Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr

Forum Post: Are "WeThe People" to Blame?

Posted 6 years ago on Feb. 23, 2012, 11:47 p.m. EST by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

The American people are supposed to be in charge - but we are not. We are supposed to be in control - but we are not. There are things that our government has done and is still doing in the name of the American people which make us responsible - but we are not. Then are we really worthy to be what it is we hold to be sacred - “Americans”.

The root of the message conveyed by Thomas Paine is the same; government of the people, by the people and for the people. These are high expectations that we’ve never met but we still strive to achieve to the best of our abilities. Unfortunately, over the passage of time our government has slowly reduced its citizens to little more than just slaves. We like to blame the politicians, big business, the President, anyone and anything else except ourselves for the horrendous state that our country is in. We the people are the real blame for our countries problems. Not the current or past administrations. Not big business or the bankers. They are just symptoms of a much deeper root cause. We are the rotten root of the problem. For 233 years, we let our government do whatever it pleased. For 233 years we ran our government like an absentee owner. If you don't have health care, a job, hope, money, a home, a good education, etc…, don't blame it on the government. We the people are the blame. The buck doesn't stop with the president. It stops with the people. If you are hated around the world, afraid to travel abroad, in fear of terrorism, mad because the banks are getting bailed out with your money and you can't get a loan, if your life savings and retirement have been wiped out or stolen, upset because we're dying in wars that have no end and make no sense, upset because the government failed miserably at responding to help your city after a hurricane, flood or any natural disaster, upset because your country is turning into a police state, upset because gas and food prices keep rising while your pay is falling, upset because your government is trying to tax you for any purpose it can think of, upset because your government is trying to chip away at your rights for any purpose it can think of, upset because millions of barrels of oil are ruining your coasts, upset because your standard of living is declining, upset because your children are not getting a proper education, upset because your country and your government are for sale... just calm down. It's easy to find the dirty rotten scoundrel that is responsible for this mess. Just look in the mirror. We the people are the blame – “We the people” sat by and let it happen without doing one single thing about it. That's what happens when you don't show up to work for 233 years. We can no longer afford to be absent or passive citizens. The stakes are too high this late in the game. We have 233 years of work piled up and waiting. It is our responsibility to deal with it. A mess has never dealt with itself. Our government didn't create itself and it can’t fix itself. Can you imagine someone giving themselves a triple heart bypass and major brain surgery all at once? Forget about it! Your responsibility as a citizen doesn't end with voting and criticizing the government.


"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." ~ Abraham Lincoln ~



Read the Rules


[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

You are 100% right - it is the fault of the people but do you really think they will take the blame. Hell no, they will always blame someone else.

If every person in this country took responsibility for their own actions and became more responsible about their financial decisions, this country would be the greatest country in the world.

However, it isn't going to happen because the people of this country especially the x, y and melinium generation have been taught to be "dependent" instead of being "independent".

They are the "I want it all and I want it all now" generation. They don't know how to wait, build up wealth to have what they want. They want "instant wealth" instead.

When I was growing up if I wanted something I had to go out and work for it. Today when somebody wants something they think it's their right to have it and the government should provide it for them if they can't afford it. Won't be too much longer we will be providing them with free houses to live in paid for by the "working class" who is doing just fine.

It isn't going to change anytime soon.

I'll be surprised as to how many positive replies you will get with this post if you get any at all.

You can be sure though, you will see a lot of posts by people who will always blame someone because of their or others shortcomings.

That's the way the younger generation is being taught to think - the government will do it for you if you can't do it for yourself.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 6 years ago

That might be part of it in a particular (fairly limited) set of cases, but the specific phenomenon he's discussing is our general ignorance and complacency as far as politics and education are concerned. A democracy is only as functional as its citizenry is active and involved. When people see the state as a magical bestower of wealth, or for that matter a mad dog that can only be muzzled, neutered, and eventually put down then you get an ineffectual government that tends to sell to the highest bidder and the ordinary man gets screwed.

The state is not and was never intended to exist as anything other than an arm of the American people, and its job is and has always been to provide those goods and services that cannot be trusted to chance or private markets (originally military protection and basic protection of free commerce, but I'd argue that sphere has expanded with progress to include things like education and healthcare). The original role of the government is in fact to provide for the people, but that is by definition a two-way street.

Basically, the more a government is expected to do, the more money and power it will need to have access to in order to fulfill its duties, and the more money and power is vested in a single body the more opportunities there are for corruption and incompetence and the important it becomes to keep track of the government and get involved in the political and legislative processes as best you can.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 6 years ago

That's why the people need a vehicle such as a direct democracy so we can conduct oversight in real-time over a government that cannot control itself and sells their vote to the highest bidder.


[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 6 years ago

I couldn't disagree more. People aren't looking for "instant wealth". They are simply looking for a decent opportunity. The melinium generation have been taught to take a chance; put themselves in debt and get a college education; in order to be rewarded for their risk and hard work with a good paying job - only to find that there are no jobs when they graduate. I'd be pissed too!

