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Forum Post: Are You Better Off Today?

Posted 2 years ago on April 29, 2012, 7:57 a.m. EST by toonces (-117)
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... Than you were three years ago? Are food and gas prices lower? Are you able to work enough to enjoy vacations and getaways? Are your friends able to work and enjoy life, or has making ends meet become harder?

Are you really considering voting for Obama again?

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[-] 5 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Hell no, I'm not voting for Obama. No, I'm moving to Greece so I can enjoy some deep austerity cuts. Oh wait, isn't that Mitt's plan. Heck, I guess I'll stick around and vote for Mitt, I can't wait for him to put in effect the Ryan budget so I can enjoy my very own austerity measures here in my beloved America. Romney is so cool. I really look up to him. I know someday I'm going to be filthy rich too. And as soon as I get as rich as him, I will only have to pay a low 13.9% tax rate just like Mitt does. Heck, with Romney as my president, all my current worries about food and gas prices will be gone. Unemployment will skyrocket just like in Greece and I won't even have to worry about eating anymore, seeing as my food stamps will get cut from the budget under the Mitt/Ryan plan. Woo Hoo! Let's hear it for Mitt. I'm so enthusiastic about him, I literally can't wait to vote for that rich bastard.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I'm wearing grey of austerity

Greece doesn't have austerity, They have government cuts and increased unemployment

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

What does wearing grey mean? I'm not familiar with the colloquialism.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

austerity is about living in a minimalist simplicity

using efficiency to serve human need without decoration

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Deep.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

and having nothing to do with Greece cutting government jobs

.

government jobs by all right would be an efficient means to serve the people

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Would it be pretentious of me to ask a favor, could you throw in a third line once in while to break the monotony.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

HAHHahhahahahaheehehehooo....... give the troll a break.... tell it that your comment was sarcasm or it won't have a clue. It will be all misty eyed for the perceived support...could be funny to see it's expression though I mean if it figures it out. {:-D

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

I'm like a mockingbird. I'll only fly away. I'll only fly away.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Such wickedly good humor in attendance today.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

When Chatman asks some deep thought provoking questions, I'll respond with some deep thoughtful answers. Until then, mock engine on full throttle!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well in that case you will be absolutely flying down the road. I don't think I have seen a comment or question such as you describe.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

I wrongly attributed this thread to chatman when it was toonces. If they would all quit saying the same things, I might be able to tell them apart.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well - tootes - huh. Hope it's not a mach engine - you could end-up with a really nasty case of wind burns - possible 3rd degree.

OH - that would be very hard to do without usernames - handbook - talking points - lost without.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Oh, I see how you manage to keep them apart - nicknames. Tootes. Good call.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you thank you very much...my severally functioning synapses do seem to kick in once in a while. Nice to hear someone else confirm it though.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

No problem Elvis.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I'm sorry I'm de......Elvis is dead.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Legends never die.

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[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I sure hope so. The venom spewed recently was getting a little out of hand.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

trolls watcha gonna do? They are seeing the awakening of Humanity happening and it has them scared confused and feeling cornered.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

I expect it from them. It's our regulars and semi-regulars that are getting a little too steamed. I won't mention any names, they know who they are.

But then, the old saying, "Never discuss religion or politics" was coined for a reason, I guess. Religion, not so much anymore, but politics, well, . . . it's obviously still a touchy subject.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Passions run high when you are fighting corruption greed and crime the big three that flushed our economy - and then to put up with the deniers of reality - well - just be glad they are not in the same room.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Passions do run high, don't they? That's why I haven't made much of a deal about it; you kind of expect things to occasionally get out of hand.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I am pleasantly pleased that things have stayed so peaceful and law abiding to this point in time.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Indeed. Let's hope it stays that way.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is in my prayers. I would really like to see the cops tone it down.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You have a choice of austerity now, or later. I see no reason to do it now, and neither do the politicians.

