Forum Post: Are we in trouble now? Iran supports our movement!?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 12:04 p.m. EST by AN0NYM0US
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The Iranian government has announced support for our movement. They start by saying the US government's claims that they sent an assassin to the US was just a distraction from OWS. They then say that the capitalist system has lead to corrupt corporations that have hurt our citizens. They basically say that dictators pale in comparison to how our corporations treat us and the world.
And then....They say OWS will spread, and the "Death of Capitalism" is here....
I think this is going to hurt our movement....
By the way we need help defending our rights in all occupations. Please PM me if you know any lawyers or law firms that are helping or willing to help.
Get over the fear that anybody wants to hurt you or subjugate you
that again is indoctrination
Lets just focus on the Banks and wall street, once we stop fingering the entire world, everybody can go back to partying
Iran does not have to interfere in the internal policy-movement of the United States
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He_4IGDNZU4
Israeli Mossad and 9/11
Well, I think that's old story: the enemies of my enemy shall be my friend. That is of course not true ! Do we support a totalitarian and absurd regime like in Iran ? Of course not ! So we just have to answer them to go to hell ! The actual system, and corporations, will try everything to hurt the movement, and lying is the simplest way.
Only if the movement calls for the "End of Capitalism". Then it would hurt the movement.
The right will try to make it hurt the movement, but it shouldn't. So what if Iran supports OWS.
Don't get distracted. Fight for what you believe in.
Perhaps the Iranians feel that US Corprations and their $$$ has had an adverse effect on their lives as well...alot of truths are likely to come out that the average "Joe & Joesphine" (who are just trying to work, pay their bills, and keep their homes) are unaware of...and while I am stepping on fragile ground here, didn't terrorists say that the WTC was attacked as a symbol of the corruption of US and world banks and the effects this corruption has on people all over the world? I'm not supporting terrorists here, just saying...
Perhaps the Iranians feel that US Corprations and their $$$ has had an adverse effect on their lives as well...alot of truths are likely to come out that the average "Joe & Joesphine" (who are just trying to work, pay their bills, and keep their homes) are unaware of...and while I am stepping on fragile ground here, didn't terrorists say that the WTC was attacked as a symbol of the corruption of US and world banks and the effects this corruption has on people all over the world? I'm not supporting terrorists here, just saying...
They did.
I don't think it makes much of a difference if they support us or not. Like any other group, they will not hijack this movement.
Anyway, This whole Iran indecent, Am i the only one that can see why we need to remove money and lobbyists from Washington ? Am i the only that can see why we need to reign in our government and make sure it is controlled by the people ? Our government from the top to the bottom can not be trusted. I know people have a lot of great ideas on how to fix this and that, what good will any of it do when the elite just throw piles of money at our politicians to undo all those changes ? What good will it do when they tell our greedy little children in Washington to start a war with another country just because it will be profitable ?
I hate to say it like this because it is pushing my point of view and not just voicing it... If we don't remove the money and the ability to buy our politicians, the OWS movement failed.
Regarding Iran, I oppose any war with Iran, and also the other interventions which HRC has blundered into. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Egypt, Yemen ... When is she going to stop?
Hillary desperately needs to show that she is tough. Why? because she is not tough. And, she isn't smart enough to know that being tough itself is not much; one has to be BOTH tough and wise to handle political responsibility. She is not tough, not smart and not wise. Obama has his weaknesses, but we should all thank God daily that HRC never became our president.
I hate the idea that we are using those drones against innocent people. Not only is it a means of terrorizing them, but militarily how does such an action act to defend and protect us Americans? Kill someone by remote control, and then what? Surely anyone witnessing such a murder, the victim being stalked by this plane-robot, would hate us with all the fury of hell.
The drones, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, the crass attempts to capitalize on the so-called "Arab Spring," ... our foreign policies are all shameful and disgusting.
Plus, we are just throwing our own jobs and infrastructure down the drain. Our money should be used to help us. We need new bridges, roads, businesses, decent employment conditions and opportunities. The Arab nations & Iran have plenty of well-educated people to serve as leaders, and can do very nicely without our "help."
she needs to get in touch with her inner bitch.
Regarding Iran, I oppose any war with Iran, and also the other interventions which HRC has blundered into. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Egypt, Yemen ... When is she going to stop?
