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Forum Post: Another Government Is Necessary: The People Can Rule Better Than the Elites

Posted 11 years ago on May 1, 2013, 6:54 p.m. EST by LeoYo (5909)
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Another Government Is Necessary: The People Can Rule Better Than the Elites

Tuesday, 30 April 2013 20:40 By Margaret Flowers and Kevin Zeese, Truthout | Op-Ed




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[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 11 years ago

Wow! Now this is my kind of thread!!! Could this be the beneficent inception of a 'People's Society'?

Thanks, LeoYo!

Too many good excerpts to choose from!!

~"The people could rule better than the elites, and that is why it is time for the people to take matters into our own hands. As cabinet member Christopher Cox explained on the day of the announcement, "There is no time for slow incremental change." Cox also affirmed that "We have the possibility of addressing these issues at the level of humanity." The Cabinet is not waiting, but is taking action now to encourage people to build a government that is really of, by and for the people." ~

One concern, though; They want to try and work with the Federal Reserve, which seems a rather hopeless endeavor. But there is so much good being done in the other areas.

Ahhh...blissful contemplation.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

I'm lately wondering why we call inbred old fascists "elites" ???

They are actively involved in both underhanded and illegal practises, so we really should call them for what they are; fascist criminal aresholes.

[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 11 years ago

You know...you just unraveled one of our cognitive indoctrinations, Builder!

I usually catch them...I must be slipping! Lol!

I'm envious. ~.^

I must now come up with one word descriptive enough that it will encompass 'inbred', 'old' and 'fascists', that we can universally call them instead of 'elites'. Hmmmm.

[-] 4 points by LeoYo (5909) 11 years ago

Fascists already simply describes them as the merger of corporation and state in the interests of the elites is their ongoing objective.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 11 years ago

Yes it does...but I must meld it with something fiendish...ogre-like. It is quite simply, in my nature to do so. ~.^

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

Hmmm, I'm assuming most of them are a penny short of the pound (borderline insane). Hope that helps, Renneye.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 11 years ago


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

I was heading down the "dodderaire" path, myself, or geezergarchs.

It's a tough call. I picture the old pair in Trading Places. Eddie Murphy movie.

[-] 1 points by Renneye (3874) 11 years ago

Hahahahah! I grant you this...yours are much more creative and fun than mine!

But the new term has to be usable in political discussion!!

Geezergarchs! Honestly! Lolol!

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

It was during my pre-dawn coffee that I thought of that one.

Preeze forgive me. ;-)

I know not what I do sometimes.

[-] 2 points by Renneye (3874) 11 years ago

Hahahah! You know, I wanna quarrel with you. ~.^

But dammit, the way you said that is just...too irresistible.

Oh ok, ok...I forgive you. <Pout>

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 11 years ago

If they weren't elites, they wouldn't be able to get away with being criminals.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

The courts certainly favour the wealthy.

No doubt. Same applies in Australia.

Many "lesser" crimes are being earmarked for on-the-spot fines, rather than tying up the expensive court process with our menial cases.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Example of Democide in action.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

I'm still researching that term, DK.

We are in the starting phase of "slash and burn" economics. The public has already voiced concern about privatising all the assetts, so the gov is saying they'll lease them instead. Fifty year leases mean just the same result for us.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

"slash and burn"

Good way to put it.

In compliment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA5OdAlSa0U

This tired city was somebody's dream A billboard horizon as black as they seem A four level highway across the land We're building a home for the family of man

Prices are rising The devil to pay, Moving the mountain that got in the way, Prayer books and meetings define the plan, deciding the fate of the family of man,

And it's so hard whatever are we coming to, Yes it's so hard with so little time, And so much to do

Memories replacing the loves that are lost Burning our bridges as soon as they're crossed Factories built where the rivers ran And time running out for the family of man

So hard,,,

So hard, so hard, so hard, family of man, so hard, family of man, so hard, family of man,so hard, family of man,so hard family of man,,,

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23782) 11 years ago

Jill Stein's sensible platform:


Very interesting post, thanks.

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

Thanks BW, I'll look into that more intently later.

I wonder why Jill got locked up. (not really, she scares the pants of these old hacks)

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23782) 11 years ago

Everything she says makes too much sense for the 99% to ignore. It's only people who want to maintain the exploitation of the earth and the 99%, and the wars, who don't want to listen

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 11 years ago

direct democracy guided by technocracy. best solution.

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5909) 11 years ago

The Lesson of WMDs: Obama and US Military Divided Over Syria

Wednesday, 01 May 2013 11:54 By Shamus Cooke, Counterpunch | News Analysis


Has Syria crossed the “red line” that warrants a U.S. military invasion? Has it not? The political establishment in the United States seems at odds over itself. Obama’s government cannot speak with one voice on the issue, and the U.S. media is likewise spewing from both sides of its mouth in an attempt to reconcile U.S. foreign policy with that most stubborn of annoyances, truth.

