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Forum Post: are you sure we would not be better off without the confederate traitors?

Posted 1 year ago on March 19, 2013, 7:43 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Common this is ridiculous. Obamacare cements the monopoly of big pharma corps that everyone here hates so much. Open your eyes.

[-] -2 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

Good news. The last one died like a hundred years ago, so you can let it go.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Resurrected @ CPAC.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/15/1729331/cpac-slavery-minority-outreach/

"They wish they were in Dixie...." LOL

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Dixie should be put back it its copy and pissed in

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Buncha racist fucks. They WILL get theirs.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago
[-] -2 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

Bensdad will be thrilled to hear that. He can finally relax.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Isn't the republican party the new confederacy.

http://hg.scimth.net/2012/04/05/republicans-new-confederacy/

They certainly spread thesame kind of traitorous hate.

[-] 0 points by Narley (-634) 1 year ago

Amm, but the death penalty is still around, Texas leads the nation, averaging an execution every three weeks. Used to be every two when Bush was governor.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

But if we don't use our extra electricity to kill people,
what will we do with it?

[-] 0 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Keep up. Lethal injections are all the rage. Very few states even allow electrocution as the death penalty and the execute-e must choose it over drugs.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

How about these guys?

http://thenewconfederacy.com/The_New_Confederacy/The_Confederate_States_Of_America_Welcomes_You.html

You wanna pretend they ain't really spreading traitorous confederate hate?

[-] -1 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

Yeah right. I'm sure those guys are huge and powerful and not just a small group of losers with a web page . Might as well be freaking out about the New Black Liberation Militia or the Revolutionary Communist Party or evil wizards or some other imaginary threat while you are at it.

Calm down and quit fear mongering. It's not helping.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

no racisim here, bro

[-] 0 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

Nope. Just some demonizing, that's all.

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Imaginary.???

Wow, nice distraction & false equivalency with the comparison to the miniscule new black panthers. No comparison, more likely you are trying to cover for these right wing wacko hatemongers.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/spring/the-year-in-hate-2005

The numbers of confederate loving, intolerant hate groups are staggering.

Nothing imaginary about this threat.

Why are you covering for them.?

[-] 2 points by Narley (-634) 1 year ago

There been some press of how valid the SPLC hate group list is. Meaning they call people “hate” groups who really aren’t. The argument is if you’re a patriot group are a conservative religious group they will call you a hate group.

I don’t know enough about these so called hate groups to argue either way. But anytime any organization starts calling lots of people hate groups I have to question it. I mean what qualifications does a group need to be labeled a hate group? As far as I know SPLC has no checks and balances. As far as I know no one verifies their list as being a hate group.

I don’t know. Just sayin..

[-] -2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

"There been some press of how valid the SPLC hate group list is. Meaning they call people “hate” groups who really aren’t"

Your statement is absolutely not true. If it were you would have included a link of the "press" you claim there has been.

Every group SPLC lists has the evidence of their hatefulness. Check it out.

http://www.splcenter.org/who-we-are

Do you know of a group incorrectly labeled a hate group? Let's hear it. We can check it out together.

I doubt you will respond, you have no evidence to support your spurious accusation against this hard working, credible, honest, courageous, civil rights group that has been fighting against hate for more the 4 decades.

I do agree with last statement though. You DON'T know. Maybe you shouldn't say.

[-] 1 points by Narley (-634) 1 year ago

You seem defensive about SPLC. All I’m saying is I don’t know if their list is true or not. Seems to me SPLC has somehow set itself up as some type of watchdog. Just labeling groups as “hate” groups in a subjective manner. So’ I have to ask what makes SPLC so high and mighty they can call people they don’t like hate groups. I have to ask myself the SPLC’s motive.

I don’t know about SPLC, and I not interested enough to search for links you’re asking for. But think it’s prudent to at least be cautious about who really a hate group. I mean is a hate group just someone you don’t agree with? Is OWS a hate group? Is the tea party a hate group? Is antifa a hate group? Is the Baptist church a hate group? And the list goes on. Just because you don’t like someone doesn’t mean they’re a hate group.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Not defensive but honored to speak up for the decades old honorable courageous SPLC.

