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Forum Post: Are Americans becoming dumber and fatter?

Posted 1 year ago on May 8, 2013, 2:12 p.m. EST by TheLoneWolf (-103)
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Fatter yes. Dumber, most likely.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/04/creeping-danger-conspiracy-theorists

Americans are intellectually lost. They can no longer separate fantasy from reality. 5% believe in Icke's lizard men, 26% believe Obama is the anti-christ. 54% of Americans believe vaccinations are dangerous or they don't understand them.

Basic science is out the door. The history channel talks about alien anal probings, a subject Americans love. 25% of Americans believe they have been anally probed. Not with a tender finger, but with a cold metallic device.

911 truth, chemtrails, baking soda that cures cancer, Fema camps, etc... these are the subjects Americans consider as being intellectual.

Don't drink tap water Yankee. There's fluoride in it, and you know the commies put that there for a reason. By some more plastic water bottles and keep polluting the earth.

49% of Americans don't believe in the scientific consensus on global warming. Nope, instead they believe scientists worldwide are conspiring to trick us. They must all have been paid off by Exxon.

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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Of course, because the corporate 1% want us dumber and fatter, and they call the shots here. Why do you think they've gone to war on family farms, and the rural ecomomy, and public education.

We are in a war, a war of ideologies, and thus far the corporations have been winning hands down.

That's why (some of us) are here, to change that.

Why are you here?

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

"They" want to make US citizens fat? Do you have evidence? Can you provide names of companies and people for precision, instead of only "they" or the "1%". Give us a prosecution that would hold in court. If you can't, then your allegations are essentially useless.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Then I guess no one should really an opinion on just about anything outside of their own personal experience?

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Or he would prevent us from drawing any conclusions about anything at all, asserting that all conclusions based upon a preponderence of evidence are invalid . . . are in fact "conspiracy theories."

Thus none of us would be able to think at all!

This guy is cognitive infiltrator #1 here, and always has been.

[-] -3 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Conspiracy theories by definition mean "theories" arrived at by bad research methods. There's no evidence for 911 Truthers, chemtrails, Bigfoot, deadly fluoride in water, etc... It's all fantasy, and if you believe in that stuff it's because you don't understand science.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Theres no evidence for those who say they are false either.

How many here have done their own soil samples? Done their own research and programs down at ground zero? Spent X amount of days hunting big foot to determine through their own mathematical formula that it couldnt exist?

If thats the baseline to which we should speak on, then none of us has a point for much of anything. We are just uninformed pods sitting by idly hoping that a scientific situation presents itself in front of us, so that we can finally have an opinion on one specific thing.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Theres no evidence for those who say they are false either.

There's no need for that. A person who makes a claim has the burden of proof. It's one of the main tenants of science. You can't prove a negative. If I say that fairies exist it's my job to provide you with evidence, not your job to provide evidence that they don't.

How many here have done their own soil samples? Done their own research and programs down at ground zero? Spent X amount of days hunting big foot to determine through their own mathematical formula that it couldnt exist?

We don't all have to do that. We can read serious scientific journals to see what scientists are finding about the world. You don't need to be a dinosaur researcher to know about dinosaurs. There are museums you can visit with skeletal evidence. Books you can read. Peer reviewed journals you can read. All kinds of photos of microbes, bacteria, etc...

There's no such evidence for BigFoot.

Spent X amount of days hunting big foot to determine through their own mathematical formula that it couldnt exist?

Science is not about determining that something could not exist. That makes no sense. We can't prove negatives. It's about proving that something does exist with evidence.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"Science is not about determining that something could not exist. That makes no sense. We can't prove negatives. It's about proving that something does exist with evidence."

Im not even going to touch that one.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

There's nothing for you to touch. You don't understand logic and science. Negatives cannot be proven, and science never tries to. Science is all about using evidence to demonstrate something that exists.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Heee Hee HEE

You must just hate this:

scientific theory - The Free Dictionary www.thefreedictionary.com/scientific%2Btheory Noun, 1. scientific theory - a theory that explains scientific observations; "scientific theories must be falsifiable". big bang theory, big-bang theory - (cosmology) ...

