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Forum Post: Are Tea Party Antics Destroying America?

Posted 2 years ago on April 4, 2012, 12:39 p.m. EST by HitGirl (2263)
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The US Export-Import bank has financed transactions since the Great Depression. It is necessary to maintain exports by lending (at low interest) to American businesses that finance purchases from over-seas buyers. The problem is the charter is set to expire in May and the Tea Party Republicans refuse to renew it! Why? Because of their misguided free-market religion. The bank is a win-win all around. Even makes money for the US government.

The following excerpts are from the New York Times article...

"There is not a bank in the United States that is going to lend money to that customer of mine in Argentina to buy my airplane," said David Ikert, vice president of finance at Air Tractor..."There is not a free-market system that operates like that. It does not exist. We need the EX-Im Bank, period."

Drew Greenblatt, president and owner of Marlin Steel Wire Products, in Baltimore, said he recently got a rush order of wire from Singapore, assuming he could finance the sale. He went to the Export-Import Bank and paid a one-half percent fee on the loan. The bank gauranteed 95% of the loan. He kept the plant working through the weekend and completed the sale.

"Think about all the winners in this transaction, he said. "Ex-Im got half a point, Baltimore City steelworkers got extra hours. I got extra profits to meet payroll, and hopefully I got a client who will reorder from me."

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, has pressed to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank, but at the insistence of Senator Mitch McConnel of Kentucky, the Republican leader, he joined his party in opposing Democratic efforts to add reauthorization to a small business finance bill.

So, is the Tea Party destroying America? Don't take it from me, conservatives, listen to what Lindsey Graham has to say...

"Come June, if this program dies, it will be the end of job creation for thousands of businesses for no good reason," he said. "And it will happen on our watch with our fingerprints on it."

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[-] 9 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

TP also stands for toilet paper.

Just sayin'.

[-] 4 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Time to flush out the House.

[-] 3 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Right down the toilet!!! It is the only proper thing to do. They have earned it!

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

They deserve an old fashion horse-whipping, but I'll settle for a swirley.

[-] 2 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

Wouldn't be wonderful if Sen. Paul Ryan gets nixed in the next election. I think I'd have to throw a Paul Ryan is GONE party. What a party that would be.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I'd celebrate. Just like when Jack Abramoff got indicted...party time.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

We need more Party Times!!! I'll see what I can do to make that happen!!!

Thanks HitGirl!!!

The Puzzler

[-] 0 points by lisaCobamarules (2) from New York, NY 2 years ago

i so agree but why stop at just a whipping? I say put repubs in prison for being anti-Obama and Anti-FreeSpeech. Rebubs were no good at war, but Obama is chief who will make fast win against Iran and Afghanistin!

[-] 4 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Most Republicans should go to prison for corruption and fraud. Many Democrats as well. And you need to see a therapist.

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

HAHhahahah...choke cough...wheeze...whew.

She said swirley.

[-] 1 points by Cweiss (-8) 2 years ago

You have to win it first and we at the unions are too organized to let you do that.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Don't make me laugh. The unions despise the Tea Party extremists. What union do you belong to? The union of greedy bankers?

[-] 0 points by Cweiss (-8) 2 years ago

You are wrong there. We need work and will push our votes to who we think will produce enough construction jobs for us. Right now we are hurting, so we need a change.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Don't bullshit us. The Unions are pro-OWS. The Republicans are servant and tools of the wealthy.

[-] 1 points by Cweiss (-8) 2 years ago

We represent plumbers and pipefitter - construction workers - and we need growth fo rus to get paid. We need business. You figure it out. This isn't some party this is the real world. Get real .

[-] 1 points by DCInsider (54) 2 years ago

I don't think that is true, not all unions are pro OWS. While the SIEU tolerates the OWS movement, I think a better (and more truthful) statement is that OWS is pro-union, but even then the OWS is failing unions.. For example, nowhere can I find reference about the 99 Spring on the site. Not on the front page news smack where it should be. There is almost NO reference to it and it's the biggest event going on! Here is what SIEU has to say about the 99% Spring. Let's get the word out people! Let's make a difference and stop distracting from the message.

http://www.seiu.org/2012/04/the-99-spring-is-coming.php

[-] 0 points by oneAdam12 (-7) from Queens, NY 2 years ago

u r too funny. not many brain cells left.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Lulz.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They really do have a built in image dysfunction - Freudian?

Toilet Paper - Tea Bagging..........huh funny.

[-] 4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Possibly.

I likes it.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

They in their own way can be so very helpful.

(:)D

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

Sounds similar to last August when they wanted to prevent the raising of the debt limit. Sure, have the U.S. stop paying it's bills. No problem. It didn't come to that, but the mere threat caused S&P to lower the U.S. credit rating so that the U.S. now has to pay more interest. Just plain stupidity.

Tea partiers lack pragmatism and they display no real world knowledge.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

A couple of articles that speak to your comment and to this 'forum-post' :

fiat lux ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

Thanks for these excellent articles, shadz66.