Nothing subjective about their labeling of hate groups. That is your ignorant (by your own admission) opinion.

A hate group is not someone you disagree with but rather a group that spews hate.

OWS is not a hate group.

Baptist church a hate group ? Not according to SPLC, but you can judge for yourself.

Tea party? Maybe, don't they hate gays, minorities, and immigrants?

You don't seem serious about this very serious issue. Which is telling in itself.

Good luck to you in all your non hateful efforts.

[-] 1 points by Narley (-634) 1 year ago

If you like SPLC that’s OK with me; and I’m not saying I dislike them. I’m saying no one should arbitrarily assume someone is a hate group without checking them out first. Just because SPLC says someone is a hate group is not enough for me.

And, for what it’s worth, the tea party is not a hate group. That’s you subjective opinion because you don’t like their politics. And no, I don’t think the Baptists are a hate group. But a lot of people consider all religious groups as hate groups.

My point is one should never accept an opinion that someone is a hate group. Check it out and decide for yourself before you decide. It really is subjective.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

SPLC does not assume arbitrarily. That's you blatantly lying about this great honest group fighting against hate.

I didn't say the tea party WAS a hate group. You asked about them and I offered my knowledge ofthem in the form of a question. You didn't address the specific hateful beliefs they seem to spew.

One way we can check on a group is by reading actual accounts and the SPLC is an excellent honest resource who are responsible hard working, fair people who have been at the forefront of the fight against hate groups.

If you object to hate & hate groups you should subscribe to their newsletter. Then you can decide for yourself. instead of just talkin outta your ass..

[-] 2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

"You asked about them and I offered my knowledge of them in the form of a question. You didn't address the specific hateful beliefs they seem to spew."

They "seem to spew"??? People either SPEW something, or they don't. Your "knowledge of them in the form of a question" indicates that you don't have any evidence to back up what you THINK they believe. If you DID know, because you had PROOF, you'd have posted a link to quotes and factual evidence to back up your partisan assumptions. You can't possibly be serious about this very serious issue if your "knowledge" is really just opinion based on propaganda.

Narley is one of the most solid, honest, and upfront people I've ever seen on the net and you just accused him of talking outta his ass. YOU are one of the most hateful people on this forum. Your constant attacks on people you don't know, have never met, and which are based on sheer assumptions and bias are endless here and all stand as perfect examples of your hatred for anyone and anything that doesn't mirror your point of view.

Of course....you act just like the Southern Poverty Law Center-

http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/bloody-hands-the-southern-poverty-law-center/

The Singing Nuns are on their hate group list- http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/outrageous-far-left-southern-poverty-law-center-puts-singing-nuns-on-its-hate-groups-map/

And here's a whole bunch of "evidence" for you to consider about this honest group, AND it's benevolent founder-

.."Morris Dees [founder of the Southern Poverty Law Center] won a judgment for a black woman whose son was killed by Klansmen. She received $51,875 as settlement. Mr. Dees, according to an investigation by the Montgomery Advertiser, pulled in $9 million from fund-raising solicitation letters that featured a particularly gruesome photograph of the grieving mother's son. Mr. Dees, who pays himself an annual salary of $275,000, offered the grieving mother none of the $9 million her son's death made for him. "

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/southern_poverty_law_center_splc_info.html

Just TWO of the twenty links listed on the lower left of the site- *Charity Navigator gave the SPLC an overall rating of only one star and a score of only 39 in 2004.

*The American Institute of Philanthropy's Charity Watch gave the SPLC an overall rating of F from 1999 through August, 2009.

Good luck talking out of your ass VQuack with your foot in your mouth there as well.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I disagree with your phony links, your hateful rant, your unfounded accusations about me, your lies about narly's "solid, honesty"

Charity Navigator gives SPLC a 60 out of 70. So take your defense of hate somewhere else.