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Yes, did you miss something? A scientific theory explains something that HAS BEEN OBSERVED! It must also be falsifiable meaning that it needs to make predictions. For example, the Theory of Evolution explains OBSERVED facts like fossil records and animal DNA patterns. It's falsifiable because it makes predictions like what type of ancestors you might expect to find, or that DNA patterns between Apes and Humans are closer than that of Apes and Bananas.

Where does it state in your definition that science tries to explain things that HAVE NOT BEEN OBSERVED like fairies? Where does it state that it's the job of science to disprove that fairies exist?

I think you need to read some serious books my friend. If you haven't finished high-school you can always try night school.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You are against theory. Now you get slapped in the face with it - you are accepting of it. Because a theory is a theory - and is not a fact - even a working theory ( look it up ) - is - just that - a theory - not a fact. But if a theory is proved - then it is no longer a theory.

A scientific theory explains something that HAS BEEN OBSERVED!

Wrong - it is postulated to try and explain what has been observed.

[-] 0 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Wow, you really don't understand science. In science a theory is stronger than facts. A theory is a model that explains many facts all put together. The strongest thing in science is theory. When something is deemed a theory it is essentially deemed proven as much as any scientific finding can be proven. (There is not such thing as absolute truth in science). The Theory of Relativity and the Theory of Evolution are two of the most well established scientific ideas. They have the biggest body of evidence. They both explain many facts.

What you erroneously refer to as a theory is called an hypothesis.

You're essentially illiterate. You know how to spell words, but you don't understand their meanings, so you can't really read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

From the above article:

"Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[3] This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unsubstantiated or speculative."

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by TheLoneWolf (-21) 7 minutes ago

You really are illiterate. Sad.

I have nothing to add on this. You are simply wrong. Check with a scientist. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

All spelled out 4 ya - and U still deny reality.

5 hours - hmmmm - took ya long enough 4 a reply. U just finished pitching a fit?

BTW - R U French Canadian? French being your 1st language? It would help to explain your trouble comprehending the English language. Something not translating for U ?

[-] 0 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

The definitions you posted agree with I was saying all along. Take it here Boy Illiterate. http://occupywallst.org/forum/are-you-illiterate-you-might-be-surprised/

Again, ask a scientist.

A scientific theory is a well established and accepted explanation for a body of facts! It is a higher form of knowledge than facts because it explains them! It is not an assumption! It is backed up by lots of evidence, experimental and observational. It is refutable (falsifiable). A scientific theory is the highest form of scientific knowledge! It is not the same as the meaning of theory in conspiracy theory or other laymen usage of the term.

Don't be afraid to educate yourself, or you'll always remain illiterate.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Lack of comprehension on your part again.

in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]

intended to explain or interpret facts

Did you miss that? intended to explain

That is not verification of fact - it is an attempt to explain what has been observed.

In other words a theory -

Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory Theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for ...

Excerpt:

Theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how nature works, or even how divine or metaphysical matters are thought to work. The word has its roots in ancient Greek, but in modern use it has taken on several different related meanings.


are thought to work

It's almost like saying - Having Faith

Heehehe

By the way - Do you clench your fists and stomp your feet maybe froth at the mouth - when you insist that a theory is not a theory?

Consider: If something were not a theory - it would be something ELSE.

The theory of evolution could just as well be called the study of successful mutations ( better defined? ).

It is no wonder that you get horribly confused about the separation of conspiracy and theory.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

You really are illiterate. Sad.

I have nothing to add on this. You are simply wrong. Check with a scientist.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact ... clarifying the fundamental nature of scientific fact. ... defined by the means and assumptions used to ...

Excerpt:

Fact in science

Further information: scientific method and philosophy of science

Just as in philosophy, the scientific concept of fact sometimes referred to as empirical evidence is central to building scientific theories and fundamental questions regarding the natural phenomena of Nature, scientific method, scope and validity of scientific reasoning.