A quote from Taibbi: "That’s why it’s so brilliant for the Tea Party to put forward as its leaders some of the most egregiously stupid morons on our great green earth." LOL

And, from Churchwell: "The Tea Party version of the American Revolution is not just fundamentalist: it is also Disneyfied, sentimentalized, and whitewashed. It rests on a naïve, solipsistic and exceptionalist faith that for America it will all work out in the end, because America is "the greatest nation in the world". They take solace in tautology: America is great – this they know – because Fox News tells them so."

[-] -2 points by lisaCobamarules (2) from New York, NY 2 years ago

oh my I almost die this is so true you make good point! besides why repubs even try to elect when all know Obama is winner? i urge people vote for Obama so war in Afghanistin and Iran will be over quick. Obama hopefully invades Iran soon before summer heat. If only I had two votes for Barack he is my fav king of America!

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

All true. They're free-market witch doctors and completely irresponsible.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Morning world, if I say "beautiful", I feel like I'm flirting, (and I respect you for your mind),

I haven’t checked lately, but I believe one of the scary things about the rating dropping to double A was that fed bond prices went up, (interest rate went down), because people around the world were scared by the downgrade, that may have reversed itself, but the opposite of what should have happened. Just a friendly word before some troll thinks they got bait.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

LOL! You are too funny. Excellent point. That downgrade was no trifling event.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You know what people don't do when they are scared? They don't hire people for one thing, and the TEA party scares the hell out of everybody, at least they try to.

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

Exactly. They blame Obama, but it was really the Tea Party shenanigans that scared the hell out of the entire world, really.

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[-] -1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

No, the "mere threat" was not what caused the downgrade.

The debt ceiling debate was one part of what caused the S&P to put the US on "creditwatch" saying that said the United States needed to not only raise the debt ceiling, but also develop a "credible" plan to tackle the nation's long-term debt to avoid any downgrade.

The downgrade came AFTER the "agreement" was made and did not - in the S&P's opinion provide that "credible" plan.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the ... plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics."

They went on to say that the deal didn't address the issues with Social Security and Medicare.

The S&P also pointed the finger of blame at both parties:

"The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed."

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

No. The shenanigans of the Tea Party worried the S&P that the U.S. would even CONSIDER not paying it's debts. No "credible" plan was a part of it, but the actual THREAT to not raise the debt ceiling thereby causing the U.S. to be unable to pay it's debts was the real culprit.

[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

Explain to me why the United States needs credit at all and to borrow from whom?

Seriously, I can see ZERO reason for the United States Government to exist beyond the revenues handed over by the citizens. Do you?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

First of all, borrowing and debt are unfortunately common to every nation. The U.S. is not special, here. Secondly, no, I don't like it, but I don't like the way my government's spending got us into the debt in the first place. The Bush tax cuts and the wars should be ended. This would help a great deal to bring down the debt. I also think that social items such as universal healthcare, cheaper higher education, etc.,would be so beneficial to the American people, that they, ironically, in the long run would help the U.S. to balance it's budget, the benefits outweighing the cost.

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[-] 0 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

That is an "opinion" not a statement of fact. The S&P made no comments on the Tea Party at all in its decision process - that was done by opinion writers with political agendas.

"If an agreement is reached, but we do not believe that it likely will stabilize the U.S.' debt dynamics, we, again all other things unchanged, would expect to lower the long-term 'AAA' rating, affirm the 'A-1+' short-term rating, and assign a negative outlook on the long-term rating,"

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the ... plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics."

"We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process,"

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

Are you kidding me? Who caused the "prolonged controversy" huh?

[-] 0 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

So you are in favor of the government continuing to deficit spend and incur debt that cannot be repaid? You are in favor of raising the debt ceiling on into infinity (passing it on to our grandchildren and their children)?

Because ultimately, the bandaids that the Congress has been putting on the budget issues for decades are going to cause bankruptcy. The S&P lowered the credit rating of the US because the path we are on now cannot continue.

The Congress - both sides of the aisle - are too busy playing political games of one upmanship to tackle the very real issues in the budget. Ultimately, despite the partisan placing of blame that we are seeing on this post, both sides are equally to blame and that is what the S&P was saying in their statements regarding the decision.

If you refuse to accept that fact, you are basing your stance on an opinion, not on fact.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

How about ending the Bush Tax Cuts and the Bush wars. How about that? Without those two items we wouldn't be in this mess.

[-] -2 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

LOL...the Democrats had both houses of congress and the White House for two years. They passed health care without one Republican vote - don't you think if they really wanted to end the Bush Tax Cuts and the "Bush" wars, they could have done so?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

Yes, LOL. Just because I say an end to the Bush Tax Cuts and the Bush Wars could have solved a lot of our problems in no way says I'm happy with the Dems for their contributions in prolonging them.

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

Which brings us back to my original point. The blame for the mess that we find ourselves in lies at the feet of both parties. Both use "words of intent" - i.e. "I will close Gitmo" to win political points when they know the reality is that actually making that promise good won't be possible either in totality or in part.

Clinton campaigned on a tax cut for the middle class but almost immediately upon assuming office said "oops, sorry. The numbers were not accurate and there is no way I can cut your taxes".....

It is part of the political game.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

True. It is all a political game, however, the fight over the debt ceiling that resulted in the downgrade brought global economic fear and weakened the U.S. reputation even further, which it did not need. I'm afraid tea partiers lack a global perspective as their worldview is very insular.