Hillary desperately needs to show that she is tough. Why? because she is not tough. And, she isn't smart enough to know that being tough itself is not much; one has to be BOTH tough and wise to handle political responsibility. She is not tough, not smart and not wise. Obama has his weaknesses, but we should all thank God daily that HRC never became our president.
I hate the idea that we are using those drones against innocent people. Not only is it a means of terrorizing them, but militarily how does such an action act to defend and protect us Americans? Kill someone by remote control, and then what? Surely anyone witnessing such a murder, the victim being stalked by this plane-robot, would hate us with all the fury of hell.
The drones, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, the crass attempts to capitalize on the so-called "Arab Spring," ... our foreign policies are all shameful and disgusting.
Plus, we are just throwing our own jobs and infrastructure down the drain. Our money should be used to help us. We need new bridges, roads, businesses, decent employment conditions and opportunities. The Arab nations & Iran have plenty of well-educated people to serve as leaders, and can do very nicely without our "help."
It would be nice if we had some capacity to "officially" condemn the government of Iran and reject their "support."
Condemn Iran for what?
if anything ows should come out and state that what we are doing is not trying to bring down capitalism but to make our government take concern for its people by regulating and fixing capitalism.
I don't normally agree with trolls (below), and certainly don't with regards to "poor" Israel, who've made their bed for the most part, but Iran's regime makes ours look like the ideal state.
Calling for the destruction of Israel, using murder as a political device, smuggling weapons to the terrorists attacking U.S. troops in Iraq, sponsoring terrorism, kidnapping by the state, arming and training Hezbollah through the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, providing support for the attack against United States Marines in Beirut in 1983, and the list goes on, on, and on.
http://www.higginsctc.org/terrorism/Iraniansponsoredterrorism.htm
It really is sad to watch a pampered, spoiled brat like you being a friend to enemies of the United States who use murder to influence others, while you yourself criticize your own government and act like they owe you something.
No oneis friends with iran. Israel chose to invade people that disliked them, and the united states trained Bin laden and his gang and armed him. So. While Iran is that asshole down the street no one likes to talk to, they aren't much worse than the other countries in this huge stupid conflict
I'm sure Egypt would love that version but the fact is that Egypt invaded Israel and lost.
What? I was referring to Palestine. Egypt invaded Israel do to issues with borders and refugees among other things. I was referring to the fact that Israel invaded Palestine and set up shop, pissing off not only Palestine, but all the friends of Palestine. It was an obvious risk, and they chose to take it. Therefore they should deal with the consequences, not the US.
"death of capitalism " . Why does everyone (the media ) keep saying that.
tryna make us look evil in the eyes of the rest of the world. like we re trying to take down something like capitalism which lasted 200 years. if anything we re not trying to bring anything down but fill the holes capitalism fails to fill itself and to revitalize the government to concern itself with we the people.
Capitalism itself could never die, because people enjoy competition. Consider sports, for example. Every school wants to have the best team. Every athlete wants to be the best. Every sales person wants to use their own ideas to get the best results. Capitalism is part of human nature.
Everyone I speak to Its like their in love with Goldman sach's they call us crazy.I love this country because i believe in the ideas of american people.The Media blackout confirmed my worst suspicions that the economic forces that are not our nations own are indeed at work.
And then....They say OWS will spread, and the "Death of Capitalism" is here....
Chicago Chamber Choir - Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK6DWaJ3quI
but seriously
People are trying to find solutions with in the money system
We need a new fiat money :)
I find we need a transparent voting system
So?
We just ignore those fools.
We can ignore them, but who's going to tell everyone else in the world that they should ignore them? Because it's not our self-perception that's at risk here. It's the perception of us that everyone else in the world has.
How many people still take them to be serious, other than government officials?
Ask around. And I don't mean "ask your friends." I mean ask strangers. Take a look in the suburbs, ask soccer moms and their friends. Go out to the trailer parks and ask around. Go out to the nightclubs in NY or LA and ask. Go to a football stadium in Chicago and ask, and then try a shopping mall in Madison.