In the most basic sense, a scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]

Various scholars have offered significant refinements to this basic formulation (details below). Also, rigorous scientific use of the term "fact" is careful to distinguish: 1) states of affairs in the external world; from 2) assertions of fact that may be considered relevant in scientific analysis. The term is used in both senses in the philosophy of science.[21]


In case you missed it:

in contrast with a hypothesis or theory, which is intended to explain or interpret facts.[20]

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

What you have posted confirms what I'm saying. You can't understand because you are illiterate. Theories explain facts. They are a higher form of knowledge. Facts come first, then theories. A person with a theory knows more than a person with a fact.

Talk to a scientist will you. You are embarrassing yourself.

Again, theories in science are the highest form of scientific knowledge. A big step above facts.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In science a theory is stronger than facts

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[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Indeed. A theory explains a whole bunch of facts. It's the highest form of scientific knowledge.

Again, you are illiterate. I suggest you educate yourself instead of writing foolish comments.

Don't you have friends who are scientists? Why not talk with them. You might learn something. Ask them what theories and facts are.

It's a fact than an apple will fall to the ground if dropped. It's also a fact that water doesn't climb up a hill, but will flow down one. The Theory of Gravity explains these facts, and it thus more powerful knowledge. With it you can understand that if you shoot a rocket with enough power it will not fall back to the ground, it will break away from the earth's gravity. You cannot understand this with simple isolated facts. The Theory of Gravity explains many facts, the dropped apple, the river flowing down, but not up, the rocket leaving the earth's gravity field, etc...

Theories come after facts, not before. You don't make facts with theories, you make theories with facts. Theories are a higher form of knowledge.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Please go to ACC and lecture them. I'll gladly admit Im not a scientist, but the one I pm'd your "theories" to just told me to stop spending so much time on the internet.

Where did you go to school to learn all of this?

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

I read. You're still young, that's fine. Enjoy life. Learning is the funnest thing. You're what 18?

As a challenge, you can try to offer me a proof that fairies do not exist. If you believe they exist, then choose something else you don't think exists and try submitting a solid proof, or at least some evidence. If you're honest with yourself, you'll quickly realize it's impossible.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I was thinking more along the lines of maybe, like there is no chlorine in this drink I am drinking. I'll do a scientific test. Maybe its there, maybe its not. Only science will know.

Im glad we have people in the world that create theories.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

That is not the same as what you were saying earlier for two reasons:

1) You know that chlorine exists, so there are some tests to find it.
2) You are limited to a small area of search.

Sure, I can prove there is no Big Foot in my house if I use your second point (very limited area of search). It's a very different thing to prove that Big Foots don't exist on earth, or the entire universe.

Could you prove that Piamorhine Dioxyde doesn't exist in your drink. It's something I made up. But, your job is to prove it doesn't exist. No one has ever observed it so we don't know what to look for.

Science had to observe, identify, and clearly label the HIV virus before tests were made to discern it in someone's blood. Similarly, you're going to have to observe, identify, and clearly label Big Foots before we can make tests to decide whether they live somewhere or not.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You're a trip man. I can see you getting makeup done and lecturing people on yettis :)

First off, drop the "conspiracy"...its all just theories. The problem is, theres no way for any of em to test em.

Im glad scientists have access to the means to test. I think if the people making some of the theories you dont like had the means to go all the way with it, you would be willin to accept it. Probably not surprised, but at least willing.

In the meantime, its just people making assumptions based on trends and human nature.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

You're confused. In science, for something to be a theory it needs to be extremely well tested. Theory is the highest form of scientific knowledge. Without tests and something that can be falsifiable you only have an hypothesis.

Conspiracy theories are not theories like in science. They don't even come close. They are not based on science at all. They don't use the scientific method. They are outlandish hypothesis with no evidence of any kind to back them up. They are constructed with logical fallacies like quote mining, etc...

In the meantime, its just people making assumptions based on trends and human nature.

