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Forum Post: Are we teaching sock puppets?

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 10, 2011, 12:12 a.m. EST by blazefire (947)
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It occured to me, that as we converse with these bots, will add to the data pool of the BOT's...... As we speak to those sock puppets, responding to their input, are we creating a mathematical, input - output, which 'teaches' them how to infiltrate, and use the device of propoganda...?

Just a theory, a hypothetical, that I figured someone here would be able to answer...

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[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

I'm NOT a Computer Scientist or even a 'Scientist' of any description but I refuse to remain silent in the face of The Constant (MSM et al) Propaganda from The Imperialist, 'Drum Beating', WAR-Whores and The 'BSing, Talkin' Outta Their Butt', Bots !!! F@K 'em, mate !! ... et honi soit qui mal y pense !

[-] 2 points by blazefire (947) 10 years ago

Wow! I know...it's so frustrating not knowing whether the person your speaking to is a person. Hmmmm I wonder if we could make OWS BOT's that run around keeping other BOT's busy.....OR better OWS BOTs that disseminate truth throughout the forums....hmmmm we could even give the all names like stevebot, and jillbot.... then, the HUMANS would know who they are, but not the other BOT's! HEY what an idea!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

bl@ze : What "person" ? They, We, You and I are only What We Say Here ! ALL here are merely combinations of Consonants, Vowels &/or Numbers !! Consider : Only 'The Actual' Ideas Matter ; 'Personhood' here, Is Virtual and thus ultimately ... Irrelevant, unlike "Corporate Personhood", which has usurped Real Persons and Natural Born Human People !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by blazefire (947) 10 years ago

I like that response. Thanks for reminding me! Ideas and concepts really are what matters....I guess I'm just surprised all the time, by what humans do, and what they do to each other, and, I'm frustrated and, to be honest simply furious to know that MY mind is and always has been a battleground. I guess I still, have a childlike faith (naieve I know), that people, are genuine. That they really DO want a better world, and that tactics such as the ones being used....well I guess I don't need to go on.

I guess the shattering of illusions, as I have delved deeper into this mess, has been.....difficult. I was just a simple entertainer. I dedicated my life to making people happy. That's all I wanted. Then all this crap slowly encroached upon my world, my family, my community...and I'm pissed.... Maybe I'm just ranting (my rants get raves sometimes, lol), but..... well I guess you can fill in the rest....shalom.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

The World Is Full Of Good People ! Most of The 99% are 'good' most of the time !! Nil Desperandum !!!

per ardua ad astra ;-)

[-] 1 points by blazefire (947) 10 years ago

No I never give up. Even in despair.... NEVER. There is always hope. Thanx again!

btw....did you have a play with the BOT? Pretty fun really, and a little educational also. Check lower down the thread. ScrewL's convo is worth a laugh!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Thanx 'blaze'. "ScrewyL's Convo With Self", sounds like a man in need of his Pringles and "Suds" and (occasionally !) A Girl Friend !! Stay - "Occupied, Well & Strong" !!!

At spes non fracta et dum spiro, spero ;-)

[-] 1 points by blazefire (947) 10 years ago

At spes non fracta et dum spiro, spero...

I simply couldn't think of anything to top that, and I wanted to reply....so I wish you the same....

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

"At spes non fracta et dum spiro, spero" = But Hope Is Not Broken and As Long As I Breath, I Hope ...

a) Dreadzone - "Little Britain" (Vocal Version) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EURJiQQEaQ4 ,

b) Sacred Spirit - "Yeha Noha" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPd9be8R5bA ,

c) Robert Del Naja and Tom York play at Occupy London Christmas Party : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQmVudjk-fI ,

d) Massive Attack - "Protection" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqmeb6HrDdc &

e) Bob Marley and The Wailers - "One Love" (Original Ska Version) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQSOXQwCu-I !!!

Ars longa, vita brevis ;-)

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

For an insight into "the mind of a 0.01%er AND 'The Corporation', please watch the excellent and insightful documentary "I, Psychopath" : http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/i-psychopath/ et fiat lux ...

[-] -1 points by Infowar (295) 10 years ago

That is right dismiss people as bots, then people as programed. Kill them all and let god sort them out. You can just claim .. how was i to know all that i heard were conspiracy theory's. Back to bed now Timmy, the current state of affairs is just a myth.

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 10 years ago

We're not dismissing people, we're dismissing bots, but infowar likes to play mind games, so I'll ask

Are OWS bots real people?

[-] 1 points by Infowar (295) 10 years ago

You say bots but are they, who are the bots? I will agree if you prove it but you are speaking conspiracy theory. Are the bots for a particular cause or do they just unite under hating a particular cause? ... I think i get it now is it just bots that support Ron.Paul?