Also - for good or bad - change IS in the air. I expect something big to happen long before election day. People are waking up to the tyrannical actions of their government. They've had enough.

As for the comment "the government will do it for you if you can't do it for yourself" - it reminds me of bank bailouts; big oil handouts; corporate tax dodgers and lobbyists that buy-off our congressional whores.

The point of the post is that voting alone is NOT enough. The American people must play a more active role in what OUR government does.

There is an artificial aristocracy, founded on birth and privilege, without virtue or talents... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendency!

[-] 1 points by owsleader2038 (-10) 6 years ago

The US public fed at the biggest pig trough in HUMAN HISTORY, post WWII all you had to do is be in the USA and you had it all,

Today the USA has nothing, ... and everybody is leaving that can leave, before they have nothing to leave with.

We have met the enemy and he is us, ... true yesterday and today and tomorrow.

Worst of all worlds is that the US public actually thinks that the world cannot live without the USA, ... I can tell you all the sooner the USA all kill themselves in the coming civil war, the sooner the world can get a good nights sleep.

History books ten years from now will write about how the USA of today was worse than Hitlers Germany in terms of the raw millions killed in the Oil Wars.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

A decent opportuity comes in time - going into debt without thinking of the consequences is insane and financially irresponsible. When a 24 year old has a college debt of $25,000 or more without a job - that' insane and finanically irresponsible.

There are no "job" guarentees out there regardless if you have a college degree or not.

That is why it is important to understand that "instant gratification" has it's consequences.

As I have stated it takes time to build wealth - it doesn't happen in 2 years, unless you hit the lottery ticket or sue someone, it takes more like 10 -15 or even 20 years.

[-] -1 points by bemindful (23) 6 years ago

If America re-elects Obama then as far as I am concerned the electorate deserves to lose their freedom to an over bearing government, they deserve to lose their religious freedom rights, they deserve to live under tyranny, and the country deserves to bankrupt. The choices are not great on either side, but at least with the Republicans we know we won't be getting Obama- A larger government and a nanny state is never the answer- ever. Everything that is going on in Greece and throughout Europe can and will occur here for sure if Obama is re-elected and it will be the fault of every single person who voted for him. Yes crony capitalism and our tax system needs to be changed, yes companies need to have more incentive to stay in the US and yes we need an energy policy but Obama isn't doing anything to help with make changes in any of these areas. If voters are so stupid to vote for a guy who promises them everything - "free" healthcare, deals on mortgages that they couldn't afford and didn't put anything down on, help with staying on mummy's and daddy's insurance until you're a man or woman of 27 years old, help with paying your college loans (college does cost way too much but having Obama/the government pay you off isn't going to help college costs go down), "free" cell phones for the poor, and "free" freak'en birth control, (as if its a right), then they deserve the consequences of their short-sighted stupidity...they deserve everything they have coming to them.

[-] -1 points by buik6 (18) 6 years ago

they probably arent working hard enough. of course their lazy asses are to blame. fat fuckin bastards watchin football and drinking beer and eating fast food and driving all over the fuckin county and all types of shit i dont do, fuckin their fat wives while they think about their daughter's friend, all types of nasty shit the people do that i dont. working at jobs they hate, beating their kids, going to the fuckin mall and buying shit because they dont know what else to do, uncle johnny's drunk and asleep on the couch and your cousin is stealing his dad's wallet so he can buy some more glass eventually needing hospitalization after 12 days without sleep, of course he doesnt have insurance. buying large dogs and keeping them in the city. cheating on their wives with other fucking men they met at church for fucks sakes. jesus christ how are these bastards NOT to blame?

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 6 years ago

sparky i live in towson. hows westminster these days i havent been there in years. i imagine its right fucked with strip malls and cocaine by now

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 6 years ago

The malls only have half the stores they once had and the coke is non-existent ................. but I heard that business is booming in your area though, being so close to Baltimore. I must say that the 'necks' out here aren't afraid to bend their elbow at the local watering hole when they have a mind to. This is farm country.

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 6 years ago

if theres not a coke scene in westminster i'll ride a horse out there, go to a strip mall bar, and call the biggest farmboy i can find in there a stupid faggot

(ironically, later that evening we will probably do some of his coke and blow each other)

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 6 years ago

Whatever floats you're boat

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 6 years ago

i kinda like how columbia did it, things are strip malls and cocaine there too but they took the effort to build the strip malls surrounded by little bluffs, berms, whatever you call em, so you cant actually see how fuckin depressing it is except from the air

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 6 years ago

fuck it tho who cares how fuckin ugly the main strip is the nice thing about there is how you can drive a few minutes and be in the middle of nowhere. i am trying to make it positive but i cant. in westminster you're either the fuck in the middle of nowhere or at a strip mall.

[-] 1 points by buik6 (18) 6 years ago

and when it comes down to it, what the hell can you do? its gonna suck in westminster probably forever. theres nothing you can do except leave. its no ideological goals there, no amount of research and activism will ever make that place any better, the shit is just doomed, man. get the fuck out of there while you can sparky life is too short.