Lying piece of shit. You have NO honor!

[-] -3 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

More evidence that you ignore everything you don't like. It says in 2004.

You are one of the most frequent "hate ranters" here, and you change your ID so you can twinkle up your hateful rants. You can deny and disagree all you want to, but all of the evidence YOU keep posting here just demonstrates that you are a phony, lying, dishonest, most likely crazy individual. That renders your declarations about my "honor" or anyone else's is just the empty rhetoric of the insane.

I pity you.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're not making sense, please reread the related comments and rethink your response.

Thx Your the best

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I didn't say splc would put you on a list if they only had your name. That's you blatantly lying because your position is too weak to withstand the truth.

I said if we knew your name you might be on their list. Already on their list because you are hateful. You certainly defend hate groups, and attack anti hate groups.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

I used the word "might" twice in my response. You're blatantly lying about my position because your own is too weak to withstand the truth.

Your newest declaration is that I am -"Already on their list because you are hateful" Apparently they don't even need my name or evidence that I'm hateful-just your authorized and professional declaration that I am! You're making them look less and less trustworthy all the time here VQuack.

You can only honestly say that I defended a group that YOUR SPLC calls a hate group, but you cannot say that I have ever defended a a group that has been undeniably proven to be an actual hate group. So stop lying so blatantly here (it makes your position look too weak to withstand the truth)

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

No I ain't brilliant but I know hate. I've fought it all my life. You attack those fighting against hate and so you have chosen your side.

You stand WITH the hate groups.

You call me hateful as a deflection, a weak attempt at false equivalency, cause you know you have aligned yourself with hate groups against the brave, decent SPLC.

You're a joke, pathetic, hatemonger. If we knew your name you might be on their list.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Nope. Wrong again. Must be way off your meds today.

I INCLUDE your precious SPLC on my own personal list of hate groups and I will never stand with them because of their behavior. If you actually "knew" hate, you'd be able to smell them coming a mile away too. You only align yourself with them because they HATE the same people you do.

OOOOOHHHHH scarey...if "we" knew my name I might be on their list? So above you claimed they don't "assume arbitrarily"...and now you're saying all they might need is my NAME in order to put me on their list! You constantly undo your own arguments all by yourself.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

All unrelated distractions and lies.

But I do not malign the brave soldiers fighting against hate and intolerance like you.

I got that going for myself.

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Nope. All completely evident and related to everything you post.

You wouldn't recognize a brave soldier fighting against hate and intolerance if one made you stand in front of a mirror and listen to yourself until you could no longer deny it.

It's nothing to brag about.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You can't find ONE hateful comment from me.

You are a lying piece of shit, and have no honor. But that ain't hate for you. that is me fighting your attack on the soldiers fighting hate.

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Rofl! You're freaking brilliant aren't you?

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

You posted a link. For what purpose?

[-] 2 points by shooz (26715) 1 year ago

Edification

Hopefully, yours.

[-] -1 points by Narley (-634) 1 year ago

Wow, I didn't know any of that. I've never done any research on the SPLC. I glad to know my suspicions about SPLC are founded. Thanks!

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

http://www.splcenter.org/

Don't be afraid.

[-] 3 points by shooz (26715) 1 year ago

This would make a fine compliment.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21785) 1 year ago

I love that site. I do, I do. That's one of my favorites.

And right there on the front today is that evil doer Barton.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Very few people here are interested in actual facts or evidence, especially when it might reveal their propensity towards propaganda and spin. Just give them a headline or title that fits their agenda, and they'll embrace it eagerly without bothering to actually dig in and find out if it's actually true or not. Doesn't matter to them.

Hard truth though is that it DOES matter to other people. A lot of them still. And the people with enough personal integrity to question everything themselves and do their own homework before taking sides on any issue will never be a part of a movement that doesn't.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Your babbling.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You provided that weak evidence for the anti Semitic church. That is defending hate groups.

