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Forum Post: Apathy of 99% is Harder to Beat than Financial Reform of 1%

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 28, 2011, 6:50 a.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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You see, if OWS had clear positions, and wanted to organize politically, and had the majority backing, this is what would happen:

-sweeping victories in 2012

  • lots of reforms passed
  • mission complete

Why does this never happen? Apathy. The 99% is too apathetic to do anything. Life is still too cozy for them. As long as there is unemployement checks, food stamps, medicaid/care, and SS, there is no reason to get involved- all the basics are taken care of.

Those things will disapear soon, and when it does, the apathetic 99% is going to wonder what happened.

Most in OWS are still fine voting for the D/R Duopoly. That is about as far from revolution as you can get.



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[-] 2 points by Algee (182) 12 years ago

This is only the beginning guys, this organization is still in its infancy. It also takes its inspiration from many differing influences and ideals. This is not just some political platform where people all aly under a single set of ideas. Besides one question comes to my mind, why do people still think that this group has no clear cut goals? This is just some weak argument used by the other political groups and their media groups to turn away the people's attention from the OWS's complaints. We need to continue and further encourage these forum talks and engage with different ideologies. It is through this method of communication that we will come to concensus with the people on how to deal with the many and varied problems this world needs to deal with and repair.


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

In your opinion, what are three goals of OWS?

[-] 1 points by tatewaki (5) from Lauderhill, FL 12 years ago

1) end corporate corruption 2) end the stranglehold that the 1% has on the political process 3) make life better for everyone, not just the privileged few

just my take on it. there are many paths to Occupy's goals, and as long as you're looking for something simple to absorb, you're going to continue thinking "they have no goal hurr durr".

Which is sad, considering how things are going for the country lately. I guess I just don't understand why anyone would try to beat down any group trying to effect true change for the better.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Those are overly broad goals, similar to me saying my new years resolution is "a better life". Intelligent people want intelligent solutions.

Im not trying to take it down, but I know plenty of adults who are sick of the nonsense of central banking and politicians, but dont see any intelligetn solutions to the problems coming from not just OWS, but congress or anyone else for that matter.

Intelligent solutions to complex problems is how you gain following on economic matters. This isnt as simple as previous social movements, who want certain legislation to level the playing field.

This is massive economic reform we are asking for, and hence need to be able to speak to those who do understand economics.

[-] 1 points by Algee (182) 12 years ago
  1. Greater equality of opportunities (meritocracy)
  2. Greater equality of poilitical power for individuals (money should not be in politics)
  3. Focusing the American economy to benefit all American citizens, bring back jobs to the US and turn away from the "all consuming" society to a more sustainable one.
[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Again, way too broad. Like me saying for new years "I want a better life!". Well, what has made is so bad, and what are you planning on specifically doing to make it better?

It sounds great, but anyone who has been down the road before and knows what it takes, will look at something that broad as youthful exuberance and hence not serious enough to obtain the end goal.

That being said, do you think the lack of specifics is due to the youthfulness of the movement?

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

You cant force a revolution, the people either want it or they dont.

And if people are really considering voting for Obama or Romney, then they arent ready.

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 12 years ago

It is not a revolution. We are trying to fix the problem, which is banking greed. To do this, we must identify bank executives and send them to jail where they belong. It is not just the CEOs, but many under them also. There are a lot of evil men and women out there. Let us bring them all, all of them to justice.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 12 years ago

And lets not forget they are all "Americans". What does that tell you about our society?

[-] 1 points by OccupyLink (529) 12 years ago

Not sure they are all Americans. I doubt it somehow. The banking criminals come from all sorts of countries, many religions, but are mainly white and are male.

[-] 1 points by jomojo (562) 12 years ago

Recruiting passengers requires informing them of the destination and the boarding fee. It's helpful if it's a shiny new vehicle.


[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 12 years ago

right on - i like the the quotes - eccles was quite a guy - have you read "secrets of the temple" - he has a really good section on eccles


[-] 0 points by stinkyhippy (-6) 12 years ago

Are you people still around? How's that working out for you?