Ryan's budget is just more wars, more spending. It doesnt come close to meaningful change. Its a typical DC budget.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

That sounds about right, but I can't help myself when it comes to mockery, I get carried away.

[-] -2 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago

and Obama's plan is? I'm still waiting after 3 + years. No budget - no plan. Just class war fair soak the rich business is evil, banks are evil, oil is evil GOP is evil, Insurance companies are evil. 1% are evil - Thats not a plan.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Neither side has a viable plan, because there is no getting out of this. The amount of cuts needed to shrink the debt (lets not even get into 5 years from now when we get into the heart of the boomers gen) would level the country. Riots everywhere.

They want a welfare/warfare society, with little choices. The country is the way it is because THEY (both of them) want it that way.

When the spending is in the trillions, I really dont think a budget is necessary, they arent trying to be modest anyways.

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[-] -2 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago

the ryan plan is a viable plan. Simpson Bowles is a viable plan

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Simpson Bowles was a pathetic attempt at anything.

The Ryan plan is a total joke, just slightly cuts the increases, there is no net cut. Its a total sell out job as usual, and I like Ryan. No leadership on the issue in either party, because neither wants to stop the spending.

I cant say that if I had printing press in my office, and no one cared, I would give it up.

Neither side will do what it takes, they don't have the balls.

[-] 0 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago

so - still - you offer no plan of your own. just like the president & the dems - just criticize with no plan of their own. what is YOUR plan?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

A) Dont compare me to these clowns in DC. I actually work.

B) My plan- end the wars. Scrap the tax code, start over. Monetary policy- all decisions by the fed are run through congress with a vote. It would at least help with transparency.

[-] -2 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago

ok - so why dont you share your plan with me. Why is it like pulling teeth Geezz! So far - no plan!

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[-] 0 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

the current debt is unsustainable, if there are not cuts in spending ( we dont have)the country will go under. is that what you want?

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

It is certainly appearing to be total financial collapse being the only outcome possible. A global monetary rescue fund will probably emerge, along with a new global currency for everyone.

Socialism will look like a picnic in the park compared to what is in store for everyone below middle class.

The push clearly needs to be, bring 90 % of your troops home, and set them to work repairing roads and bridges and other infrastructure, and get all the medics out on the street treating the homeless for free.

Quit pretending to be the policemen of the world, and tell the 0.01% to fund their own invasions and political coups. Isn't Blackwater now big enough to do their own dirty work?

Forget buying oil from the Arab nations. Pump your own wells, and send those nations broke.

And enough with making food and water commodities to play around with on the stockmarket. They are essentials, just like medicines. Make it a crime to play the insider stockmarket, like all your criminal congress is currently doing. The world is watching.

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[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Stupidity should be unsustainable also, and yet.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We are past the days when Darwin would cull much of that - still there are dangers still in the modern world for the terminally stupid.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Deep. I need a smoke now.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Exotic (?) or disappointingly decaffeinated ?

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

huh? come again?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I need a smoke now

Exotic (?) or disappointingly non-herbal (?)

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

non-herbal.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Just kidding you know. Though I do think it should be legal. One less criminal activity making black market money and trouble.

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[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Obama has already brought us those problems.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Fact-checker says big fat lie, he inherited those problems. If you want to attack Obama, there are plenty of things I would agree with you on, but let's keep it real now.

[-] -1 points by takim (23) 2 years ago

obama has spent more in his term than all the other presidents combined.

[-] 2 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Show me the facts. Even better would be a side by side comparison of Obama and Bush spending. Bush spent for two wars he did not pay for, and I know wars ain't cheap.

[-] -3 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago

so does that mean you are better off than you were 3 years ago or not lol? That was the question remember?

[-] 3 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Short-term planning has strengths and weaknesses. In the case of casting a vote, it is better to take a broader approach, rather than the narrow question you are asking, for example, I could ask, at what point in my life was I best off, what policies were in effect, what kind of leadership, etc. Life is not as simple as you would like people to believe.