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[-] 0 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

Well duh, but, the only answer possible is.... they've been paid well not to do any of those things.

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Truth - reality proves - you can not blame the inheritor for the death and disease caused by the predecessor. Most especially if that inheritor is greeted with stonewalling and sabotage.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21343) 2 years ago

Sadly true.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Like the Greeks we refuse to pay reasonable taxes, so the world distrusts us.

By your thinking gravity is an opinion, but not one you’re going to twist into nothing, and anybody who followed this story and has a brain knows the debt limit crap is what caused it, to argue otherwise, is not discussion it is propaganda.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The wealthy in America pay the world’s lowest tax rates; this was their way of saying “fix that”. When the wealthy in the rest of the world catch on, America becomes a footnote.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Yes.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

And the budgets they are drooling over and calling "brave" and "bold" are appalling giveaways to the rich. How "brave" is it to come up with a budget that favors those who already have all the money. Really, there's something very wrong with these people.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

That was putting it nicely:)

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

That was my zen of writing. When you reach a certain point it just flows.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

According to my sources............................giggle.

Slammy claims the guy is almost a ..........(gasp) Democrat!

He sounds like any other conse(R)vative to me.

How far right do these people really want to take us??

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

And to think, he had to read Ed Bernays to get there........:)

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

LOL!!!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

We got the best propaganda in the World and we always did.

Ed Bernays pretty much invented it, as the modern World knows it.

Without ED, there would have been no Goebbels.

I have yet to meet a conse(R)vative, who knows and understands this.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Yes, I have always had an aversion to public relations because of it's close connection to propoganda. I'm not sure if there really is any distiction between the two. Thus my resistance to an actual PR program for Occupy. On the other hand, we certainly can't let them turn that practice effectively against us. The whole thing is a real conundrum.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Man's always done it in one form or another. We just perfected it.

I hate to say it, but I believe it will take propaganda, to break the spell of all the propaganda washing over everyone every waking hour.

You have to admit, the stuff works.

We use it anyway, all a sign is, is simple propaganda.

Why not sharpen the tools we are already using anyway.

Just propagandize the truth..........................:)

And don't get me started on politics...........LOL

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

I have always thought we should use whatever techniques we are able to find, short of violence, because we are up against a very powerful machine, and so I guess I agree with you. Yuck!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Aw c'mon. Using their favorite tool against them would be fun.....:)

It could be like a "Yes Men" movie writ large.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

Why not? They use it all the time to lie, why not use it to spread the truth for a change. That WOULD be different!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's all bout how you use the tools you have............:)

Use them well and the job is easier, safer and faster.

[-] 2 points by forjustice (178) from Kearney, NE 2 years ago

Rand Paul says not giving subsidies to oil companies is punishing success. WTF?

Lamar Smith sponsored SOPA and PCIP.

Small government? Personal Liberty? Tea Party dances on the purse strings of those that funded that astro turf movement.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Thanks for that info. Tea Party representatives handing money to big oil. Their whole movement is a crock!

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

Both actions and obstructions have consequences and therefore responsibilities. I am reminded on a child pulling a wagon labeled "economic recovery." Another child is hanging onto the wagon sliding with feet braced against the ground while screaming, "You aren't pulling fast enough!"

Your names for the children will be revealing.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

The screaming child is late for his Tea Party.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

I believe you are correct.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The short answer is, yes.

The longer answer is they are destroying the American government, that is the only power on earth that can oversee their billions, if they can gut the USA government they have free reign to roam the world like pirates (not the funny, sexy kind, like Jack), taking whatever they want and bringing it back to their private gated compounds.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Wealth should not trump the government of We the People. There should be a law...there should be several.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

This is their game, play "freedom" against "government" downplaying the whole "we the people" thing, any effort of having a fair set of rules and they cry "lazy mobs destroying the nation", but you know the game, this is just a recap.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Right, the US government is about freedom when people realize it's their government. The people need to take ownership and the Big Lie that plays off the people against its own government needs to be exposed whenever possible.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

sort of, let me tell you a short story I recently heard, a man born in North Koren labor camp meets a man brought in from outside, the man tells him about freedom and grilled meat, the man escapes because he wants a belly full of grilled meat...this is true story, he is the only person born in one of these camps in 50 years to escape

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

So, if he had met a vegetarian things would have been different?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

What I'm saying is all these people stomping around talking about fine ideals like freedom and democracy these are things you don't concern yourself with when you are hungry, I guess to bring it home, more and more people are hungry in America today, some would say that is because of greed, others might think it is for control.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Well that's an interesting take. Not obvious in your story, but I understand your point. I've had sociology so I understand that if you're going hungry you're not very high on the tier. That doesn't make ideals like freedom and democracy any less important. I think they have proved their importance over time. And another thought (and maybe what you are trying to imply) is that conditions like hunger are part of an assault on Democracy, Freedom and America.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

my falut really I did shorten it up a bit, he has a book out, so you can imgine there is a much longer verision,

The labor camps of North Koren may seem far away to Americans, but think of how many we do have in prison, and there is more call to put more in prison than less, on the left we ask what about the bankers, on the right they ask what about everybody except the bankers.

