and take “their” money to wherever and do whatever they want with it. They think that if they get more crumbs that it will actually come out of the pocket of the suit-dummies. They are completely divorced from the reality that labor is the only thing that produces wealth and that when people in the first-world are begging for more from the suit-dummies they are actually begging for more blood from the third-world, that if they achieve “victory” it will mean more rape and plunder of the third-world. They don’t understand that “victory” for them means death for our planet. “Victory” means more consumerism, more environmental degradation, more Amerikan lifestyles that our earth can’t sustain. People in the first-world need to learn to live with less, not more, but the liberals see it in their interests to fight for people who’re overwhelmingly all in the top 20% of the world in terms of wealth (the entire US population) to have even more than they do now. They are fighting to destroy our planet.

The setup today is not much different than it was under chattel slavery in this country. Had the settlers begged for more from the enslavers, where would that wealth be coming from? Would the enslaver be off to go sell “their” stuff to gather up some funds for the beggars or would they think of their options on how to extract even more wealth from the labor of the chattel slaves and/or on how to set up more plantations? Well, today when the settlers beg for more from the suit-dummies the suit-dummies are not thinking “oh, damn I got to go sell my yacht now to get some money for these people” they are thinking “damn, let me see if I can get some more blood out of my workers or otherwise I’m going to have to move my money and jobs somewhere we’ve made the people so desperate that they won’t give me any crap if I just pay them 2 dollars a day.”

Liberals are fascists and pre-fascists. Some have no problem whatsoever with raping and plundering the third-world to sustain their unsustainable Amerikan lifestyles, those are the fascists. The pre-fascists are those who say they are against war, but when they’ve ran away all the suit-dummies with their begging and their Amerikan lifestyle is slipping away from them, they will turn fascist in order to maintain what they believe they deserve, an Amerikan lifestyle that our earth can’t sustain and that only exists because they live in the house with gangsters who continuously rob the third-world in order to produce the Amerikan way of life. They believe that they deserve 10 dollar an hour jobs when the majority of the earth’s population lives on less than 3 dollars a day. Their belief implies that Amerikans work harder and deserve such income inequality over the third-world who “just aren’t working hard enough” or whatever mental gymnastics that they do to be so deluded.

Liberals, especially those involved in the okkupy movement, are racists. Racism is rampant and tolerated by all throughout the okkupy movement. Many indigenous peoples have been vocal about how they are offended that these people would proudly consider themselves occupiers on land that they’ve been trying to tell people for centuries that it is already occupied. The okkupy movement simply has ignored the message of the indigenous peoples who have put forth a call to “decolonize the 99%” and the racist “occupy” language persists. How would the Iraqi people feel if White people started gathering in the public squares of Iraq and proudly calling themselves “occupiers?” White people have a homeland, it’s called Europe. If they want to proudly proclaim themselves occupiers let them do so in Europe, not on stolen land obtained by genocide, petitioning a government that has no right to exist.

Perhaps the most disgusting of the racism at the okkupy movement is their call on non-Whites to show solidarity to the police and military. Asking non-Whites to be in solidarity with the police and military is every bit as racist as it would be to call on Black people to show solidarity to the KKK. If you don’t understand what I’m saying here then there is a very high chance that you are suffering from the mental illness called liberalism. If you believe that it is possible or righteous for a non-White person to show solidarity to those who’ve inflicted so much misery upon your loved ones, those who’ve brutalized your loved ones, those who hold your loved ones captive in the dungeons of this so-called “land of the free”, those who drop bombs on your loved ones, those who terrorize oppressed communities the world over and here at home, those who proudly sign on to serve the interests of the capitalist system that is racist to the core…you are completely deluded, you are completely blinded by White privilege, the privilege to walk out your door without threat of being harassed, brutalized, or murdered by the police, the privilege of not having loved ones being held captive in dungeons for crimes of poverty and desperation that the capitalist system has put people in and is determined to keep them in, the privilege of not having your loved ones be the ones who’re murdered by the US military for the crime of being poor and daring to stand up against the most vicious and destructive empire the world has ever seen. Believing that a conscious non-White person can show solidarity to the armed forces under command of the capitalist class is no less delusional than believing that a victim of rape could show solidarity to the rapist. There are no good rapists, and there are no good armed forces under command of the capitalist class. You cannot possibly sign on to say “yes I will take a person to jail if they practice their culture of using cannabis and yes I will take someone to jail if they “steal” from the suit-dummies in order to eat, I will also take them to jail if they become so depressed by the way the world is under capitalism that they turn to drugs etc..” and be a good person, you’ve signed your rights to be treated as a human away at that point.

The capitalist class has decided that it is time that the okkupy movement dies down after having served their interests very well through enabling them to instill more fear into their overtly fascist base (Christian fascists, “proud to be Amerikans” and generally all who’re under influence of the rich White culture) easily readying any further movement to an overtly fascist regime if they believe that it is necessary. On another day that will see 22,000 children in the third-world die of treatable conditions, let it be noted well that the diehard liberal fascists and pre-fascists of the okkupy movement are still infuriated that the top 20% of the world doesn’t have more than they already do. Liberalism is mental illness, revolutionary science is the cure, but it only works on those who’re truly concerned with the status of ALL of humanity (not simply those in the top 20%, typical Amerikans) and the survival of our earth.



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[-] -1 points by karenpoore (902) 12 years ago

Communist? That is what your profile states ...

[-] -1 points by genanmer (822) 12 years ago

The revolution has already started and won't be stopped. It's the direction that is important now.


