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Forum Post: Another Stand Your Ground Case?

Posted 5 years ago on July 21, 2013, 8:55 p.m. EST by TikiJ (-38)
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Did this woman have the right to pull the trigger?

At what point does the need to "retreat" or "stand your ground" take place.

We can all think of situation that are appropriate for either. Sometimes people could retreat, and instead get aggressive. Other times, people have the right to defend themselves, dont, and then become a victim.

So who really gets affected by SYG? We have all seen the stats on it.

Who does it affect? At what point are YOU willing to stand up for yourself? At what point does a situation that you could walk away from change from walking away to realizing that walking away is not going to stop that person?

When do you call the police? Do you have a phone at all?

What do you do if someone has put their hands on you? How do you konw who is who? Who is the MMA guy? And who is the guy with just a big mouth?

Who is the one that makes it out? Whose word counts? Who has the best lawyers? Who gets the money? What is the charge, and who is prosecuting the case?

Lots of questions.

And yet the overhwelming, overarching trait is STILL not being discussed.....

Why are we so FUCKING VIOLENT?

Why do major cities like NYC, Chicago and Detriot turn into such dangerous areas? What is causing this? Now and before? What happened? Did it always look like this? If not, what changed?


Woman ambushed by police in her own home: http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130718/COLUMNIST/130719612/2256?template=printpicart



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[-] 1 points by Narley (272) 5 years ago

I understand this thread is intended to provoke discussion more than get the specific answers to the questions. However, For people who legally carry a gun, as I sometime do, the specific answers are important. Deciding what to do ahead of time may make the difference between being convicted or murder or being a murder victim. So, specifically for me, this is what I’ve decided.

  1. Even though I live in a stand-your-ground State I will not stand my ground. If I have the chance to retreat, escape or even defuse the situation I will do so. I will only use my weapon if I truly feel my life or safety is in imminent danger. However, I won’t hesitate to use deadly force if I think it necessary to protect my life.
  2. I will never shoot anyone over a property crime, even though I can legally do so in my State.
  3. I will not shoot someone for trash talking type threats. For instance, shooting someone threatening to kick my ass while so drunk he can’t stand up doesn’t deserve to get shot. I’ll just walk away.
  4. As much as possible I’ll stay away from areas and places with reputations for violence. Bars, events that draw the wrong type crowd and so on.
  5. I will never display or tell people I have a gun. Some people are uncomfortable around guns. Plus the element of surprise if I do have to use my weapon is important.

I’m sure there’s other things I should add, but the decisions above save time and indecision when time matters.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago

True, indecision is the worst thing in those situations by far.

[-] 1 points by RadBrad (12) 5 years ago

The police fucked the operation up.

[-] 1 points by PortugueseExplorer (10) 5 years ago

It's not that "we're" more violent; this is one of the most compassionate cultures in the world in the sense that we have very high tolerance for difference, indifference, and poor behavior. If that were not true organizations such as Occupy would not exist. But we have a lot of real animals out there; they are inhuman, and as your link clearly shows, a lot of cops who are not policemen.

Why are those so inhumane empowered? Well, that's a very good question.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow6 (-5) from Jersey City, NJ 5 years ago

Are you serious - the younger generation have no "coping skills" and as a result when confronted with a problem they can't solve they become violent.

Think maybe that's because of a "one parent" or "no parent" family for younger kids?


[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago

The ones with two parents are just as bad, especially the upper middle class because they have been paying other people to do all the things around the house that kids usually help out with.

Why have junior mow the lawn and teach him work and reward when you can pay someone else $20 and not have to worry about it.

Your generation has done the most bang up job of raising kids the planet has ever seen.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow6 (-5) from Jersey City, NJ 5 years ago

At least the ones with "two parent" household are far better off those those with "one parent or no parent" households. Now that is not to say that children from those households will not be successful but the odds are against them.

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago

Oops, just attached link.

Go ahead and repeal SYG. It might lead to a few more people not getting away with it, but its not going to do anything, and let me repeat- NOTHING about the murders themselves.

This entire discussion is being driven the way the media wants it to be - towards the role of the state and what you may want THEM to do about it.

The discussion is not about the state. The discussion is about us. You and me. Not them, they are sickos. They capitalize on these things.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago
[-] -2 points by Tsler (-10) 5 years ago

My personal feeling is that many in media are misinterpreting the meaning of "retreat." It is not intended as a strategic withdrawal, merely to state that all other possibilities must be exhausted. The reality is that we all have presence, we occupy real space, whether that is defined as a square foot or a square meter, which all must either physically defend or cease to exist.