So the numbers grow and at least here in AZ the private prison owners fatten their wallets both with state money for keeping them and private money for working them, and between cashing checks they lobby our "reperestives" for more laws to put more people in jail, AKA SB 1070, I know I'm kind of running long here but I do want you to know where I'm coming from.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I'm aware of the private prison situation. More Americans have to start getting involved and getting the truth instead of the spin. That's where OWS has helped out.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It has and is.

sometimes when talking to real people i will just start talking about whatever so I do drift sometimes, a lot of people on here are doing good work, I hope it gets out, the media won't talk about this stuff, unless presuded to

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Maybe some OWS members should start an internet news cast using diverse sources for their content. There has to be some talented people out there who want to report the real news. It could even be billed as a reality show.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I'm all for it, my stuff tends to get edited out in cases like that though, Al Franken, thought it was too inflamtory, I think, can't really say why people do what they do, but his producer was all up for one of my pieces till somebody above him took over, same thing happen to me at the occcupy Phoenix, site the person selected to pick loved a piece of mine, but somebody over them cut it off, made it my bio here with a coulple of addins.

So I would love to see that happen but people with trust funds don't like my stuff.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I guess it would have to be a micro-funded kind of thing.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6616) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

to step from opinion to news is expensive, but the front pages around the country do provide news on OWS, I saw bloggers long ago, with cams on their heads and mics in their hands talk about mirco funding, but a number of them are "huge" now, there is this thing we have in engineering, energy gets work done

[-] 2 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Yes.

Now let's get out the vote, never repeat 2010, and kick these crazy fucks the hell out of our already Con-damaged government!!

If YOU Don't Vote, YOU Don't Count!!

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

We should all volunteer for phone banks whenever possible. Posting things on the internet is fun but waking people up out of the Murdoch Matrix...priceless.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Canvassing and phone-banking are great. Making sure that Occupiers all have loud and clear signs, banners and flags also espousing Voting when America sees them again on TV will be very great. Making sure there are no Woodstock reenactments, cardboard and crayon scribbles and sleeping bag parking lots, pretty priceless, too.

We have history to make (Cons know this), let's make it good!

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I've always believed OWS should wrap itself in the flag...

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Speaks a million positive words with every glimpse and flicker Louder and Clearer than anything.

Democracy in action is what the flag represents!! We have ceded it to the right without thinking.

The power of the people and the flag, right there in our hands all along, and UNBEATABLE!!!

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Are the stars on the RNC home page really upside down?

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

I checked on line and they seem the same in the tiny pics I could find. But I heard the rumors, too.

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Yes yes YES. It is our country and our way of life we are fighting for. These things we are fighting go back to the original founding. What more could be more real?

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Protesting is an American value.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It certainly should be. I wonder sometimes though. That is the insidious thing about mass media it plays it up for certain things and you get all stirred up and emotional and then something real like this comes along and shit you are treated like a leper by the media. Worse a lot of people don't see it and buy into the media propaganda until something comes along that they do care about and they then happen to notice - Hey aren't there people protesting about this? People are confused as to who they are anymore - it would seem. For this alone it is good that we are having this fight.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Teabaggers have laid waste to almost everything they've had anything to do with.

The dips even raised my taxes!

Liars worse than the rest.

[+] -4 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

shooz is a bitter person with a grudge against anyone who does not agree with her/his/its hatred of Taxed Enough Already party people. shoozie,how do you feel about the liar-in-chief,....obama?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Where in the hell do you get bitter from?

You should stop makin' stuff up.

Teabaggers raised my taxes! They are LIARS!

Worse than the rest.

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

where do i get bitter from?,........your choice of words. how do you feel about obama threatening the supreme court justices? how do you feel about obama circumventing congress? do you see a pattern ? obama is a statist, a totalitarian.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

S'cuse me?

You're the one that sounds bitter. Miss Bush's antics?

Which question do you want me answer?

PS Teabaggers are still a smelly pile of ****!

F'n liars!

How do you feel about that?

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

by your choice of wordds , YOU are a bitter, angry person. still didnt answer the questions. how do you feel about obama circumventing the congress, how do you feel about obama threatening the supreme court justices? there are 3 branches of govt. NOT 1.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What's a branhes?

As to SCOTUS?

I give him kodos for having the balls to challenge the most mixed up court in my lifetime.

He didn't actually threaten anybody. Turn off FLAKESnews.

Teabaggers are still a rancid, lying, bag of smelly ****!

That's the truth about teabaggers.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I give him credit for that too.

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

he has NO right underthe constitution to threaten or try to control the supreme court. they interpret law,............the president is not empowered to do so. you're bitter . you're angry, and you're stupid too !!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

He didn't threaten anybody.

Turn off FLAKESnews.

Stop being so bitter yourself.

The SCOTUS must presume a law is Constitutional when it gets to them.

They ask for arguments and then they must prove it isn't constitutional, on the basis of those arguments.

[-] -2 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

read what obama said,. he did treaten the supreme court justices and tried to walk it back,.........obama is a thug,..........a chavez wannabe. the sc does not have to presume a law is constitutional,......it hears arguments from both side and THEN decides , according to the constitution if a law is constitutional. you're dumber than obama

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Thug???

Chavez wannabe?