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[-] -2 points by chatman (-478) 2 years ago

life is as simple of difficult as you make it for yourself. In your case you are having a difficult time because you are a miserable, self loathing, envious child who has joined a collective temper tantrum of people of the same thinking.

[-] 1 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Quite the short-shit answer, my friend. You make little effort to further your argument by resorting to a blatantly obvious stereotype.

[-] 3 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Actually, you should look at real wages for the past several decades; you would find that real income for workers has stayed about the same, except for the least-educated, lowest-paid workers, who have lost in real income.

Since 1980 Republicans have controlled the White House twenty years, while the Democrats twelve. Are you really considering supporting a Republican again. Considering your posts, you should probably reconsider.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I will take my chances. I have seen how the Dems have run thins since 2006.

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

That is consistent with your posts.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Brainwashed into lesser of two thinking

[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

Neither major political party has any real interest in helping workers. That can only be accomplished by the workers.

[-] 2 points by Riley2011 (110) from New Britain, CT 2 years ago

Bills are lower because I refused to pay banks anymore money I cut them up and shut down the accounts Gas prices ...do all chores on weekends in one shot ..make up the cash by cutting coupons Vacations..look for deals off season Friends are wiped out I hate my job and would love to leave but economy is shot Vote? Not Obama....

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

No, let us vote for Mittington Romulus the 3rd! As he helped build a chain of box stores that sell office supplies, (and he likes to talk about it like he did something other than provide some of daddy's money to do the start-up!) With such skills as that and his magic underwear, and high rank (biship!) in the mormon cult I am sure he can rebuild america. LOL (more like re-shape america)

Every sane person should vote for Obama, realizing that doing so is just a stop gap, till we can finally brake the back of this hopelessly corrupted 2 party debacle the 0.1% tell us is a democracy. Obama is clearly the lesser of the two evils.

[-] 2 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

I am personally but not because of Obama. I don't care who wins the presidential election, they're both virtually identical anyway.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Romney is not a communist.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Another cartoonces post, followed by this choice comment above clearly and hilariously displaying that 'cartoonces' regards 'Obomber' as being a Communist !!!

The reality is that 'cartoonces' is waaay to the right of The GOP of old and desperately attempts to sanitise and render his posts and comments innocuous and anodyne until and unless 'the mask' slips, like with his bizarre comment above !!

'Obummer' is as much a 'communist' as 'cartoonces' (who represents The Republicans) is a thoughtful, sane and rational poster !

So lets take a few minutes in order to see just where 'cartoonces and ilk' are coming from :

The reality is that shit has moved so 'effing far' to the Political Right in The U$A that calling 'Oblah-blah' a communist can actually get purchase with people like cartoonces and ilk who'd regard Mother Teresa's 'Sisters of Mercy' as a Revolutionary Maoist Cadre !!! Sheeesh !! Who'd have thunk it ?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good One.

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[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Obama Shares Values With Communist Congressman: http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2012/04/obama-busted-admits-he-shares-values-with-communist-congressman/

Good thing I was sitting down!

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Why are you dumping your shit here and d'you usually stand up when you do so ?!

More importantly - do you represent the average Republican, d'you think ?!!

gnothi seauton ...

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I don't know if I represent the "average" Republican. I hope that there will be a much more conservative government post Jan 2013

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Do you have the smallest grasp of just how "Conservative" The US Government is Right Now ?!!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

This gov is neither liberal or conservative. Its a fascist, war mongering police state, that is choking out free thinkers and the little guy.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Not very.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

It wont be. Your side is getting fucked into corportism just like the left.

Keep hoping. Just dont hold your breath.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I will do what I can.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You realize the Tea people's main thing was cut spending right?

After one short year, 32 of the 60 in the caucus voted for the largest credit card the world has ever seen.

