Forum Post: As an Egyptian..
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 4, 2011, 2:28 p.m. EST by TheEgyptian
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First of All i am an Egyptian living in Cairo, have an Egyptian/American fiance. As an Egyptian, i am proud to see my fellow Americans contributing to this movement as we did to our revolution , I was optimistic when obama came to Egypt , to Cairo university and promised a world change and all the sweet talk u can hear from a politician.All i have to say that you elected people to represent you, but they are representing their fund raising parties and themselves. You have our support from across the world. be strong , they cant imprison ideas.
They will try to break you, infiltrate you , oppose your ideas , challenge your determination , spread lies to divide you and guess what they have the means to do it .. they did that with us , but we won a 30 years of dictatorship fall in a peaceful way.keep your heads up.
we had our revolution and still fighting for its main purpose , i just want to say that (You guys Inspire Us as we Inspired you) . i hope your message comes across , i have Worked as a banker/financial advisor and i know how things work and the inequality of things , you movment is Clean and Peacefull , keep it that way , and Dont let anyone rob you your right to be free .
Last but not least , i wish you have much feasible goals , not general goals , specific goals, a general plan , and have a represent (true re presenter of the people or even a group that represent the movement), the movement has a vision but not short precise goals that the other party can oblige too.
As an Egyptian , i know you Inspired me as we inspired you.
Peace out
Egypt should have brought back the Pharaohs in their revolution.
Not born and educated in Egypt I see, your grammar has American english styling. Not the standard British style usually used in Africa.
borned, raised in Egypt . educated in english/american schools , and graduated from an Arabian university , that doesn't mean i dont have a brain to think differently , but i agree most Africa tends to English style learning
Must have been a very long education, you even picked up the slang. I spent some time in Egypt, as a security contractor. Where are you from in Egypt?
well you are being educated as you grow each day as i believe so , i guess its been a long journey so far . i am from Cairo. nice to hear that u visited Egypt , hope u didnt have a bad experience ..
My job was to keep Apache oil personal out of the hands of the brotherhood, but yeah I had a good year. It is far to hot for me but I loved the food, especially the kofta.
its hot for any human soul redmist haha , well i am glad it went good for you , and kofta all the way ...
Is the Khalifa market still open?
well cairo is big my friend , so i am not sure which market is that. sorry .
I don’t want to sound contrary or negative because I know many people actually believe we can vote out the problem that plagues politics. I have seen this call to vote ‘for or against’ many many times and the result has always been ‘business as usual no matter who gets elected’. The problem is that the entire system is infected with a ‘greed’ disease. This includes all three branches of government. I don’t know of a solution but I do know that our republic has been purchased. I suspect the answer to this dilemma can be found in the history books.
u wont find it anywhere idaltu , i think we write our own history with the action of our ideas.
Egypt is having some real problems, but I love what has been done.
Don't listen to Obama, he talks from two sides of his mouth. He supports the illegal settlments.
yes we have real problems frank, and we are still far away from achieving what we have be longing for , i had faith in obama when he came , i felt he could change things and do things right for not just americans for the rest of the world , he was a false hope , but i cant blame him alone , he is chained with corrupted polticians whom serve the corporations and opposing congressmen and people who represent their own agenda , not the people interest
How about Egypt look into either social democracy or some form of worker control of society?
thank you. i have much respect for your courage and determination. Very sorry the power brokers are still there, trying to wrest control the people paid for in blood sweat and tears. you are true inspiration.
Egyptian people know full well the meaning of slavery, having lived under monarchy for thousands of years. May the Spirit of Saladin always be with you.
Thanks for your kind words.
THANK YOU so much for sharing your thoughts with us.
A few weeks ago, OWS received a statement from a unidentified group of "Comrades from Cairo", which contained some very good things but also some very - to my mind, at least - dangerous views on resorting to violence.
Would it be posssible to have your opinion on these views expressed in the paragraph before last ? Thank you so much!
"It is not our desire to participate in violence, but it is even less our desire to lose. If we do not resist, actively, when they come to take what we have won back, then we will surely lose. Do not confuse the tactics that we used when we shouted “peaceful” with fetishizing nonviolence; if the state had given up immediately we would have been overjoyed, but as they sought to abuse us, beat us, kill us, we knew that there was no other option than to fight back. Had we laid down and allowed ourselves to be arrested, tortured, and martyred to “make a point”, we would be no less bloodied, beaten and dead. Be prepared to defend these things you have occupied, that you are building, because, after everything else has been taken from us, these reclaimed spaces are so very precious."