You are the most bitter troll around.

Turn off that fat head Limbaugh too.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

try reading Marbury vs Madison ( 1803)

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9780) 2 years ago

How's the weather down there in Florida?

[-] 1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

i have no idea, i live in the northeast.

[-] -3 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

And he also presents as the most intelligent person on the planet*.... just ask him, I think he probably is!

we need good ol shooz to run the United States, after all, he has just as much experience as any of the other sociopaths in DC, and he can screw on car bumper after car bumper, all day long, if he's over-paid to do so and can't get fired from that job short of getting caught red handed stealing... or never showing up for work.

*very average level of intelligence and quite mediocre minded at best

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow someone has a case of envy. It is OK, someday when you grow up you can be like shooz too. But 1st step on that road would be to start think well of others - and no that does not mean to think of others as a swell source of income.

[-] -2 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

YEAH! Tell that bitch!

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Wow identity crisis? Well I suppose that is a risk when you spend your time pretending.

[-] -1 points by PretendHitGirI (13) 2 years ago

YEAH! Tell that bitch some more!

[-] 2 points by dewdney11 (8) 2 years ago

I have just read some comments and Ocean liner jumped out at me because of the ship that had to abandon 3,000 cattle because no port would let the ship dock..My answer is while we are evolving there seems to be disaster after disaster...I think it's because certain 1% are panicking..They will all stab each other in the back..Money is no longer the issue to me...Thanks to everyone for all the work and encouragement to keep at the 99% to come together..We need to do it for the future of our children..It is our mistake.. We need to sort it for our newborn...Love peace and unity..

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Humans evolving so the 1% can't handle loss of control? I guess that's possible. We do need to "sort it out" before the changing climate becomes an extinction event.

[-] 2 points by RedJazz43 (2757) 2 years ago

One can only hope

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

For clear fingerprints?

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Ignorance, greed, and hatred are destroying America.

Lindsey Graham is a big part of that and that man is destroying America along with the majority of congress.

Lindsey Graham doesn't believe in the bill of rights. Lindsey Graham believes in a dictatorship where whatever he believes in is right.

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 2 years ago

When you discover all of the issues they are involved in (on the wrong side) and the amount of money they give to groups and candidates, it will scare your pants off.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Who are they? And back it up with a link.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Sen. Graham has had some interesting ideas over the years, too bad he has no spine, and is so quick to capitulate to his dim witted party.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

At least he doesn't seem to be drunk on the same voodoo economic koolaid that the neocons seem to love so much.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I remember several years ago he was pushing a border tax bill, which I thought was a decent idea (although probably not workable under WTO), nevertheless, his party rejected the idea, and soon enough, so did Graham (like the good puppy dog he is). However, I'm quite sure he's supported some very fucked up ideas over the years (so I'm certainly no fan of Graham, but every once in a while he displays what at least appears to be a functional brain) :)

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

That is a pretty sound evaluation. I am no Lindsay Graham fan either.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Do you get the impression that if Obama was on an ocean liner with 10.000 Americans, that the tp would torpedo it if they could - and applaud as it sank.


remember tp is what you use wipe your Rs

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Remember America's credit downgrade? Also Tea Party treason.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

There is no bigger threat to our nation's sovereignty than the big banks and credit rating services.

Dennis Kucinich simply explains the problem to an ignorant as fuck congress - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1dkZShYP78

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

OK, I agree, big banks are a threat. China's leader just spoke out for the need to break big banks up in China, but I think a case could be made that Republican free-market witch doctors are pretty destructive as well.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

what is TEA party treason?

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

You do recall the events leading up to the credit downgrade, right? How Tea Party intransigence stalled a relatively routine increase in the debt ceiling? Well consider the fact that their actions also reflect their hatred for the president. Well, guess what, taking actions that hurt the nation because you dislike the democratically elected president is treason. Period.

[-] 0 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

That "relatively routine" act of increasing the debt limit is what has led us to the place we are now (along with other things). How long can anyone continue to spend more and borrow more before they declare bankruptcy?

The ignoring of the Bowles Simpson report also had a direct impact on the downgrade by the S&P. And you'll remember that that report was requested by President Obama and then ignored by him.

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

That had nothing to do with disliking the President - that is not to say they don't dislike the president - but everything to do with getting spending under control. A majority of the country believes that the Federal Government spends to much and we need to reduce.

By the way, he doesn't know it but he should thank him as it is clear that markets are gaining confidence as they believe there are some parameters being put on spenidng. Markets love clarity and do nothing stalemate is clarity.

[-] -1 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

keep raising the debt ceiling an you'll put the usa out of business. what people do not like about obama is his ideology. that too much for you to grasp? obama has been systematically destroying the usa since he took office. treason.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

When Occupiers complain about the Tea Party hijacking our government, they're also implicitly admitting that Occupy could have also influenced our government -- if they had translated the energy of the early movement into political representation. It was sad to see the window close on that opportunity.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Elected officials and candidates on both sides are making reference to OWS. Both are using the language that describes income inequality as a major issue. Both talk about helping the middle class to recover. I think it is premature and uninformed for you to claim that OWS has not influenced our government.