In only one year over half were sold out. Working within the party is for those who dont want to really get involved. Its the easy way out.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Communist Party endorses Barack Obama for re-election: http://www.examiner.com/article/communist-party-endorses-barack-obama-for-re-election

I wonder why?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Do you have an actual link?

The one provided, leads to WND, not exactly a paragon of journalist integrity.

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=WorldNetDaily

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

It worked when I tried it. Try googling the headline.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

@ cartoonces : Re. Mittens Romulan, try these links :

Enough already of fawning forelock tugging to Oligarchical 0.01% Pluto/Klepto/Auto - crats !!! Get Real !!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas !

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Copy... Paste... Personal attack

Copy... Paste... Personal attack

Copy... Paste... Personal attack

Too bad facts aren't on your side or you would be able to argue your opinions on their merits.

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Here you go cartoonces - from your linked article :

  • "In a political era when the lunatic fringe has relentlessly caricatured the president of the United States as a pinko, an ornament-maker somewhere in America apparently thought a satirical painting of a socialist was an ideal "favorite local landmark." I can't say as I blame him or her." &

  • "But still another layer of unwitting comedy percolates beneath the Great Christmas Ornament Scandal, which was immediately picked up by a host of hyperventilating right-wing Internet sites and blogs & then dutifully flogged into total incoherence by 'fair-and-balanced' Fox News."

fiat lux ...

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Mao worship is Mao worship

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Keep Digging Replicant ... I'll always be happy to hand you a shovel !!! pax et lux ...

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[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I understand your frustration trying to defend the indefensible. It must be so discouraging to keep having the truth presented to you such that the only answer you can offer is a personal attack.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

So what "indefensible" do you think that I am defending ?

Face it cartoonces - you really do NOT "understand" Shit !!!

I will wager that you think 'Electricity is the work of The Devil' !!

As I once asked, "so long here yet so little learnt - How Come" ?!

fiat lux ...

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I have learnt (sic) plenty. I have learned that there is very little wisdom to be exhibited by those who seem to support the OWS mob.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Nope cartoonces, you've learnt 'jack' and thus : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xEwbzEBw14 !

verum ex absurdum(b) ...

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

This is not representative of what it was in the beginning. If you are intelligent politically, it would be hard to not enjoy the conversations at the beginning.

Its been infiltrated by the mainstream d/R hacks, just like the Tea is.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

tootes These things you spout in public? Did you intend to share (?) or do your fingers get carried away while you talk to yourself?

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Redistributing wealth (communism)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGsWQ69Tzk

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

I strongly encourage readers to watch this 'You-Tube' clip provided courtesy of our resident forum-Republican, in order to get a true insight into the depths of the retardation that The US Right-Wing can plummet to !!!

In this CNN clip above, Oblah-blah pays lip service to saccharine notions of 'fairness' and 'equality of opportunity' using the example of a waitress trying to survive and maintain a roof over her head ... and what do 'cartoonces and ilk' do ? Go apoplectic with rage at 'all this socialism' (see comments on You-Tube clip) !!

So perhaps folks, by this above measure FDR was the 'Greatest American Socialist' who ever lived ; single handedly laying the foundations for and enabling the halcyon days of 'The USA - 1945-70', when blue & white collar Americans were at their most prosperous. Thus cartoonces : Dude, you need to get A Grip !

et temet nosce ...

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

OH - SNAP....man that one has gotta hurt.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Heh heh heh. Checkmate . . . . . mate!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Glad to see your video-card is working again & laying this down again to insure against a later cheeky edit : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGsWQ69Tzk .

Also, a tune for you : The Voices Of East Harlem - "March Across This Land" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL0J03ngA50 ;-)

pax et lux ...

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6885) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

So, just how extensive is your music collection?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

"pay a little bit more"

Obama?

The name of the bill is "30% on a million or more"

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

No, he was the one who said he sought out the communists and marxists... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EHmzslKLw

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

@ cartoonces : Stop jerking off to 'You-Tube' clips, dude - because you'll go Even Blinder !!!