Your attacks on the anti hate group SPLC gives aid and comfort to every white supremacist, homophobic, anti Semitic group in the country.

Face it. You stand WITH hate

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Nope. You believed in the weak accusations made that the church was anti Semitic. Neither you, nor the SPLC, nor anyone else GETS to decide what other people believe. YOU have zero authority to say what a group believes at ALL, and if that group says it doesn't believe what you accuse it of, you get to shut the hell up or get called an arrogant, lying, ass by anyone with more than two braincells.

And ROFL-

"You attack the anti hate group which gives aid and comfort to every white supremacist, homophobic, anti Semitic group in the country."

Since you claim I'm attacking the "anti-hate group-the SPLC" then you are now on record stating that the SPLC gives aid and comfort to every white supremacist, homophobic, anti Semitic group in the country!

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

But you and Narly are right there defending hate groups cause you do the research.

Right?

LMFAO. What a fuckin joke!!

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Haven't defended a hate group yet Spinmeister. At least not according to my definition of an actual hate group. That's all you defending the SPLC.

[-] 1 points by Narley (-634) 1 year ago

Lighten up a little. I’m not demonizing the SPLC. But I do believe calling people a “hate” group is subjective; and can be arbitrary. I have no doubt SPLC believes every group they label a hate group really one. But other people would disagree.

All I’m saying is people should be cautious when accepting any organizations labeling of groups. That’s not limited to SPLC, but to anyone who sets themselves up to judge others.

I’m sure SPLC is a good organization. But some people do consider them to a dangerous organization. So’ people have to decide for themselves.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

If you think the groups SPLC call hate groups are wrongly labeled as such you should provide the example.

Otherwise you should be thankful this honorable group is doing the hard, thorough work of identifying, denouncing, & fighting hate.

We're all against hate aren't we? Why would you attack this hard working anti hate group.

[-] 0 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

I just provided a whole lotta evidence that the SPLC is about the most hateful, AND propaganda based organizations on the planet for dear VQuack/inclusionman/20 other IDs. The SPLC makes MILLIONS demonizing everyone they don't like-from the KKK (who deserves to be on their lists) to the Singing Nuns (who do not).

They make MONEY selling hate. No wonder inclusionman adores them.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I didn't see your singing nuns on their site so that is just another one of your lies against the decent, hard working anti hate group.

Why are you acting as an agent of hate mongers who would spew against the group fighting hate.

You have NO honor.

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Look for Mount Saint Michaels. It's a Catholic convent in Washington State.

It's not a lie.

YOUR OPINION, is that the SPLC are a decent, hard working anti-hate group. But the FACT is that the SPLC makes it's MONEY by labeling anyone they wish to as "haters", even if they have ZERO evidence to prove their allegations. They have to inflate the numbers, make it appear like "hate it growing" in order to keep those tax free dollars flowing into their coffers.

I refuse to give honor to people OR groups who use lies and influence to take advantage of other people under the guise of "goodness" and "love". Pretty much the groups that people like YOU are always holding up as examples of such.

Get over it.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

They haven't used lies and influence to take advantage of any one.

They take great risks and are under constant threat from racist, homophobic, anti Semitic Hate groups.

Mount St Micheals is a well known anti semitic church. Just because it is a church does not put it above hate.

So you are defending THAT anti Semitic church.

Wow. I understand. Not everyone believes in tolerance and acceptance.

One look at the list of groups on the SPLC website and I can tell where you are on the issue of intolerance and hate.

You are maligning the soldiers who fight against hate and intolerance.

If the hood fits....you gotta wear it.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Of course I checked on the anti Semitic church myself. They were also carrying many anti Semitic books besides the many anti Semitic statements they've been caught spewing.

And it ain't just the SPLC who knows this church to be hateful, other anti hate groups agree.

So take your defense of hate somewhere else. I know better. I won't abide.