[-] 0 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 2 years ago

Then why are Occupiers complaining about Tea Partiers blocking the renewal of the charter for the US Export-Import bank? Instead of complaining about an activist movement having disproportionate influence over our government, Occupy could have translated its early energy into having the same kind of influence. 'Making references' to wealth inequality is a very different measure of success than hijacking the national debate over raising the debt ceiling. Instead of standing on the outside criticizing, Occupy could have participated directly.

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 2 years ago

I wonder how much of his exorbitant profits he shared with the OWS mob.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I don't.

[-] 0 points by lisaCobamarules (2) from New York, NY 2 years ago

so true HitGirl! Tea party is anti-America and anti-Obama! vote for Obama in 2012 so America can get attacks done quick. and everyone knows Obama is winner--- so tea party will be oh sooooo sad! hahahhah

Obama is tough warrior! Do not oppose him or get the smackdown!

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Quit punishing the English language...It never did anything to you.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

The only winners are the "select few" who get the one half percent fee on the loan. How about giving me a one half percent fee on my mortgage?

Would like a one half percent fee on your mortgage? That's the problem with our government today - giving away money to everyone but the working class people. I guess maybe that's the reason why there are the 1% and the 99% - you think?

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

So you're against businesses getting short term loans to finance exports? Other nations do a lot more to subsidize their exports. The mortgage example is not in any way comparable.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I am against any government intervention when it comes to private enterprise.

If you haven't noticed, the goverment has destroyed the solar industry by being selective in who gets grants, and giving grants to every company that comes down the pike.

So I ask you - what gives the government a "right" to chose and select who gets cheap loans while the general public continues to get "screwed".

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

You're an idiot. You believe in free-market voodoo. The bank exists to facilitate exports. It doesn't pick and choose winners. It provides practical financing. Didn't you read the post? You'd let America drown in your free-market puke while other countries assist their exports any way they can because they are playing to win as opposed to adhering to some backward free-market religion.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

You are calling me an idiot when your are protesting wall street because of the so called "glut of money they have because of the government".

And lets not forget about the government "guarenteeing" toxic housing loans that they had to take in when the economy went south - and the taxpayer was on the hook for all of them.

Now the government wants to package them up and sell them in lots to big businesses (the very people you dispise) - and in turn let them rent them to the "99%" and make hugh profits off them. That's the reason I disagree with government intervention when it comes to private enterprise.

If a company can't make it on their own then they don't need to be in business - we don't need no stinking government bailing them out at the expense of the taxpayer.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Wall Street is being protested for its corrupt practices. OWS is also protesting the government. Your statement makes a lot of assumptions that just aren't true. There are good government programs and bad ones. Unlike you, I'm not bound by some free-market voodoo religion and am able to discern that the market does not exist without the government. The government defines the market and government oversight is the only thing protecting consumers from the worst abuses. Get a clue.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

No, the government does not define the market for if it did we wouldn't be at over 8% unemployment. The job of the government is to "regulate interstate commerece" and they are doing a bad job at that.

The market place is driven by consumers and private businesses.

There is "too much government interference" in the daily lives of individuals and it's not the job of government to regulate individuals.

Look at the laws that were just passed recently by the federal government that gives them the right to arrest you without probable cause.

Why are the OWS protesting that - it sure as hell isn't because the laws just past are "protecting consumers from abuses - "individual rights" are being taken away from individuals and in return you get more government control - .

You need to get a clue and educate yourself on what the job of the federal government is and not what you think it should be.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (26662) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

You are right and wrong. Individual rights are under attack by the greedy corrupt and their manipulations - to try and remove the peoples ability to affect and guide government. That is why we are here fighting the corruption and abuse before it is too late. We do not need more government that is a fallacy thrown out by those who would support the status-quo and by those who have been miss-led by those same greedy corrupt controllers/owners of the media trying to disillusion those hungering for justice.

All we need is the government to recognize us "The People" by our taking action as we are currently doing. Then once they are listening to us again they just need to start enforcing the laws that are already on the books and they need to kick our established watch-dog departments into action - legal action.

How do we make them listen? Just as we are now by communicating and like how Wisconsin is taking action by booting Walker. Booting Walker should be a wake-up call to all. Do your job - do it properly or get out!

[-] 0 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

Yep. Time for Americans to pull the Koch out of their mouths and start voting the people behind these dumb decisions OUT of office!

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

There should be a law that makes representatives pay back the taxpayers when they fuck up this bad.

[-] 1 points by Puzzlin (2898) 2 years ago

The nail is in. I will need to remember your phrase, "pull the Koch out of their mouths"

The Koch Bros send chills through my body every time I hear about their antics.

Good one, classic.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

If you have been voting for politicians who promise to give you goodies at someone else's expense, then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else, including themselves. – Thomas Sowell

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

And that is apropos of the above post how??

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

There are lots of banks with hugh amounts of deposits that would fund these exports. Why should these 1%er who own businesses get preferential treatment.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

That's not true. Read the entire post before commenting. "There is not a bank in the United States that is going to lend money to that customer of mine in Argentina to buy my airplane," said David Ikert, vice president of finance at Air Tractor..."There is not a free-market system that operates like that. It does not exist. We need the EX-Im Bank, period."