Right. Conspiracy theories are just assumptions. Nothing more. Assumptions that have no evidence to back them up. They are essentially fantasies. Useless garbage. We shouldn't even talk about assumptions until they lead to hypothesis than tests and finally theories. Scientists don't bug the public with assumptions. They start talking about they have accumulated some evidence. Serious journalists are the same. The don't just guess and assume when they write stories. They do actual research to back up their claims.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Smart people follow the scientific consensus. For example, a smart person would trust the scientific community in what they have to say about Global Warming. They are able to realize that if 99% of scientists agree and share articles in peer reviewed journals it counts more than the 1% who write articles on blogs.

Smart people are able to easily recognize common logical fallacies. That's why they are not tricked by lame videos from conspiracy theorists.

Smart people know where to put their money. They can tell a quack from a serious researcher.

You don't need to know everything about biology to be able to look up a fact. I can listen to a biologist talk about evolution. I can understand that he is using strong arguments. If i want, I can research it further in peer reviewed journals. When I listen to a creationist it takes 2 seconds to realize he's using nothing but logical fallacies.

As for 9/11, the government's explanation is so much more logical than those of nonsensical Truthers who keep putting their feet in their mouths with bad "research" and "logic".

A person who believes in conspiracy theories is just plain dumb. It means he or she can't understand the meaning of evidence, and doesn't understand logical fallacies.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"a smart person would trust"

Trust has nothing to do with science. When people are basing their scientific knowledge on things that are too complex for them to formulate, then they are now just playing the same game that the conspiracy theorists are.

Scientists work their way up their field, and are able to build off of past accomplishments and test them if needed. The people are simply going off of what someone tells them.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

You're a solipsist and it's saddening. To paint real scientists with the same brush as conspiracy theories shows your lack of judgment, rationality, and logic. There's not much else I can say. Read a good book. Read peer reviewed journals.

Scientists are heroes discovering something new about the world every day.

Conspiracy theories are time wasters and idiots. They don't know the first thing about proper research.


Science leads to real applications. That's the bread and butter. We can fly planes, buy coffee makers, use knives, etc... all because of science.

Conspiracy theories don't lead to applications. Religions don't either. Both lead to nowhere. Just lame fantasies. I'd rather read a good fiction author for that.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

Hamlet, to the gravedigger . . .

How absolute the knave is! we must speak by the card, or equivocation will undo us.-- William Shakespeare (1564-1616), Hamlet-- Act v, Sc. 1

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I had this conversation with someone the other night.

IMO, basically, the rise in the "conspiracy theorists" is due to the rapid information age in which young people are now able to gather boatloads of information on all the sick ass shit this government has done.

From the Gulf of tonkin to the WMD lies of Iraq, to testing diseases on humans to all sorts of other very messed up stuff. Eventually, when someone is lied to enough, they dont believe anything anymore.

People are naturally trying to make sense, in their own heads, of what is going on around them.

[-] 3 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

Thanks for the props on the other thread. I thought you made a valid point here. I often thought that the reason Marijuana is considered a gate way drug is because the government chose to label marijuana a schedule one drug. Once a child smokes marijuana and sees that it is not as bad as the critics professed, they are more likely to disregard the rightful criticism of the other drugs in that classification. The boy who called wolf eventually fucks his credibility up.

But I would add that conspiracy theories are a natural by product of the first amendment. Some of the lies that private people spew are more nefarious than the ones government propagandists could ever create.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Its kind of like hearing a spouse state they are working late every night, and while the bills still are still not being paid.

Then you come home and walk into an orgy. Probably going to start wondering what else was a lie haha.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

It's more complicated than that. If Americans had basic education, they wouldn't fall for failed explanations. They could still try to explain certain things to themselves, but they would do so with proper research methods. Nowadays, Americans believe anything that someone says if it is slanted against the government.

If you say something that's against the government it will be deemed 100% true, if you say something for the government it will be 100% doubted.

Even people who seem intelligent are tricked by conspiracy theorists and theories. Nobody cares for evidence anymore. It's horrible.

Americans have killed reality. They are deluded and living in a fantasy life.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Americans have killed reality.

Really?

You place the blame wrongly.

It is corpoRATions that deserve your derision.

[-] 0 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

No. Americans themselves are responsible. They dispel conspiracy theories all over the place. On Twitter, Facebook, etc... On this very site.