Get real. Everyone here seems to think the world is homogeneous and tuned in. Everyone thinks they see us the way we see us, but that simply isn't true. Hell, we don't even agree on the way we see us. No one outside knows how to see us; we have given them no help and no direction in that. Our numbers are still small. Our voice is still quiet, and what we have we use to shout static.
We have got to grow up and get our act together soon.
True. Very true.
This is what you get for having no leadership, no organizational structure, no focus, and no goals. Anyone gets to label you whatever they want, and you have no credible voice to dispute or clarify those labels.
We are made up of individuals. If enough people say the same thing at the same time, it becomes a loud shout. We just need to say that we can't control who supports us, only that we want YOUR support.
i think the occupation plays as arms reaching out for support but we still need a brain within the movement for immediate and rational perspective. what do you think.
The brain is forming as our communication network grows and evolves.
Give it time. Eventually, some leaders will be embraced as their message catches on at the right time and place... then they'll fade into the background as others are selected.
And yet no one here knows what that one thing is. You and I agree on what it should be, and every time we bring it up a half dozen people go, "yeah, hey, that sounds great!"
And then it's gone into the noise and chatter of enough people saying vastly different things at the same time.
That is what leadership and organization is for.
Look, I get it. Everyone's got a stake in this, and the whole effort is predicated on equality. No one wants to feel below anyone else.
But don't you wonder how much is lost and sacrificed when we spend so much time prioritizing people's egos? Is this a cause anyone is willing to forget their egos and sense of self for?
If it's not, then frankly we're no better than the 1% we are railing against. We don't have a moral claim if we can't be any less self-absorbed.
give it time. We're growing and building our communication networks. Organization will evolve and leaders will be embraced when their message is at the right time and place.
I am, believe me. I know what you mean; these things take time.
But - and admittedly I am going by gut here - when I (unscientifically and unempirically) "feel" like the urgency levels are falling a little bit, I will try to do my part to bump it back up, to remind a few people here and there that every day that passes - even if it is necessary - carries a cost.
I've been emailing conservative journalists and groups to try and persuade them to endorse the message of ending corruption in government and unifying conservative and liberals towards that common cause. You could try similar means.
Ending the Federal Reserve Bank would please both right & left.
i think we should construct some sort of committee within the occupation to address EVERYTHING from our little foreign relations to preparing a written statement or ultimatum towards the present government before this all gets out of hand. hopefully with the months to come the movement stays peaceful and non violent so we evade getting labeled as insurgents. congress would probably never label their own citizens as insurgents but u never know.
You are right, that is one fault.
By the way, I'm sorry about your hair condition.
but we re not fighting capitalism are we? i thought we just want to regulate corporations so they cant take advantage of the system, though its flawed it worked for 200 years. and maybe capitalism just needs an update of some sort an evolution im no professor but theres my 2 cents. on top of that the people just need to re take control of the government.
I agree, but when the leader of Iran supports you....well you are a terrorist....So..Let's all suit up for guantanamo bay....
i know, the fear of god was just put into my butthole.
LMFAO!!
Wait, I solved it! LMFAO! If we have no asses, we can't be raped! Laugh! Laugh for your life!!!!
Well, the empowering of the people here does not necessarily translate to support for extremist Islam. The Soviet Union tried the same thing, exposing our civil rights abuses, etc. And, our propaganda machine does it also. Did you notice how the "Red" China description disappeared after our corporations found a way to profit from their enslaved labor?
Hahaha yes I did notice that.
I know this isn't what we are about, yet, it isn't exactly a good recommendation letter.
All my experiences with lawyers have not been good, especially after we handed over the retainer money, and had to track them down after that. It will be hard finding a good idealistic type, but there are a few out there.
I meant that will do it pro bono. Anyone trying to make money off of this is part of the problem.
theres a john adams of our generation somewhere, we just have to find him. we have 99% of americans to search from.
That's what I meant to say, good luck finding a good one who will do that. Sometimes a person with skill and a conscience will come forward. Let's hope they do.
Well I'm a student studying law, I am looking for lawyers who will give me an unpaid internship to help them help the Occupy movement. I want to help, but am also required to have an intership, so I figured I could combine them.
thats true patriotism, to learn and use that knowledge for the good of your own people.
Thank you, that was my intention when I started law.
You are really working on something valuable here, keep up the good work. Maybe the right person will see this.
Thank you