[-] 0 points by SenderoRojo (5) from Tucson, AZ 12 years ago

What "revolution"? The one that, despite extensive media coverage, can hardly draw more people to an event than some high school football games? Again, liberals are deluded on many different levels. A revolution actually changes systems. Nothing is being changed by the okkupy movement. They are only requesting more of the $ame for them and "their people". The okkupy movement has much, much more akin to a fascist movement than to anything at all revolutionary.

[-] 0 points by genanmer (822) 12 years ago

You forget, occupy is global and stands in solidarity with protests internationally.

And occupy isn't generating the change. Rather, they are directing the change that is already underway in an unsustainable collapsing system. So what are you doing to help direct the movement in a positive direction?

Or are you here simply to promote divisions between different groups?

[-] 0 points by SenderoRojo (5) from Tucson, AZ 12 years ago

The okkupy movement isn't global. Conscious third-world peoples do not stand in solidarity with rich White people begging for more money (more of their blood). You see the okkupy movement overwhelmingly in first-world countries. In third-world countries such as India you see a real revolutionary movement that is based in revolutionary science and has the actually potential to change systems, whereas in the first-world you see hippy liberal pacifist beggars who are simply requesting more for themselves.

Revolution is impossible in the first-world. The people here are bought off and will never peacefully give up their Amerikan lifestyles. I advocate for the third-world people to rise up around revolutionary science to crush the first-world as we know it.I have no sympathy for the plight of any first-worlder when we live in a world that sees children eating cookies made of oil, sugar, and dirt in an all-too-often failed effort to survive. So I don't care what "divisions" I may be causing between the varing fascist (some call them liberal, or even "revolutionary") trends that believe that Amerikans actually deserve more, not less. When Amerikans are in the streets demanding to give back the wealth that's been stolen from the third-world in order to produce their "way of life" then I will be there with them, but that isn't what we see..we see typical Amerikan scum who think they actually deserve more.

[-] 0 points by genanmer (822) 12 years ago

So you've given up on the first world countries?

You don't believe they can change their lifestyle, and they will remain willfully ignorant of how dependent they are? (even when/as the collapse occurs)

Sorry I'm not that big of a pessimist. And by promoting open third-world violence against the first, you are inviting reciprocal violence which would be 100x worse for the 3rd world.. Sociopaths are just itching for any excuse/opportunity to drop more bombs and have made careers out of such activities.

[-] 1 points by SenderoRojo (5) from Tucson, AZ 12 years ago

No, as the collapse happens you will see typical Amerikans do exactly what they’re doing now, begging for more for themselves and organizing fascist forces to “take Amerika back to it’s roots”. These people have tasted the blood of the third-world, of the genocide and chattel slavery produced lifestyles they’ve led, and they simply want more.

And of course I understand that there will be war in order to destroy the first-world as we know it. I am willing to die on the frontlines in that war for the cause of a liberating humanity from the dictatorship of the capitalist class. As for them looking for an excuse to bomb countries, they don’t need any, they can just make up their own. Yes, the first-world has tremendous military capabilities and are not in short supply of people who support it (including those in the okkupy movement), but the power of the people is much stronger. Amerika tried to defeat Vietnam and failed miserably. The power of People’s War is infinite. In India the imperialists and their local puppets have tried everything to stop the revolution, but the almighty power of People’s War is winning.


[-] 0 points by genanmer (822) 12 years ago

The power of the people is in education/knowledge/information.

Affluenza is a learned disorder, it's not something born into people. The true war, is one of information. That is the difference between allies and enemies.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 12 years ago

"You forget, occupy is global and stands in solidarity with protests internationally."

One of its biggest flaws actually.

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 12 years ago

How so?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 12 years ago

Occupy is bad postmodernism. It attempts to define itself by borrowing from other protests: anarcho-syndicalism from 1930's Spain through David Graeber, the idea of using direct-democracy and consensus from earlier anarchist protests, non-violent direct action from Ghandi, epithets such as "Days of Rage" from the protests in 1969 Chicago and modern day Palestine, the idea of holding a town square like in Egypt, the many references to last century Russian communism through imagery posted on posters, Serbia, etc... However, unlike a good postmodern work, it fails to provide a strong core to unite these diverse influences, and it fails to properly re-contextualize these influences in order to make them unique to Occupy. It has taken various solutions provided by various protests around the world, but has not wielded them into a comprehensible whole capable of finding the specific solutions we need for the social-economical-political construct that is modern day America. By trying to be everything for everyone, it ends up being nothing.

To be global, one must first be local, then regional. A great orchestra is made up of many musicians each highly specialized in their own particular instrument; each having practiced all their lives before coming on stage with the others. Occupy is a violist who has just learned that his instrument is tuned differenty than a violin, but, nevertheless, wants to hope on stage with the other musicians.

Before OWS can participate on the global stage, it much find its truly American voice. Good American protests are made in America. The hippies in the 60s were modern, not postmodern. They had their own peace signs, their own music, their own sex in the mud, their own drug parties, etc... When we think about hippies, we have a defined picture of what they were. When we think of Occupy we remain baffled in front of the many dots that have yet to be connected.

Superman is based on the myths of Samson and Hercules; but those myths have been properly digested and Superman is thus truly American. Before Occupy can help the protesters in Egypt, it has to understand itself; it has to become like Superman.

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 12 years ago

So you believe Occupy needs a clearly distinguished identity. (at least in America)

The irony is that many supporters also support Anonymous as seen by all the Guy Fawkes masks.. I guess more self-reflective general assemblies by Occupy are in order.