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Go fuck yourself toonces.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2251) 2 years ago

Well yes of course, I'll vote for Obama again. But not because I'm doing so well, or because the economy is so good, or that the government getting out of all those wars they were never supposed to be in, or that our troops are coming home any time soon......... But only because seeing Obama in the White House for a second term is going to really piss all those racist bigots off.

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

You are correct, the Left has really been on a bigoted tear.

[-] 1 points by the13thfloor (27) 2 years ago

please no one vote for Mitt or Obama, they're both puppets of the special interests and support the same ideas! including killing American citizens!!!

[-] 1 points by wellhungjury (296) 2 years ago

I am much better off today than I was 3 years ago. What changed? Me! I do things different and it has paid off in my life and my families life. Obama and Bush did not have one thing to do with the good that I have experienced. Now both have claims to making things more difficult, but I adapted, improvised and overcame. Piss on them both and the congress that drives them around!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Fucking Bush his tax cuts and wars, deregulation of WallStreet - economic fucking meltdown. What a perfect SHIT STORM!!!!!!! Yeah he and his cronys sure have fucked us over. Not just for the last three years but for quite some time to come. Should be tried and shot for treason. Asshole.

[-] 2 points by Spade2 (478) 2 years ago

You forget who really started all of this, Ronald Reagan.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes - the Actor - perfect puppet. They just handed him a script and let him go. They loved that Guy.

[-] 2 points by Spade2 (478) 2 years ago

Fuck him and his "Trickle Down(not)" economics.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

There was the lie - trickle down - what utter and complete BS - the only thing that was trickling was the urine down the greedy corrupts legs as they excitedly contemplated their new windfall.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Clinton and the D/R Congress are the ones that allowed for CDS and Glass Steagall repeal. Along with NAFTA, the biggest slap to the auto union ever.

We, the people, have allowed all of this to happen. We are suppose to govern ourselves here. This is what happens when we dont.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Which is exactly why it is a good thing that the public is starting to gather in places like this and in protests all across the country and around the world. The Government OF The People By The People FOR The People. It is not just a saying it is the law of the land. Now the people need to wake-up and take charge.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Im all for any type of activism. While I harrass a few here for their hard core D/R Duopoly loyalty, if the majority of the people were as engaged as they are, we wouldnt have these problems.

I think they are being led in circles, but its better than nothing.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Difference here is the fact that ownership of the democratic process by the people is being pushed and then there are actions like booting Walker and scum in Wis-sconny. Things are beginning to happen.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

They are Obamas tax cuts and wars (two new ones as we speak). Obama has increase the debt 5 times the debt GW Bush did in only his first three years.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Whatever tootes - are you always high?

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I may be high, but you would be wrong...

Democrat majority in the House and Senate and Obama signs the bill sent to him to extend the cuts... Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026069-503544.html

They are the Obama and Democrat tax cuts, now.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

HMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm.

Signs bill to extend BUSH tax cuts..........Hhmmmmmmmm...interesting.

You see the connection that you made there - Right?

OH - BTW - before those cuts were extended - did anyone want to change them a little (?) you know drop the wealthy off of the bill and extend it for the needy (?) Hhmmmm who were those guys standing in the way .........Hhmmmmmmmmmmmm.............


[-] 1 points by toonces (60) 1 minute ago

I may be high, but you would be wrong...

Democrat majority in the House and Senate and Obama signs the bill sent to him to extend the cuts... Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20026069-503544.html

They are the Obama and Democrat tax cuts, now. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Does not change the fact that those tax cuts are now written and approved by Obama and the Democrats. They may have been Bush cuts, but they are now Obama cuts.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Whatever tootes.

OH - BTW - are you a republican?