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 10 years ago

Why me? Why do I have to explain to the johnny come late to the party WTF is going on?

Ok, nobody is disses r P A UL, what we're talking about is certain characters that are here 24/7 that never say anything but 3 word fragments like 'conspiracy' or 'Your an idiot'...

I know you too don't like that shit, but this is your game to play the fool, but in this case you were late to this thread so maybe you don't really know what the fuck we're talking about, read the OP above do you know what he's talking about? I do. Do you know about TURING? Have you studied CS?

I don't know if I talking to a 5 year old or 50 year old for gods sake.

You play this game everytime with people that you don't know then on the 2nd reply you play smarty pants, how do we know now? Are you stupid for real or just for play in this instance?

I note for the past 2-3 hours that tharasque and msvn are gone, so that's probably them as you know, cuz your sure the fuck playing their boring fucking game.

[-] 1 points by blazefire (947) 10 years ago

Hi! ummmm....my name is johnny, and ahhh, I'm running a little late.....so, wheres the party? hehehehe....lol

[-] 1 points by badconduct (550) 10 years ago

Can't the admin just check and match IP addresses?

[-] 0 points by owsleader2011 (304) 10 years ago

You need to read the thread. Just read thread from the beginning. Everybody else gets it, why don't you get it? Maybe because your not a programmer?

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 10 years ago

Who is everybody else are they the "99%"?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

By Definition ... "everybody else", Always = Any And All, Bar You !! Q.E.D et ad iudicium ;-)

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 10 years ago

So even the uber-elite get it?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

"The Uber-Elite" = The Pathological and Parasitic 1% of The 1% (The 0.01%) and Of Course 'They' Get It !! THEY just don't Give A SH!T !!! Geddit ?!

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 10 years ago

The answer is yes, other computer scientists here are very aware of the TURING-TEST,

And yes, they had very good models of such, even say, .. 20 years ago,

I have little doubt that thamrasque, and mvsn are turing-bots,

In almost all cases, if you say to the majority of the BOTS on OWS "WHAT DO YOU THINK?" They go silent, original thought doesn't seem to bring 'management' for a response, ..

In summary this campaign is on a limited budget,

But I concur with your jive, ... from what they learn from us they will perfect this art,...

Just like BIG-BLUE can now win chess, or the IBM jeopardy computer can win,...

I think the real thing about the BOT's here is that they're just fucking boring, and that good people, will leave.

Too bad there isn't some kind of warning at the top of the forum that warns folks about the fact that most of the reply's you'll get here are not real people. :(

Lastly, though it is fun, to watch these bot's one only has to say "z i o n i s m", and you'll have many to play with, and like playing 'turing test' 20 years ago on unix, its fun to study their depth of knowledge,...

[-] -1 points by necropaulis (491) 10 years ago

Do you have any links to these bots replies?? That puff idiot could possibly be one, but he says things if you engage him that are in direct relation to what was said against him. Outside of that, I've seen no evidence of 'bots. You can't say people who don't think the way you do are 'bots sent in to undermine you or make you part of some litmus test. That's just paranoid and silly. Not being condescending.

[-] -1 points by irsfaggot (171) 10 years ago

You need to go online and google "turing test" and play with a real bot and you can then know how smart they really are,

Maybe 20+ years ago there used to be one on UNIX that was a 'psychiatrist', you could talk to it for hours and get pretty funny results, .. the fact is this shit has been around forever,

I think the first thing is familiarize yourself with a known bot go find one, then come back here and play and see if you can find them

[-] 0 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 10 years ago

I'm actually a bot.

beep boop beep.

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 10 years ago

check this out

http://cleverbot.com/

[-] 2 points by ScrewyL (809) 10 years ago

User: What is your favorite food?

Cleverbot: My favorite food is pizza.

User: What type of porn do you watch?

Cleverbot: Cute ones.

User: What size breasts?

Cleverbot: Tall and Skinny.

User: Wrong.

Cleverbot: What is weather like then?

User: I'm not interested in that.

Cleverbot: Let's talk about the World of Warcraft.

User: Stop spying on me.

(a WoW advertisement was in my browser)

Cleverbot: I'm not.

User: Yes, you are.

Cleverbot: No, I'm not.

User: You are a bad liar.

Cleverbot: I'm ending this relationship.

User: Fine, but I'm keeping the cat.

Cleverbot: -laughs- What baby?

User: Don't call me 'baby'. We broke up bitch!

Cleverbot: Ok.

User: I miss you.

Cleverbot: I miss you too.