[-] 0 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Reply to inclusionman-

You have no proof that MT St Michaels is anti-Semitic. They defend themselves quite well.- http://www.cmri.org/02-antisemitism.html

YOU are defending the SPLC's disgusting attempts to slander the church by taking quotes out of context and engaging in propaganda.

"Not everyone believes in tolerance and acceptance"? What a hypocrite you are. You neither tolerate nor accept ANYONE's beliefs or point of view if they disagree with your own. You are the very epitome of a bigot. And your endorsement of the SPLC isn't a shock to anyone.

One look into the accusations made by the SPLC will demonstrate that they love to edit, spin, and then pretend that their version of things qualifies as evidence or proof of "hate" . I'd dare you to do your own homework but that would require honor and you toss around the term so lightly you can't possibly have any.

[-] 0 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

OMG! You are so right! Why are you wasting your time here? Quick, jump in your time machine and go back to 2005 to fight those armies of Nazis that were threatening our nation.

There are larger, mainstream issues that need to be addressed rationally. Leave the fringe over there and quit trying to link them to people you disagree with. You're doing the same thing as those who tried to make those dudes in Cleveland the face of OWS.

[-] -2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

More ignorant false equivalencies. The number of hate groups has gone up dramatically since 2005. hundreds more groups, thousands of more hateful people.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/hate-groups-on-the-rise-in-u-s-report-says/

This issue is a high priority for any tolerant, progressive group. Your dishonest efforts to compare it to a few people in Cleveland is laughable.

Stop minimizing this crises, Stop covering for these racist fucks.

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." MLK

[-] 0 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

Apparently you need a history lesson. The Democrats were the racist's,the KKK,that started gun control to keep freed blacks from owning guns and it was Republicans and Lincoln that freed the slaves. It was the Democrats in the '60s that fought against civil rights,that did not want blacks to be equal or free to vote.

IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS!!!

delusionman

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

yeah fifty years ago as LBJ said "the dems will lose the south (racists) for a generation" after the Dem pres convinced enough Southern dems to support the repubs on the civil rights laws.

Then Nixon created and used the 'southern strategy' to take the south for the repubs.

So now the repubs are the anti minority, anti immigrant, anti science anti women, anti gay party. And the dems are FOR all these things.

Are you caught up now moron?

Have you arrived in the 21st century yet.?

All repubs are not racists, but aren't all racists republicans?

[-] 0 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

"I'll have those n**gers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

-- Lyndon B. Johnson

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Do you have a link for that quote or is this part of your delusion.?

LBJ was pretty crude but I haven't seen that quote.

Never mind found it. from 5 decades ago. Meaningless old racism that is not relevant to todays issues.

[-] 0 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

No, I'm making stuff up to impress you. Ugh

Google "lbj voting democratic" and take your pick, about 4,280,000 results

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Found it. Not surprised. So? What is your point.?

[-] -1 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

Nailed it,big time. LMAO,thanks.

[-] -1 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

Don't have to thank me for cluing you in delusionman.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Especially since you didn't. Events of 50 years ago or 150 years ago are irrelevant.

Repubs would like to distract people with that ancient history, but it only serves to highlight how far repub behavior has drifted. TODAY the party is anti minority, anti women, anti gay, anti immigrant, anti college aid, anti Medicare, anti science.

TODAY the party is fucked up. They know it, You know it, and that is why you try to shift/deflect attention away from todays repub party action to the acts of a century and a half ago.

Pathetic, transparent.

[-] -1 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

"Events of 50 years ago or 150 years ago are irrelevant."???

So does that go for the signing of the Constitution? The Emancipation proclamation? Civil rights? Sounds like you're the fucking racist here.

LBJ's comments demonstrate exactly where the Democrats were and are still going. The Democrats have created generations of slaves out of blacks voting against their own interest. Lied to and propagandized by the Democrats.

How has your bud Obama improved the lives of blacks in America today?? Black unemployment is at an all time high. Just more and more disenfranchisement. The black family has been devastated by the Democrats and their war on poverty and Government welfare plantation. Chicago is a great microcosm of what Democrats can do to a city if given enough time to Govern with their fucked up Ideology of Governmental welfare and dependence. Yeah,look how gun control really works...NOT!!