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Of course he likes the loans and the guarantees. He has to put up very little collateral - 10% - and the interest rate is incredibly low. There is no US bank or Argentinian bank that will give him that deal.

You want to talk about one group - call them the 1% - benefitting from another group - the 99% - this is exactly what this is. Why should Air Tractor benefit with below market side deals when others can't. Where does this money come from?

As a side note, banks are flush with capital that they must deploy in order to meet their profit guidelines. My guess would be that Air Tractor is a higher risk company and is having trouble accessing the credit mark. As to who the Argentinian company is, that's anybody's guess. I can tell you that many US banks - Citi for one - have large Latin American presence and there are some great Argentinian ones as well.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I see no reason to deny American businesses loans during at a time of high unemployment and economic recession as long as we're not breaking international rules. Some weird free-market ethic is not a good enough excuse to crap on struggling businesses or deny commerce from taking place. You just don't want to believe that the government plays a constructive roll in commerce. I can always spot a free-market voodoo priest from their utter lack loyalty to America.

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

So then why are you against bailing out banks? That's exactly what the government did in 08.

Should the government then be the lender and no banks? Who should get these loans?

Be careful accusing somebody of lack of loyalty when you don't know them personally. I don't know you and keep the conversation civil and focused on the points.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Considering the recent ethical lapses of the private banks, maybe the government should be the lender. They print the money after all. More importantly, those states with state banks have fared better during the recession. It would be good if bankers were government flunkies who could not lobby to change laws and regulations.

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

So if the government is better at commerce why not let them control all industries? Which ones should they control and which ones not.

China has state controlled banks, should we be like them?

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

China's doing pretty well too. And i never said the government was better at commerce. Please show me where I said that.

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Then why do you want the government to assist one group of owners versus another. Why should the government be lending to some Argentinian company? So what is your proposal.

By the way, there is a tremendous amount of corruption in Chinese banks.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Unlike our banks?

[-] 0 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

The banks should not have been bailed out. I was against it then and publically said it. The issue of moral hazard is one that has not been discussed at all. The night AIG was bailed out I went out and had a stiff drink.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Has it dawned on you yet, that we may need to nationalize banks in order to compete with China?

It seems the "right" wants us to compete on wages and benefits, why not banks?

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Nationalizing banks or any industry has historically brought below market performance and corruption. Any bureaucracy without competition will become stagnant and not innovate.

China has immense problems and the wage advantage that they have/had is quickly diminishing so much so that production is being brought to the local level. You see it already in the manufacturing numbers in the US.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Don't you see? This is what makes you so twisted.

You think of extremely low wages as an advantage.

It isn't.

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Of course low wages are an advantage. How are they not? They are a factor in the cost of goods and allow a company to have flexibility.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Then it's incumbent upon you to accept the lowest wages possible.

If you don't? You're talkin' BS.

Stop talkin' and start walkin'.

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

As an employee, absolutely. Twice in the past ten years I have lowered my own salary so that we could lower the cost of our goods to sell more. When we don't have pricing power we have to compete on price.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

free market is about private ownership

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Not lower....lowest. Why waste profits on wages. That's bad thing.

100% minimum wage top to bottom.

The corporation must not only survive, it must flourish and pay the investors as much as possible.

[-] -1 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

If it works absolutely. If I don't like it and think I can get more money somewhere else then I leave. That's the basis of the free market, freedom and liberty to choose what's right for me and my family.

[-] -1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

The reauthorization was an amendment attached by the Senate Democrats to the Jobs Bill.....Some additional reading:

It wasn’t because Republicans necessarily opposed renewing the agency – although some senators do – but because attaching the Ex-Im provision would slow progress on the overall bill, McConnell said.

“If we add the Ex-Im Bank to it, we only delay the passage of this bipartisan jobs bill, and we send it back to the House, and we don’t know how they feel about the Ex-Im extension,” McConnell said. “I don’t think there’s any particular reason for delaying a jobs bill that is overwhelmingly supported on a bipartisan basis.”

"Cantor prefers a one-year extension of the Ex-Im Bank and a lending cap of $113 billion, but considered separately from the JOBS Act."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74256.html#ixzz1rB0Ei2TZ

What Hitgirl left out of the story is that Republicans are not against the reauthorization - at least not all of them - the issue was that it was attached by the Senate to the jobs bill which would have required that it go back to the House.

And I've seen quite a few posts on this forum against the Jobs Act. Which is it - are the occupiers for the jobs act or against it?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74256.html#ixzz1rAzrLzJb

[-] 5 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

The reauthorization should have been a no-brainer considering the present state of the economy. And, by the way, the Tea Party witch doctors are Republicans. If you read the title of my post you can see where I'm laying the blame.

[-] -1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

So, you were okay with the Jobs Act going back to the House for several more weeks or months because of an amendment that could be a stand alone bill and move much more quickly through both Houses of Congress?

The Jobs Act will be signed today.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Not the same thing. The Jobs Act had some serious flaws. New legislation requires ferreting the poison pills and corporate giveaways out before they become law. The reauthorization of Ex-Ims charter is simply continuing something that's already working for the economy and the taxpayer.