User: Good. Let's fuck.

Cleverbot: Hello there, the angel from my nightmare.

User: Is that a yes?

Cleverbot: It is.

User: Nevermind. You're too weird for me. Gonna go watch some porn.

Cleverbot: You should get some sour cream and chive dip.

[-] 1 points by blazefire (947) 10 years ago

Thats funny as.....!

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 10 years ago

EVIE from clever (existor.com) above ..

Do you like to eat boiled arab children? Yes. I like children in burritos.

Do you like to have sex with sock puppets? No. Pants.

... Now here's the good shit, ... note how on Obama all comments are positive... Imagine where have we see this before?

Do you think Obama is a good investment for wall street bankers? I think he's doing alright so far. What do you think?

Do you think Obama would whore out his own children for a dollar? I think more women would be escorted across streets.

PRICELESS >>>>>

Do you believe that OWS is owned by the CIA or Wall Street? I don't think that there will be a specific day. People are expecting it to start in 2012 but it's starting already.

[-] 0 points by irsfaggot (171) 10 years ago

Thanks and this represents about 99% of the reply's I see here, screwyL thanks and very funny indeed. :)

But that is a pretty low grade bot, anybody find Eliza around it must be way better these days.

[-] 0 points by Infowar (295) 10 years ago

Actually that is how you bump threads here. Think about it!!!

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

Yes. + I'd like to further bump and clearly place further on the record, that the poster "Thrasymaque" is an objectionable and graceless Troll of the 1st order, not so much for what he says but for the manner in which he says it. Worra Dolt !

[-] 1 points by blazefire (947) 10 years ago

Yeah, I had a go at him the other day, couldn't help myself. It's funny, but I actually would say that he is actually quite graceful and intellectual in his 'trollness', which of course just adds to the frustration....prob why I got frustrated, he could do so much more with that mind.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 10 years ago

bl@ze : Tho' there may be something in what you say, recently The Forum Entity, 'Thrasymaque' had taken to spamming posts that he didn't like with pictures - some of them pornographic and offensive. He did this to me yesterday (Sndy, 11th Dec.) and whilst I had my young nephews (all<6) running running around.

Further, he has admitted to having multiple poster-IDs (& personalities?) and often these overlap. He imagines that he is succeeding in keeping them discrete and well separated but alas, he is wrong and has been found out.

"Thrasmonkey" has made his bed and common sense and natural justice dictate that he lays in it. I hope that he has the wit, integrity and humility to learn some lessons and that he comes back after the burning that he's had.

ignis natura renovatur integra !

[-] -1 points by necropaulis (491) 10 years ago

That is fucking crazy. I just had an interesting convo with a robot. I never heard about this kind of thing before the Iphone 4 whatever came out. I didn't realize it was this advanced. I tried to trick it with double talk and conversations that went in circles.... crazy shit

[-] -1 points by irsfaggot (171) 10 years ago

Thus, ELIZA is claimed by some to be one of the programs (perhaps the first) able to pass the Turing Test, although this view is highly contentious (see below). ..


This is the one I was talking about its a real psychiatrist and a blast, and this is 20+ years old, I wouldn't want to think what they can do now,

But FYI here's the deal did you see blade-runner? When he asked questions like "Do you enjoy watching the same sex in the act?", "He had a dinner of boiled dog" ... There was NO emotional response, when your talking with a bot you can usually tell how they respond. For instance you might say "Today I ate my penis", the bot would reply "do you do this often"? They're not very good about taking extreme things and bringing them together and realizing that they're repulsive, sort of like saying today I had motor-oil and grease for breakfast the bot may respond "Did you like it?", its pretty simple shit, but when talking to a BOT if you go OVER THE TOP, and they still maintain decorum, you know your talking about a bot, I know when we used to play with Eliza we would say shit like "When I talk with you I like to maturbate", she might reply "Do you have this feeling often", ... a human would most likely cut you off the bot just keeps going, ... never quits.

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[-] -1 points by irsfaggot (171) 10 years ago

Can you educate a sock puppet?

Here's theory, adbuster.com has already sold-out to the highest bidder, and now we're guinea pigs so some third world dictator can determine how to control his computer-geeks.

My opinion is that the glue for the sock-puppets is more inside OWS than outside, their direction seems biased, you would think that an agency would want to be testing all possible persuasions, here its like right-wing sock-puppets 24/7,

But like many observed weeks ago, most of our sock-puppets are on posting 24 hours a day and that ain't normal, or possible.

Given the amount ORWELLIAN-GLUE we have already found on the OWS-SERVER system, it wouldn't surprise me that the sock-puppet logic was built-in to the apache-server.