Forum Post: Are there and mods here?
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 2, 2011, 6:25 p.m. EST by jph
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delete all this anti-ows crap and ban the fools that have nothing useful to add and bring no points to debate. the baseless aggressive name callers and the blatant liars need to be deleted and banned. They add nothing and spam the forum,. making it next to useless.
I've noticed that any suggestion that might have merit is shot down viciously. Military veterans who join the protest are no longer heros but whiney malcontents. More than are here to try to give a valid suggestion or praise to the people who are out there on the front lines. I wonder. Who are these people? If they don't like the movement, create one of their own...or go join the Tea Party. That's where they sound like they are from. It really sounds like the forum has turned into, not a clearing house for OWS, but a forum for anti-OWS to run down any sort of gain or idea that might be put forth.
Look at it this way, if OWS was not hitting nerves that speak the truth, there would be no motive to discredit them. They would not be a threat for those people that attack them and they would move onto their next opponent.
This movement needs to realize that there are alot of people that are threatened by this and they will do and say anything to discredit them to stop the truth from being spread among the masses.
Ignorance is how you control the masses for if you are not informed of truth but are continuously fed lies, they will follow blindly to the lies.
I think one reason a lot of spammers come to these forums is because OWS invited them. They keep saying everyone is part of the 99%, thus including spammers in their movement without them, the spammers, having had to join.
I guess the folks doing the moderating are streatched a bit thin? The lack of common courtesy and respect are a huge reason we have so many problems these days
Strongly agree. Get rid of the blatant spam as well.
How about it site owners?
Prove that you mean what you purport to. Make this place usable.
if it is the only way moderate all posts,. it is not that difficult. If post do not show up till being moderated the fcktards will go away,.
There is nothing wrong with banning trolls from a forum.
It's a defacto forum thing to do.
The people whining are posting crap over and over and over again.
More importantly we should be looking at their ips and see if large numbers of them are coming from the same place.
jph, Censorship is wrong. We just need to separate the discussion into the helpful and not so helpful. We can continue to answer the critics if we choose.
We can also address our valuable time to building a set of Goals, a set of Problems and Solutions to address these problems and a Plan to get broad agreement to the proposed solutions.
not allowing fools to over run the forum with gibberish, hate, and lies, is not censorship,. it is normal practice on net based forums. either you contribute SOMETHING to the debate (on either side of an issue) or your post is not needed.
Did you read my post? Do you disagree with my solution?
The best way is to ignore them and reply to the genuine posts.
There are a lot of angry young men out there, who are pissed off nobody champions there specific cause (themselves) and get a kick out of replies.
Actually, as a public forum which invites posters, no matter their position, the trolls are desirable.
As long as they do not engage in personal attacks or attempt to defame another, their viewpoints make an excellent counterpoint to the pro members of this forum.
While it does get rather tiresome to read the same things (sorry I can't say points) over and over, the trolls words have a use.
They help keep the pro contingent from becoming complacent, they also encourage the pro contingent to produce verifiable information.
If one is offended by a troll, forgive them, it's what they do.
People can and do change. Sometimes it takes just a few words, sometimes it takes an event, but as long as people can change there is hope that at some point there can be compromise and understanding.
I wouldn't waste my time here
I pointed this out a 2 weeks ago. I guess whoever runs this forum just doesn't care.
I AGREE!
This forum has become so TROLL-INFESTED as to be virtually unusable!!!
I've been pleading with OWS and with the moderator of this forum to carefully weed out the trolls, as they are actually PAID to distract, disrupt and destroy all possibility of meaningful conversation on this forum.
IDENTIFY the trolls and then simply BAN them. Naturally, they wil screech : "Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!" but there is no such thing as freedom of HATE speech, in fact it is forbidden by law. The banned trolls will remain free to create their own OWS-hating site and "express". themselves to their heart's content.
