Forum Post: Arizona Nazi SCUM appear at OccupyPhoenix GA meeting!
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 12:24 a.m. EST by demonspawn79
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The so-called "Arizona Border Guard" made an unwelcome appearance at Phoenix's first General Assembly meeting on Oct. 15th armed with assault rifles and dressed in fatigues. We need to take a stand RIGHT NOW and tell these scumbags they are not welcome at any Occupation. Fascism and racism will not be tolerated.
http://firesneverextinguished.blogspot.com/2011/10/national-socialist-movement-scum-show.html
guns will not be tolerated
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states shall be allowed to have a standing armed malitia
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As much as I don't stand for what they believe in... It's called 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
Agreed.
demonspawn79, you didn't do a good job describing your concern. The problem isn't what they wear, it's what they believe, and how they make you feel intimidated. My intent here is to be more specific. The problem is what to do with people who don't support the same goals as Occupy when they show up. With guns.
My impression is that these are not official US Border Patrol. Right? There are citizens who act as a volunteer patrol. Mixed in with them, there are some really bad people: vigilantes, white supremacists, drug dealers, or a combination of these.
Shawna Forde, avowed white supremacist who worked with the volunteer border patrol, forced her way into the home of a latino family in southern AZ with 2 accomplices and attempted to execute them all. Two ended up dead. Forde is in prison.
Neo-nazis are in AZ and they're very agitated at this time. The Governor tried to use legal means to force the federal government to meet her standards of border control but with no success. Their poster boy, Russell Pearce, President of the state senate will most likely be recalled in a special election on Nov 8. Sheriff Joe has a multitude of problems too. The tide is going against them.
The real white supremacist neo-nazi is not sympathetic to Occupy. You may be tolerant of them, but they won't match it with equal tolerance. Some of them are "Sovereign Citizens." They don't believe any US law applies to them. I don't know that I have any solutions for you except to bring it up with the group outside the GA and see if there's any consensus.
Nice reply, thanks for the input. I honestly don't care if they attend protests as long as they leave their guns and politics at home. OWS is not a political movement and has no political goals or ambitions to speak of. They certainly do not tolerate violence and having these people show up in fatigues and holding assault rifles is in direct contravention of these basic principles. Unfortunately I don't live in Phoenix and can't bring this issue up at the GA, I only posted this to inform other occupations to be careful about these groups trying to co-opt the movement or destabilize it with fear and intimidation.
socialists welcome everyone and we believe in their rights. stop trolling with advocating hate and violence to keep people from our protests, this is a peaceful movement remember?
Did you even bother to read my post? The Nazis showed up with assault rifles to a General Assembly. What is peaceful about heavily armed fascists?
They can come if they are willing to debate and participate in our assembly with respect and honor. Occupy has no one to fear. Our ideas on war/peace, environment, human rights, greed, corporate/government corruption transcend race, class, religion, and nationality. We have nothing to fear from these vigilantes. We can convince them that their efforts at chasing migrants on the border are really a wrong interpretation of global systems lack of knowledge as to what really causes human migration and exodus and how population growth and unsustainable development are behind all these things...So let them come and participate. I guarantee they will leave with a different mind set.
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"So let them come and participate. I guarantee they will leave with a different mind set."
Yes of course, they're reasonable people as the Holocaust clearly demonstrates, you cretin.
So now you are saying who can and cannot protest? Fucking lout!
The Nazi scum can protest all they want, I don't give a fuck. I'm saying we cannot allow these subhuman animals to associate themselves with the occupations, especially when they show up holding assault rifles. This is a peaceful movement, what part of that is so hard to understand?
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Also, that website is damn near no better than the nsm,imo.
Yeah, first time I ever saw that blog tbh. Someone on the Global Revolution livestream posted a link to a Stormfront forum post, that's where I got the link to the blog.
Yeah what the hell? Oh yeah, the brietbart fanatics did vow to do whatever they could to discredit OWS
Seriously? Nobody has an opinion about this? I guess I won't be too surprised when the U.S. literally turns into Nazi Germany then. I'll be sniping these motherfuckers from the rooftops if they ever take power.
They have just as much right to be there as we do.
No they don't. No platform for fascists.
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no they do not. they can fuck off!
How do they not have the same right as you?
Umm they're nazis!Fuck them and what they represent. Who brings guns to a non-violent protest anyway?
Someone simultaneously exercising their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights to piss off someone else. They want you to be upset. Don't let them win.
If it were anyone else I wouldn't care. If its these scum bags I don't have any tolerance for who they are or what they represent.
Understand your feeling about these sh*ts. But that would be one helluva slippery slope.
No, they do not. This is a non-violent movement to progress the human race. These braindead scumbags are trying to drag us back 60 years. Everything they stand for is against the spirit of the U.S. constitution.They drive around the desert shooting at immigrants for fun.
Well when you have a movement with no leaders, no message, and no unity you leave it up to others to speak for you.
The door is left wide open for Nazi types especially because they see anti-Wall St as anti-jew.
We aren't anti-jew at all! Every person that screams anti-semetic things is in none of the old videos and they never show up again in any other video. They show up,shoot a vid expressing their bullshit and bail. Most likely if they aren't nutters, they got paid by someone to do that.
Look man, I realize that. You are just giving them a platform.