The full text of the statement can be found here : http://occupywallst.org/article/solidarity-statement-cairo/
i had to read a bit the statment that u linked , i dont like whats written to be honest , in my honest opinion , violence is not the way , u r not fighting against a regime that oppressed you and killed your families in front of your eyes , your fighting a system and u want a change , only these things could be made in a non violent way , i must stress out the point that violence will weaken your argument , and will give them the credibility to fight you by force , but guess what they cant fight your ideas ? can they ? , since the situation is different in usa than Egypt , since you already are free and have "rights" , you already have won 50% of your ground , dont lose it by turning into a violent crowd , i encourage that you have specific plan and goals , that can be discussed openly.
THANK YOU for that! I agree with you 100%! Violence in our situation would be a FATAL ERROR. I will be personally sending your message to OWS leadership.
much appreciated and feel free to send me whats on your mind , will gladly help out
The situation in Egypt and the one in America are not comparable. There is no need for a revolution in US since there is no dictatorship in place. OWS do not want goals as they are using anarchy as their main tool.
I would love to have some of whatever it is you are smoking: no dictatorship in the US ? All three branches of our government have been purchased by the wealthy. We have the best government money can buy. And we are the slaves to that system. Our dictator is Corporate America. Try hard not to confuse that with 'Captain America'.
That's called an oligarchy, not a dictatorship. BTW - It's not a dictator's ship we are talking about but a dictatorship.
i have to agree with u in one point , that the 2 situations are different but yet the same , let me explain , we got rid of a tyrant , who or what do u want to get rid of ? a system that is built my politicians serving the corporations not the people . to me its the same . and in order for OWS to reach what it calls for , their must be precise goals. in either way i am inspired but OWS
The reason OWS doesn't have precise goals is precisely because the situation is not the same. We can draw a parallel, but the differences outweigh the similarities in my opinion. In Egypt, the government could not accept the protests because it was a tyranny that did not allow free speech. In US, protesters are essentially free to speak their mind and camp as long as they want. The situation and strategies are entirely different. The problem in US is not the entire system, and that is why they do not need a revolution. They simply need to put laws in place to separate market and state. The system can be fixed. They could use the system of Canada as a model. As you know, and will continue to know for a long time, a revolution doesn't fix all problems. Unfortunately, Egypt is still a long way from being a modern democracy.
I personally do not agree with the methods of OWS.
i agree with shizzle 08, that dictatorship is not represented in a person like in egypt but represented in a system. well Egypt is still far away from being a democratic country , we never lived a democrecy before , but we started , but this thread is not about Egypt really , its about people breaking chains , chains set by rulers, politicians and corporations. i am just wondering who will accept that USA to adopt a system used in canada , the 2 countries are very different from every aspect (economy , politics, healthcare) , unfortunately Americans dont write their own policies but american politicians do ( people you have elected to serve you and represent you, but they represent their best interest),
HAHA lets populate Canada instead of Occupying Wall Street....
I already do ;-)
I just think we should use the correct definitions. A dictatorship is when people do not have the right to vote, or when their votes don't matter. The ruler stays in place for a long time. That's not how it works in US. The best definition would be an oligarchy. Canada is different than US, you are right. But, it seems OWS is asking for a system that resembles the Canadian system quite a bit. For example, their main point seems to be removing money from politics. So, if you are right that a Canadian system would not work in US, then we must assume OWS will not work.
America is under dictatorship! What would you call the implementation of the same elite ideas exercised between given parameters? I would call that a "sliding dictatorship"!
I do agree with you that OWS does not have effective leadership. They need to move away from that freestyle model, but they will need to do later, for America is a very diverse society prone to splintering.
We have been a divided society all throughout history. Take a look at the American Revolution. We were a society composed of loyalists and dissenters. Then during the civil war we were split into North and South by racism. Now they have found ways to split us even further by giving us the illusion of endless choice. "United we stand divided we fall" That is why we have to make the movement appeal to the masses before we introduce cohesive demands. Each has his/her own bone to pick. We need to gather data in order to decide what people actually want before we can define the movement.
America is not under a dictatorship. If you think it is, it's because you have never suffered in the hands of a dictatorship. America is under an Oligarchy.
You're not gathering data. Your pissing in winter campgrounds, creating roadblocks, breaking windows, and soon you will be getting hit by rubber bullets in your genitals. If you want to gather data, simply create a website and invite every American to write one post on what he or she wants. No need to engage in civil disobedience to accomplish this.
I am an American living in China. I moved here after graduation to escape the economic situation. I can agree with you about America being an oligarchy. No mater what we call it its still messed up.
A mixture of civil public disobedience and online data collection should be sufficient. Its hard to identify with how foolish people act when publicly voicing their discontent, but it is the only way some people can be heard.
I just want to say that those american wars were instigated by the bankers in england looking for a foothold on our shores.
watch this video for more history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI
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Kill all gentiles Kill the jews Kill the coptics
Kill the women without headgear Kill the homos Kill the infidels and apostates
GO CALIFATE!!!!!!!!!
here is a pure fed media guy , right there ..its petty how u generalize.
Do you "walk like an Egyptian" like the Bangles sing about?