We need to take responsibilities for our actions. Let's stop blaming THEY, the government, the corpoRATions. That's just too easy.

Name names. Which corporation do you think should be blamed for producing and/or sharing conspiracy theories? Which government, etc...

Stop hiding behing general terms. It leads nowhere. That's exactly the type of framing that conspiracy theorists use. They they they. It's all they.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It is not a theory - if it is happening - then it is a conspiracy.

See how that works?

MSM non-coverage of Occupy in the USA.

Theory? No! Fact = conspiracy.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Learn what the expression conspiracy theory means, then come back and play with the adults. Hint. It's an expression. It doesn't literally mean conspiracy + theory, just like the expression hot dog doesn't literally mean hot + dog.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

As you are having comprehension difficulty - again and always. A repeat is in order ( find someone who can splain it 2 U ):

It is not a theory - if it is happening - then it is a conspiracy.

See how that works?

MSM non-coverage of Occupy in the USA.

Theory?

No!

Fact = conspiracy.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Facepalm. Learn what conspiracy theory means. It's an expression. You don't know what it means. Open a dictionary. Conspiracy theories are always false by definition. They indicate a flawed research methodology. Antonyms would be journalistic research or historical analysis both proper forms of research.

You cannot discover the truth with a conspiracy theory (by definition). You can uncover a real conspiracy with journalistic research however.

Read the works of scholars once in awhile.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I can't help it if U R stuck on stupid.

As you are having comprehension difficulty - again and always. A repeat is in order ( find someone who can splain it 2 U ):

It is not a theory - if it is happening - then it is a conspiracy.

See how that works?

MSM non-coverage of Occupy in the USA.

Theory?

No!

Fact = conspiracy.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

I saw a lot of Occupy coverage on TV, on the net, etc... I still read articles from time to time. What do you watch? Only FOX news? Read the New-York times or something.

Stop blamiing "THEM". Take responsibility. If people don't use this site it's because of people like you bashing everyone with a different idea instead of using proper debating strategies.

Occupy is healthy. It exists on the streets. Not here though. And that's because of users like you, not because of the secret "THEM".

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

on the net,

As usual/perpetual - U R stuck on stupid.

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

I pay a fee to read good magazines online. Not everything that is on the net is lame. New-York times is there, Huffington Post, and a lot of other good publications. I even have access to some scientific journals. You can read nature in full if you have a membership.

Are you dumb or something? Why are you always confrontational, especially since you have very little of value to add to discussions?

BTW - If you're dumb that's fine. I'm just asking. Nothing wrong with being dumb. There's all kinds of people out there and we must respect them all.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

MSM non-coverage of Occupy in the USA.

Above is Part of the comment U replied to - with the disconnect of -

"I saw a lot of Occupy coverage on TV, on the net, etc..."

U R in Canada. Ur main stream TV experience is not the same. U R still stuck on stupid.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Not everyone has cable or satellite - the shit is expensive.

I never said everyone did. But you assumed I didn't. Don't talk through your hat. If you don't know something about me just ask. Stop making up stories. You know I don't like nonsensical types of thinking. Use logic. Use evidence.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

You never heard of satellite? I get all the US TV shows.

When's the last time you left your house? 1980?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You never heard of satellite? I get all the US TV shows.

Not everyone has cable or satellite - the shit is expensive.

When's the last time you left your house? 1980?

Yesterday. U ???

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/no-more-conspiracy-theory-nonsense-or-libertarian-/

Not a word from that notorious anti-conspiracy theory guy.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Chasing his ( it's ? ) own tail/tale at the moment.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

He never did chase the actual conspiracy theorists around here.

He just chased reneye around.

He'd never heard of Alex Jones, or prisonplanet.

He was full of shit, and likely still is.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

He was full of shit, and likely still is.

Yep - piled high and stinky.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

it's piling high below too.

Not surprising in the least.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28495) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - still trying to ply it's toxic BS.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Here's rabid OWSer Immortal Technique interview on AJ that you may enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj1qQfab_eM

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I'm sorry, but I don't give AJ as you call him the time of day, and considering all the links I've provided for you from ACTUAL OWS sources that you completely ignore, I'm sure not going start at your behest.