Without a clearly defined goal, this movement has managed to simultaneously earn the endorsement of both Nazis and a black President. Crazy.
This is why we need to stand against them as a whole. They need to know they are not welcome at any occupation demonstration.
90% of the comments on this page are plain trolls or just useless. Just remember that the neo-nazis are authoritarian by nature and by definition. They prefer a totalitarian system with a few people at the top dictating to the rest. They are the opposite of Occupy.
How many are there compared to the rest of the protesters? What about the hispanics? There's the possibility of confrontation if a neo-nazi asks a brown person to show citizenship papers. There is also the possibility they will fire on the police which could end the whole movement. You guys need to strategize. You might be able to all work together with ground rules. Or not.
interesting, thats the same thing we tell the lunatic racist scum that turn up at our tea party's. but most on the left continue to demonize us as though they are the majority within our ranks. what comes around goes around i guess. peace
I think the perceived racism is only a minor concern people have with the Tea Party. There are a lot of other things people don't like about the Tea Party.
Such as?
Such as the sociopathic nature of the Tea Party.
So you don't have an answer then. Or can you point out examples of their sociopathic nature?
Or are you for higher taxes, increased government regulations, continuing wasteful programs, bailing out banks and corporations?
A sociopath is someone who never considers what effect their actions have on other people. The Tea Party advocates policies that ignore the fact that humans beings are social creatures and can only survive through mutual cooperation. The Tea Party support an "every man for himself" ideology. That is not how society works.
You sound as though you don't know very much about the Tea Party Platform, which is in general about smaller less intrusive Government and individuals taking responsibility for their actions. Your view is either misguided or you are uninterested in discussion. Either way, good luck.
This has to be a ploy to discredit the movement. If the legit protesters explicitly asked the police to remove them, and the police didn't, GA needs to issue a statement to explicitly condemn both the carrying of weapons at a protest and selective police inaction.
Bug's Life Movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmUD9Jhfh_U
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No weapons at protest is probably a rule at OWS. Actually OWS has a few rules like that.
Me i would of called the cops.
If you click the link I posted you will see a picture of Police officers standing behind the Nazi scum holding assault rifles.
Those cannot be real weapons. For one Assault rifles are illegal. For 2, cops would never let someone have a gun out, especially an assault weapon around them/in a very public place like that.
"Assault rifles" - you obviously know nothing about firearms.
Yes, they are legal in certain states. Yes, you can openly carry them in certain states.
They are called AR-15s. Not "scary assault rifles" like the media calls them.
"The ArmaLite AR-15 is a selective fire assault rifle which was adopted by United States armed forces as the M16 rifle." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15
I think the media was right on that one. I thought they were made illegal. Maybe it was full auto that i am thinking of.
That's the problem with wikipedia. Anybody can write it and in some cases you need to know a little more to understand what you're reading.
Technically, I suppose that the article is correct but it's a little misleading given how the term "AR-15" generally is used. The original was the model for the M-16 and was a selective-fire weapon (i.e., capable of semi- or fully automatic fire).
As the term is used today, AR-15 refers to the civilian semi-automatic-only version. It is NOT capable of selective automatic fire. Basically, it's a scary "evil black rifle" that looks like an "assault rifle" but by any of a number of elements within the definition it's not really.
The media generally doesn't make the distinction. If it's black and scary looking, then it's an "assault rifle."
BTW, fully-automatic weapons are not "illegal" per se but they do require some significant hoops be jumped through and fairly expensive tax fees in order to own them as well as carry various other restrictions. Not something that you can just walk in and buy.
Ugh. We had a bunch of anti-choice protestors show up to Occupy Orlando. They didn't participate in GA thank god. Technically the movement is apolitical so we shouldn't silence the voices of the other 99%. That being said I'd probably block nearly anything proposed by those wackos. That's the best part of a consensus system. :-)
The pro-life crowd is one thing. These Neo-Nazi fucks are armed with assault rifles and taking the law into their own hands. I don't think you can really compare the two.
I didn't read the whole story sorry - if they have weapons call the police. If anyone in your occupation is displaying weapons it endangers us all.
The police were there. They didn't do anything.
Not much else can be done I guess. Idk its a tough one... Just keep blocking them and ignoring them - they'll get bored eventually.
Yeah, I was actually shocked when I found out police just let them stand around with weapons like that. The U.S. is not under attack, militias have no reason to be out in public with assault rifles. If they had been OWS protesters with guns they would have been shot on sight. It boggles the mind.
I would check into the AZ and Local ordinances about firearms in public parks... I know here in East Teabagistan, we recently changed state law to make it illegal to ban guns of any kind from any public property so I'm assuming its probably the same in West Teabagistan (AZ)
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Open carry is legal in AZ. However, prohibited in these locations:
Oh my god what are those evil scary looking things they are holding? (GASP) Are those G-G-GUNS??? Quick! Someone call Moveon.org and seize them! The 2nd amendment and liberal state gun laws won't be tolerated at our progressive event
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And whats wrong with liberal gun laws?
I''m not against the right to bear arms. I'm against Nazis showing up to a non-violent protest carrying assault rifles. If I had shown up with an AR-15 I would have been shot and arrested. Phoenix PD supports Nazis, simple as that.
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no fucking nazis allowed!