So that makes you an even more of dipshit for promoting and being a part of this fucked up Democrat Party.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are not dealing in reality. The fact is republicans only priority is giving tax cuts to white millionaires.

Dems have a long way to go but they ain't racist, they are fighting for increasing min wage, & raising taxes on the rich.

They are fighting for job creation laws & repubs have obstructed every effort.

Repubs policies crashed the economy, and repubs obstructed all efforts to strengthen the recovery.

This is why why the poorest Americans have suffered so much. Because of republican/conservative policies (that some dems always support).

[-] -3 points by eteller (-132) 1 year ago

southern dems started the KKK.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

A century and a half ago, by right wing wacko dems!

And the current white supremacy groups are still right wing wackos, just not dems anymore. Now they are courted by the republican party.

[-] -1 points by eteller (-132) 1 year ago

Robert Byrd ( D-W Va) was of this century and up untill not all that long ago,........was a higher up in the KKK

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Today the Republican party is the party of the racists.

[-] -1 points by elevenT (-99) 1 year ago

Why is it that the democrat blacks in congress created the Congressional Black Caucus? Isnt that racist? They also excluded Allen West when he was in congress, a black but not a democrat.

[-] -2 points by eteller (-132) 1 year ago

really? please give actual examples.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Byrd was a KKK member for one year and spent his entire political life (1953 - until he died) denouncing, renouncing & apologizing for his part in the KKK.

Try to stick with the truth.

Dem party WAS the racist party. but the repubs are the racist party now.

[-] 0 points by eteller (-132) 1 year ago

why did byrd vote against the civil rights act ?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Actual examples of republican racism

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/03/15/1729331/cpac-slavery-minority-outreach/

And a compilation

http://occupywallst.org/forum/cant-just-the-republican-party-is-not-qualified-to/#

Check out ALL the links in that thread and then get back to me. but please not before you've read them all.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You'de have to ask him. but who cares? that was decades ago. There were many racist Dems & repubs back then.

TODAY, the racist party is the republican party.

And today is more relevant to our problems than 45 years ago.

[-] -1 points by eteller (-132) 1 year ago

the dems as a group in DC vot4ed against the civil rights act. the dem govenors in the south blocked integration.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Byrd was in the KKK in 1941 (last century.) almost 75 years ago.!

Dems were the racist party. And now (since the early 70's) the racist party has become the repub party.

Try to keep up.

[-] -1 points by eteller (-132) 1 year ago

Robert Byrd died in 2010 and was a life long KKK member despite his denials

[-] 0 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

"why did byrd vote against the civil rights act ?"

Better question is why did he collapse the night of Obama's inauguration in 2009? Coincidence?

[-] 1 points by eteller (-132) 1 year ago

maybe poor health,.................he was 91 at the time. had to be wheeled ( was in a wheel chair) into and out of the senate for years.

[-] -3 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

If you were actually grounded in reality you would have read my post. Obviously you didn't cause your reply is completely insane.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I disagree.

[-] -1 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

You deny.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You clearly do not understand leftist concepts.

Simply put we believe we are strongest when we are all doing well. Conservatives only work to keep the wealthy doing well.

Progressivism = "we're in this together"

Conservatives= "you're on your own"

The founders believed in "general welfare' "common good" "strength in "union". This is why we formed the "united" states. This is why we have always taken more taxes from the rich (blue/liberal) states and given to the poor, (red/conservative) states.

America is all about helping out those less off. And it makes us stronger and has made us great.

[-] -2 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

You write in Democrat talking points,propaganda and slogans.

I actually understand the Left better than you apparently. I understand the Left enough to know when you can't address my points and can't offer a defense to my assertions,but only offer generic Democrat talking points,it means I've actually defined you and your ideology very well indeed.