This is only a sampling of some of the worst trolls, many of them self-confessed and totally cynical about their activities : "angry12", "DoNotLoot", "GaiaGirl", "Metoo", "MattLHolck", "Tednugent", "OccupyEverything", "brianobx", "Hilscher", "HilscherBanned", "blkflg", "Badhornet', "Earnit", "thebeach", "Jonas", "americanfreedom69", "uslynx81", "therealdeal2011", "1percenter4life", "superspiff", "suwata", "sudoname", "Momcalled", "justfactsallowed", "AntiCorp", "MikeyD", "MovingTwoChina", and "DukeNukem299", "dukeNukem347", "Moving8China", "MovingToReelection", "Rob", "angelofmercy", "AllThe Way", "CoffeeKick", "hahaha", "MisguidedYouth", , "RicoSuave", "RichardGates", "The1Capitalist","brianingrandy", "owsrulez", "weeicemon", "MisguidedYouth2", "NotAPuppet", "ArrestAllCEOS", "Joeschmoe1000", "hillary", "SSJHilscher", "Uriah", "gr57", "weeicemon"
For more on trolls, check out :
http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-trolls-think-trollosophy-exposed/#comment-179301
Actually, intelligent rebuttal seems to challenge TIOUAISE so much that being devoid of sufficient intellect he is forced to copy/pasting other people's work.
OWS doesn't need such a poseur.
A few examples of recent "intelligent rebuttal" by long-outed TROLL "hillary":
"lame"
"stupid"
"women-hating", etc., etc.
And more samples of completely unprovoked insults from other TROLLS:
"your a fudgepacking queer. Where is your boyfriend rant casey you faggot"
"dirty hippie commie pothead"
"go back to Spain!"
"white supremacist"
"antisemitic"
"racist"
"asshole"
"idiot!"
"are you a nigger, jigger or jew?"
"want to see my penis?"
"I personally like my privacy when jacking off, and I like to take my time with myself, and treat myself right, sometimes using up to a half hour. "
"you feeble little jew"
"you are just another zionist lackey"
"you are a snarky little twat"
THIS, my friends, is just a small sampling of the kind of FREE SPEECH that TROLLS on this forum are clamoring for... :)
Is THIS what our forefathers had in mind when defending FREEDOM OF SPEECH as an unalienable right?
Our trolls certainly seem to think so... When I challenge them, they screech that I am a "commissar" trying to "suppress dissent"!!! "you are a snarky little twat" : THAT is their idea of "dissent". To me, it sounds more like DESCENT... into nonsense, vulgarity and profanity. I wonder how impressed Soviet dissidents Nathan Charansky, Andrei Sakharov or Aleksandr Soljenitsin would be by such "dissent" ???
Using a wide brush to attempt to cover people who disagree with you with ugly labels.
Already using your end-game, huh? Maybe you've reached the end of your intellect.....
Not really, but I HAVE reached the end of this completely pointless non-conversation with a long-outed and not particularly DROLL TROLL.
Funny isn't my game. Intelligent dialogue is more my thing.
I can see why you bailed.....
I like bacon (oh, and SPAM too).
What's wrong with anti-OWS posts? Shouldn't the discuss favor free speech?
This forum is badly in need of "PEST CON-TROLL" !!!!
Here is a copy of an email I sent to OWS last night on the subject :
AN IMPORTANT SUGGESTION RE THIS FORUM
I think OWS is doing a FANTASTIC JOB and I hope you realize that. By the way, kudos for the remarkable piece "A New World".... a true masterpiece!
I disagree with only ONE point in your overall strategy and that is, what I perceive to be your excessive tolerance of TROLLS on this forum. The degree of infestation has become so severe that finding a good post and a worthwhile series of comments is like searching for a diamond in a mountain of... you know what. Quite honestly, I've never seen it as bad as it is tonight.
I'm sure that many sincere people who come to this forum with high expectations and start exploring it, get so TURNED OFF that they throw their arms up in disgust and never even bother to return.
And THAT to me is a real tragedy, as the Movement may be losing in that way hundreds, if not thousands, of potential supporters and contributors.
This infestation gives an impression of WEAKNESS and INDECISIVENESS which is NOT a true reflection of OWS at all!!! So why do the moderators of this forum allow the troll-infestation to project such an unfavorable image of OWS?
Please, OWS, think this through and give back to this forum the TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL that it had when it was created. It is, after all, one of your most important battlefields and deserves to be lovingly tended like a garden... and weeded regularly.
THANK YOU, OWS, AND GODSPEED YOU!
No. No hierarchy.
hierarchy? what are you talking about,. moderators are not a hierarchy,. they enforce basic community standards, by limiting posts to relevant material,. not link spamming,. and anti-human fear mongering and hatred laced posts of zero use.
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