I don't find you particularly honest......on ANY level.

So you just go have fun with your ALEC and Koch lovin' self, that is apparently pretending to be the second( third or fourth, or fifth?) coming of trashy.

It always amazed me that he never noticed your penchant for conspiracy theory anyway.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

haha. You are a trip.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Nice to know your quite high, however, I had nothing to do with it.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I wouldnt expect you to be.

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You're right that most are misguided in their direction. But I guess at least they have woken up to the propaganda machine which is the "land of the free"...maybe that is the silver lining in the whole thing.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

There's no silver lining in conspiracy theories. They don't wake people up, they put them fast asleep into a land of fantasy and dreams. Next time you talk to a conspiracy theorist notice how out of reality they are. They haven't been awoken. They have been drugged into a world of delusions.

[-] 0 points by RoccoXXX (8) 1 year ago

The disinformation is so massive that people have trouble separating fact from fiction. And you have added to the disinformation by mixing fact and fiction. You simply dump on the table what you think is fiction knowing full well that there is evidence to support some of the issues you consider 'conspiracy delusion'. You have played well on behalf of all those who would keep the US citizen very very naive and therefore very very controllable.

[-] -2 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

What part is supported by real evidence? I'm not talking about what nonsensical conspiracy theorists consider evidence, but real scientific evidence.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

There isnt much scientific evidence for most sides of most of those things.

And people's ability to use science is determined by their ability to get their hands on the tools to do the job.

Like with 9/11...Show me the scientific evidence that you have that the government has NOTHING to do with it. Chances are you are going off of others information, just as the conspiracy theorists are.

[-] 0 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

That's entirely different. I never said the US government had nothing to do with it. I don't make claims or accusations without proof. Conspiracy theorists do. It's one thing to say something happened a certain way, and quite another to say there's not enough information to know. 911 Truthers don't say there is not enough information to know and no way to get their hands on the evidence. They say the government did it. They are idiots. Fantasists. Bonkers. Just losers of the most lame kind.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Right, and we really dont have enough information to make an educated decisions about much of anything with the government.

So people will either go what is spoon fed to them, create their own solutions, or do what the majority do and say fuck it, who cares.

[-] 0 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

The problem is, the majority is not doing fuck it who cares. They are making up fantasies which end up blurring reality. If you say, I can't know, or I don't know, then you are better off. At least you might be able to know one day when more information comes out. At least you don't blur reality. Instead, Americans love to watch Alex Jones and fantasize. Conspiracy theories are becoming more prominent, not less. It's the most dangerous thing in America right now. Way more dangerous than terrorism. Conspiracy theories are slowly destroying reality for Americans. Soon, you guys will all be living in a delusional dream.

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[-] 0 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 1 year ago

I don't think the problem is that "Americans are becoming dumber" I do however think the problem is that there is so much information out there that they read they can't sort truth from facts.

When you have younger people who are healthy drinking "shock drinks" thinking they need more energy that's a problem.

They are continually being bombarded with commercials making them think that what is being advertised will solve their "I want it all and I want it all now" ills.

Dumb is when young people spend $500 on a Apple I-phone and 5 months later buy another one at a higher price because they are sold on the idea that it is 500 milliseconds faster - now that's dumb.

It all goes back to "look at me, I am important because my i-phone is 500 milliseconds faster then yours".

[-] -1 points by TheLoneWolf (-103) 1 year ago

Nah, I think Americans are just plain dumb when compared to other nationalities. Most people here are Americans, and most are dumb beyond belief. DKAToday and shooz are good examples.

[-] 1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 1 year ago

Well, I don't disagree with you about most Americans, especially the X, Y and melinimum generations being "uninformed".

I think there may be hope though, 70% fall into that category and the remaining 30% are responsible and upstanding citizens.

So, just maybe it will be the 30% who will get this country turned around. After all they will be in charge in around 30 or so years.

Lets hope that's all we can do.