I only ask because ....well...you know......they seem to be flushing the party down the toilet and all....I figured if you were a republican ....well that you might be pretty depressed and all....tearing out your hair wondering just WTF they were up to. Sorry if you are ..>I mean it has been a very very long time since I've seen such a determined drive to self destruct...........sad really sad............suicidal party(?) that has got to be a new one in medical journals. Huh.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

No, I consider myself a conservative.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

"a conservative" - what? Because It just seems that you are soooo stuck on the repubs and their failures....so concerned in fact that you like to push the blame/consequences for their mistakes off onto others..........it's OK I wouldn't want to be publicly associated with them either.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

A conservative American.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

tootes tootes tootes it is ok if you admit you were hoodwinked by the repubs. I mean you are not alone there are many repub supporters who are absolutely mystified at WTF their party is up to.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Conservatives are working to get the more conservative party (republicans) to support and respect a much more conservative agenda. Democrats are supporting an agenda that will lead to a socialist/ communist government.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Luck with that thought - I believe you almost made sense. Nope I was mistaken - I just felt sorry for you for a moment.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Conse(R)vative, (R)epelican't.........same difference.

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[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Would be if the Republican had a majority of conservatives.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Same difference, until you can describe it..

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teabaggers raised my taxes, so no I'm not.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Let me guess, you think the Republicans can fix the mess that they and the Democrats have created the last 100 years?

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I don't know, but I do know that both parties have taken the country in the wrong direction. It is my opinion that the Republicans are not as far off course as the Democrats, and would be easier to change direction. If the Dems were to come out and say they were for getting back to the original intent of the Constitution as written, and I could believe them, I would vote for that candidate.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

They are both so far gone its useless trying to bring them back. People have been trying to do that for 30 years. Its gotten them nowhere.

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[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

It wouldnt have mattered if it were Obama or McCain, this thing is going down. And it doesnt matter if its Obama or Romney, they are both puppets, thats why they got the nominations. Expect more of the same,.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

We need to make sure they reduce taxes and spending. We must hold their feet to the fire.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

If both are reduced, it just makes a deeper hole to dig out of.

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

So, we really need to make sure that very deep cuts are made and everyone is doing as much as they can to support themselves.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Ask Europe how austerity is working out for them. I believe they just dug a deeper hole and are really coming to regret having done what they did.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Their crisis is due to corrupted over spending, just like every other western country.

They are turning us into debt slaves. Austerity sucks. More debt sucks. THere is no getting out of this the same as we went in.

End the wars, and we could actually get these children in DC to sit down and focus.

If we dont have the decency to demand an end to this senseless killing, then we deserve every bit of bullshit we get.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I agree bring the troops home. I just hate to see it all done for nothing and leave the afghans unready to take care of business.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You can't help those that dont want it.

We have a ton of problems here, but Im certainly not in the mood for outside countries to start coming in and telling us how it should be done.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The crisis, was caused by profiteering on WallStreet.

That's why we're here.

OccupyWallStreet.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

And what do you think the banksters want?

Financial slaves, at every level. More wars. More corportism.

(we are all still waiting for your occupy, are you hiding something?)

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The more pertinent question, is why do constantly move attention away from Wallstreet?

Where I live is irreverent.

You're lack of investigative prowess is.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

People who only type and dont participate are a problem, because (as you prove regularly) they tend to not understand whats up, want to make sure you arent one of those people...Typical Dem voters tend to give a bad name to the movement.

One word shooz- city?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The camp I donated some money to at the ox roast.

Lot's of dems and union members there.

Unlike you, they are well aware of what (R)epelican'ts are doing to our State.

One question.

Why do you call the 99% asses?

I asked this question some time ago, and as is usual for you, you didn't respond.

You DID start that thread.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The reason I say that is that, their apathy has contributed to this mess.

Hence DA's like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYRvP1CoTFQ

How many people eating at Outback even went and looked this up afterwards?

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMc8CR6dppc

Look at these fuckin idiots spending all their hard earned money on useless shit, when the entire planet is on financial lifesupport.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That's still no excuse for calling them asses and fucking idiots.