[-] 0 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

Agreed, however, the Jobs Act was ready to go to the President when the amendment was added to the Senate bill. The Republicans have stated that if it had been accepted, it would have required the Jobs Act go back to the House delaying the Jobs Act being sent to the President for signature. The Jobs Act was signed yesterday.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2012/04/05/president-obama-signs-jobs-act-into-law

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[-] -2 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

the ny times?lol is this your latest talking point? obama is doing terrible things .threatening the supreme court is the act of a totalitarian. disregarding the congress is the act of a totalitarian.there are 3 branches of govt, NOT one. obama is destroying america.

[-] 4 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Wrong in every particular.

[-] 0 points by po6059 (72) 2 years ago

in each instance , im right.

[-] -1 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

So, HitGirl, you support the President being able to circumvent the Congress through executive orders? At what point would you consider this a dangerous use of power?

And, you support the President applying political pressure on the third branch of government by questioning their authority in judicial review? http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/judge-demands-obama-pledge-allegiance-to-federal-courts/

[-] -3 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

OWS and the Left/Dems have now become one and the same, there IS no difference.

OWS will be working proactively to re-elect the worst POTUS this nation has ever seen.

If barry is re-elected and the ensuing economic misery,compliments of Obamacare and his scorched earth policies begin to explode,OWS will than of course distance themselves from Obama just to save their ass.

OWS is just a wing of the Leftist,Progressive Demonrats.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Wrong. OWS is progressive, but not all democrats are. I'm proudly progressive. I'd love to elect Elizabeth Warren president. But what binds and defines OWS is the growing gap of income inequality in America. OWS doesn't want a class system, they want a middle class and that is also a priority of progressives. So either get on board or get out of the way, because this ain't no free-market voodoo cult. OWS is pro-America, pro-middle class through and through!

[+] -4 points by tomahawk (-21) 2 years ago

Pro-propaganda is all your reply was. Save it for your fellow Proglodytes. There is nothing "pro-America" about Progressive's.

[-] -3 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

Lindsay Graham....that's your conservative?

That's a stretch......he's one of the most liberal republicans in congress

Liberals are doing their best to destroy America and the American Ideal.....but there are still enough of us out here to stop them...

OWS is a symtom of the destruction of America, with their "gimme, gimme, gimme" attitude and sense of entitlement without merit......

If you fools put half as much effort into doing something as you do complaining and pointing fingers, you'd be leaps and bounds ahead of where you are.....

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Who cares if Lindsay Graham is a conservative or not? You're missing the point. The Ex-Im bank is a good government program of proven merit and like all witch-doctor conservatives you're willing to toss it out no matter how much harm it causes. That is irresponsibility at its worst and it is that sort of voodoo thinking that will get your Tea Part candidates frog-marched out of Washington. Can't come soon enough for me!

[-] 0 points by Concerned (455) 2 years ago

Again, I'll just point out that it was the fact that it was added as an amendment to the Jobs Act - which would have required it to go back to the House thereby slowing down the Jobs Act which has broad bipartisan support. Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74256.html#ixzz1rB0Ei2TZ

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Again, if the House was composed of sane politicians instead of voodoo extremists there would not have been any problem and it reasonable to include it in the Jobs Act because it set to expire. Again, "Come June, if this program dies, it will be the end of job creation for thousands of businesses for no good reason," he said. "And it will happen on our watch with our fingerprints on it."

[-] 0 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

And we wouldn't even be discussing this disgusting mess if a certain segment of pouty Dems showed up to vote in 2010!!

2010 Never EVER Again!!

If YOU Don't Vote, YOU Don't Count!!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Typical connedservative excuse.

I've heard it a thousand times. It's lamer with every repetition.

I would have thought you could come with something better than that tired old excuse.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

there are universal maxims, that are correct every time......old or not

the tired old excuse that objects fall at 32ft per second/per second is a tired old excuse why it's foolish to jump off a building too...but just as true as the first time it was discovered....

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sounds good, except you didn't use a maxim.

Just tired old conned-servative excuses.

He's not my kind of "conse(R)vative", he's an other.

It's a tired, lame, overused excuse.

Nothing more.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

He's NOT a conservative...and doesn't claim to be, and no one would claim him to be either...accept you, I guess.....

He's a typical insider moderate/liberal rino....

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Pure unadulterated opinion. Lame too.

I just checked he's got an (R) after his name and his site includes the (R)epelican't party doctrine.

Yours is just a lame excuse. Same one I've heard for Bush.

Just excuses. But hey, if it's all you got? Run with it, but it's till lame.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

Bush wasn't conservative either....and guess what, all democrats aren't liberal either...

Imagine that?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

See?

All you can do is wiggle, squirm and deny.

Conned and lame.

As for as your equally lame question? I never said they were.

[-] 1 points by JIFFYSQUID92 (-994) from Portland, OR 2 years ago

Your Royalist/Loyalist ancestors would be so proud of you.

"End this foolish democracy, rule by mere people!! Begone heathens and rabble!!

"What we need is a good strong King to bring back order and decency as it was and should rightfully be!!"

[-] -1 points by slammersworldwillnotbecensored (-184) 2 years ago

that's all you got?....weak...

[+] -4 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

The Tea Party is saving America!

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

They're a wrecking crew. Servants of the 1-percent.

[-] -2 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

hahaha! all a matter of opinion