You can't defend the indefensible,so grow up and stop trying to.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

What's wrong with being a leftist?

Don't you support taxing the rich, cutting taxes for the working class?

How about breaking up the banks? prosecuting the criminals on wall st?

universal public option health insurance?

Clearly you defend the todays racism of the right by trying to attach old leftist (Lincoln, etc) to todays republicans, ut what about these other leftist issues.

Y'know the 1st president who suggested universal health insurance was Teddy Roosevelt, a republican.!

[-] -2 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

"What's wrong with being a leftist?:"

Everything,...the ideology is diametrically opposed to the America of the Founders. Thus "Leftist's" have continually found themselves jumping through hoops for over a hundred years to "fundamentally transform" America into something that can "co-exist" with this fucked up,errant Utopian bullshit ideology.

Leftist's seek to destroy any vestiges of morality,religion or God.

"cutting taxes for the working class?"

If you look at what has happened Obama is doing just the opposite. For the Leftist Utopia to exist it must take from everybody and subjugate everybody to a greater good which invariably creates a tyranny and dictatorship of rich and evil.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" The motto of the Left.

"universal public option health insurance?"

It is a Leftist Utopian panacea that has failed in one form or another in every country its tried,much like Socialism,Marxism and Communism. It all leads to the same dismal conclusion.

You need to rethink your loyalties.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I read it, it ignores reality. One party (repubs) is for the rich unequivocally.

The other (Dems) sometimes succeed at helping low income, small business, sick, elderly, labor, working class people.

But only if the Dems can stop the racist, anti labor, pro corp puppet republican efforts at obstruction.

[-] -2 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

Written like a true Leftist ideologue.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I reject all your partisan assertions. I outlined clearly the proper way to compare the 2 main approaches to governance.

Your way is empty, selfish, greedy, & heartless.

the leftist approach is compassionate, fair, and allows for strong communities working together.

The leftist/progressive approach is unquestionably better for most people.

Your way serves the corp 1% oligarchs. The crash of 2008, and the growing income inequity proves your way is an utter failure.

[-] -1 points by sylquester (-41) 1 year ago

Here you go,...more Democrat talking points and propaganda,you're more like a parrot then using any critical thinking skills.

I'm proudly partisan,you pretend you aren't but really are a liar.

You reject the truth because it's too hard to take. I've laid it out and told you exactly who you are and what you support and the truth about your ideology.

You're lying to yourself and seem to be trying to convince yourself that what you believe is good and righteous.

But I know and so do you that it isn't. You really need to do some deep soul searching and discover what you really believe and turn off the MSNBC talking heads.

You're demonstrating weakness and doubt. You must resolve this first before you can convince anybody of who you really are and what you say is righteous.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

And of course we got this groups of new confederate traitors as well.

http://www.csapartisan.com/index.html

Aren't we better off without THEM?

[-] -1 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

Not very inclusive there, VQ.

No matter which side they are on, people who are still fighting the Civil War are simplistic losers.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Agreed, So then we CAN do without the hateful traitorous new confederates?

Is there a new unionist group? Oh I guess that would be the United States of America, & we didn't get our asses beat like an old salvation army drum?

LOL

[-] -2 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

We? Don't know how old you are but I had nothing to do with it. Is one of your personalities a Civil War vet?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Those people who cover for these hate groups are complicit in there crimes.

Your immature, meaningless distraction of dishonest personal attacks on me goes right along with the tactics of these hate groups, and only illustrates the vacancy of your position.

Inclusionman IS the only account I post with.

[-] -1 points by urbanguy (-67) 1 year ago

I've read some interesting stuff. Cone of shame. Debating yourself with different screen names. Paid to post. Probably for the best to just ignore you going forward.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You just can't maintain your ridiculous arguments when challenged by logic and truth.

And once again you must go off topic to dishonestly attack me personally because of the vacancy of your position.

Right wing racists must be identified & denounced. And their supporters as well.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

And I do not abide racists! I mean unless they convert to love, tolerance and inclusion man.