It shows a decided lack of empathy.

You need to start aiming at the neolibe(R)tarians that made it so.

Yet, you don't.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

You need to start figuring out that the problems here are much deeper than the idiotic letter after someone's name.

I know you've voted D for a long time. And in some aspects its better than R. But the problems are deeper. Thats what we like to talk about. There are always old hoots that have one mission- beat the Republicans. Its old. It hasnt worked. And it never will. Theres a reason its structured like it is.

I had a post a little while ago that talked about solutions, real solutions. You didnt post there at all.

Im sure occupy Detroit thanks you for your donation.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That letter isn't so idiotic in my State, nor in yours.

You just don't notice.

You need to understand that it's structured the way it is, because the Neolibe(R)tarians have structured it that way.

I have suggested that voting out anyone who supports or is supported by ALEC.

The solutions will come in time, but steps need to be taken.

They did thank me, and I them.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

zzzzz.... Sorry but no one in my state caused the financial bubble, they dont print money, they dont bomb people, they dont start wars, they dont pass bullshit fascist health policy, they dont write the national tax code or the loops, they dont write the foreign policy, nor the trade policy.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Zzzzzzzzzz.........You're repeating yourself, yet again.

I explained that to you too.

You ignored it when I did.

Plus it wasn't a response to what I said.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Why don't they just spend more money?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I believe....no shit....I believe that is exactly what they are asking themselves right now..........

[-] -3 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

The answer is because they don't have the money.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Sure they do. Funny how so many are in desperate shape....and yet.....and yet there are all of those of considerable wealth just lovin what a beautiful day it is and are so happy and content that they just can't help themselves but whistle and sing and dance.

Open your eye's tootes - we have all been screwed by the unspeakably rich and corrupt. They are having a very fine time indeed. ( insane assholes ).

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[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I have not been screwed by the rich, and the likelihood is, that you haven't been either.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yeah and that's why the economy is so healthy and booming right now. The assholes have screwed the world in a very nasty and premeditated way. It is OK if you don't want to face reality - it is a pretty ugly thing right now - tell you what....you go on pretending that everything is just fine and dandy in your little make believe world and go right back to bed.

You should not torture yourself with facing the truth that you can not handle by being on this forum. Go watch TV maybe there is a good sit-com or the bright and shiny MSM news or something.

[-] -2 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

You are your own worst enemy.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

WHY? Do you think that the powers that be are gonna be miffed at the spreading of truth and will come after me?

Is that why you are so determined to deny reality? Are you afraid that they won't like you? That they would put you on a list?

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

No, but you are what you eat, and you are eating self defeating mind fare. If you believe you will fail, you will. If you believe you will succeed, you will. Try to be positive in your outlook as it will help you improve your circumstances.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Well thank you for that - but you see I am feeling really good and really positive - more so every day as the movements against corruption greed and crime make progress. You should consider following your own advice.

Ooops I mean don't follow your own advice - at least not until you get in touch with reality. Do you have any friends (?) perhaps they can help, do they know that you are on a non-stop magical mystery tour?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Never heard of WallStreet?

They screw everybody can in as many ways as they can.

It's what they do. It's in their charter.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I thought it was their fight song? OMG I am gonna die laughing. You may be the death of me but it will be smiling. HAHHahahahaheeheehe.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

Barack Obama has collected nearly twice as much money as John McCain:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-06-30/news/17902184_1_sen-obama-obama-spokesman-tommy-vietor-john-mccain

Looks like their support has paid off for them.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yeah and we paid for all of it.

Ain't this boogie a mess?

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I would tend to agree.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You have to have a good paying job to do that.

Cuts won't provide them. spending will.

The egg comes before the chicken.

[-] -1 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

You're right, there is no way you can take money from citizens who are not able to earn.

[-] 0 points by reckoning (53) 2 years ago

Il stick with voting for Ron Paul, ty bye!