The New York Times reports:

“The White House said on Thursday that American intelligence agencies now believed, with “varying degrees of confidence,” that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons…”

Immediately afterwards, Obama’s Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, gave a blunt rebuke: “Suspicions are one thing; evidence is another.”

This disunity mirrored the recent disagreement that Chuck Hagel had with Obama’s Secretary of State, John Kerry, when both testified in front of Congress with nearly opposite versions of what was happening in Syria and how the U.S. should respond. Kerry was a cheerleader for intervention while Hagel — the military’s mouthpiece — advised caution.

The U.S. government’s internal squabbling over whether the Syrian government used chemical weapons is really an argument on whether the U.S. should invade Syria, since Obama claimed that any use of chemical weapons was a “red line” that, if crossed, would invoke an American military response. Never mind that Obama’s “red line” rhetoric was stolen from the mouth of Bush Jr., who enjoyed saying all kinds of similarly stupid things to sound tough.

But now Obama’s Bushism must be enforced, say the politicians, less the U.S. look weak by inaction. This seemingly childish argument is in fact very compelling among the U.S. political establishment, who view foreign policy only in terms of military power. If Syria is not frightened into submission by U.S. military threats, then Iran and other countries might follow suit and do as they please and U.S. “influence” would wane. Only a “firm response” can stop this domino effect from starting.

This type of logic is the basis for the recent Syria chemical weapons accusations, which was conjured up by the U.S. “Intelligence” service (CIA) and its British and Israeli counterparts (the same people who “proved” that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction, which later proved to be a fabricated lie). All three of these countries’ intelligence agencies simply announced that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons, provided zero evidence, and then let their respective nations’ media run with the story, which referred to the baseless accusations as “mounting evidence.”

In the real world it appears that the U.S.-backed Syrian rebels are the ones responsible for having used chemical weapons against the Syrian government. It was the Syrian government who initially accused the U.S.-backed rebels of using chemical weapons, and asked the UN to investigate the attack. This triggered the Syrian rebels and later the Obama administration to accuse the Syrian government of the attack.

A very revealing New York Times article quoted U.S.-backed Syrian rebels admitting that the chemical weapons attack took place in a Syrian government controlled territory and that 16 Syrian government soldiers died as a result of the attack, along with 10 civilians plus a hundred more injured. But the rebels later made the absurd claim that the Syrian government accidentally bombed its own military with the chemical weapons.

Interestingly, the Russian government later accused the United States of trying to stall the UN investigation requested by the Syrian government, by insisting that the parameters of the investigation be expanded to such a degree that a never-ending discussion over jurisdiction and rules would eventually abort the investigation. Complicating the U.S.’ stumbling march to war against Syria is the fact that the only effective U.S.-backed rebel forces are Islamist extremists, the best fighters of which have sworn allegiance to Al-Qaeda. The same week that the U.S. media was screaming about chemical weapons, The NewYork Times actually published a realistic picture of the U.S.-backed Syrian rebels, which warrants extended quotes:

“Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.”

“Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.”

“The Islamist character of the [rebel] opposition reflects the main constituency of the rebellion…The religious agenda of the combatants sets them apart from many civilian activists, protesters and aid workers who had hoped the uprising would create a civil, democratic Syria.”

Thus, yet another secular Middle Eastern government — after Iraq and Libya — is being pushed into the abyss of Islamist extremism, and the shoving is being done by the United States, which The NewYork Times discovered was funneling thousands of tons of weapons into Syria through U.S. allies in the region, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. We now know that these weapons were given to the Islamist extremists; directly or indirectly, it doesn’t matter.

Even after this U.S.-organized weapons trafficking was uncovered, the Obama administration still has the nerve to say that the U.S. is only supplying “non lethal” aid to the Syrian rebels. Never mind that many of the guns that the U.S. is transporting into Syria from its allies were sold to the allies by the United States, where the weapons were manufactured.

Now, many politicians are demanding that Obama institute a “no fly zone” in Syria, a euphemism for military invasion — one country cannot enforce a no fly zone inside another country without first destroying the enemy Air Force, not to mention its surface to air missiles, etc. We saw in Libya that a no fly zone quickly evolved into a full scale invasion, which would happen again in Syria, with the difference being that Syria has a more powerful army with more sophisticated weaponry, not to mention powerful allies — Iran and Russia.

This is the real reason that the U.S. military is not aligned with the Obama administration over Syria. Such a war would be incredibly risky, and inevitably lead to a wider conflict that would engulf an already war-drenched region, creating yet more “terrorists” who would like to attack the United States.

The U.S. public has learned the lessons of Iraq’s WMD’s, and that lesson is not lost on U.S. soldiers, few of whom want to fight another war for oil against a country which is a zero-threat to the United States.

This piece was reprinted by Truthout with permission or license.