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Forum Post: Another Day, Another Poisoned River

Posted 8 months ago on Feb. 6, 2014, 11:12 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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" Williams, a program manager with the Dan River Basin Association, worried that the extent of the damage might not be fully understood for years.

"How do you clean this up?" he said, shaking his head as he churned up the ash with his paddle. "Dredge the whole river bottom for miles? You can't clean this up. It's going to go up the food chain, from the filter feeders, to the fish, to the otters and birds and people. Everything in the ecosystem of a river is connected."

Environmental regulators in North Carolina say they are still awaiting test results to determine if there is any hazard to people or wildlife. Coal ash is known to contain a witch's brew of toxic chemicals, including lead, arsenic, mercury and radioactive uranium."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/coal-ash-spill-nc-river-contained-22384415

Can we get a little effective regulation here, please?

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[-] 7 points by Nevada1 (4784) 8 months ago

Another day, another Sacrifice Zone.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 months ago

The picture of lake Mead down to 39%, very telling.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 2 months ago

Meanwhile Cali, & Wash state are burning their way into extensions of our western deserts.

There are now water/waste police in California.

The situation is desperate.

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[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4784) 2 months ago

Kochs---- Acquire Wealth as fast as possible, while creating worldwide Kill Mechanism.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 months ago

[ edit ] Death by Greed - as always - it's - you 1st - the greedy will follow.

edit-> One of the very few times you will ever find the greedy moving towards the back of any line.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4784) 4 months ago

Good Point----Signed

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

You're the best.

[-] 6 points by Nevada1 (4784) 4 months ago

SIGNED------Thank you 99nproud.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

No! no! Thank you, Nevada number One.

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 3 months ago

Chesapeake bay cleanup progress:

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/264426931.html#0fzVMSErXXCotMLC.97

One inadequate attempt after another for 3 decades has not stopped the destruction of this critical waterway.

Support real cleanup!

Fyi

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

That is good news.

Hopeful idea.:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/05/28-7

abump

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4784) 4 months ago

Yes, good news. We must continue to apply pressure, as every bit helps.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

Hope for rivers, and climate.

http://blueandgreentomorrow.com/2014/06/02/reducing-river-pollution-could-offset-some-climate-change-impacts/

Work & sacrifice required for real progress

fyi, & a bump

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 months ago

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/23/3428984/canada-war-on-environmentalists/

When the truth is plain to see, those who look will be blinded.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Learn about fracking - and - THEN - Stop it - however you can - STOP IT - REFUSE ANY SUPPORT - silent or otherwise!!! Learn - it is so very poisonous: http://nofracking.com/

Click here to add your name to this petition, and then pass it along to your friends.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4784) 4 months ago

Signed

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Thanks N1 - I can always count on you to see and then keep a good effort alive = http://www.moveon.org/r/?r=298478&id=96436-23748677-gKsw8Dx&t=2

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

Another Day, Another Poisoned River - and Yet - WHY ??? :

Hydrogen; Nature's Fuel

One major problem with this video - IS - that it promotes the continuation of the use of fossil fuel for the production of hydrogen. WTF? Lets can fossil fuel completely and go straight to water conversion for our hydrogen needs/use.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4784) 4 months ago

Thank you DKA for link. Yes, we can end fossil fuel.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

It is so sad to see all of the viable alternatives/replacements to fossil fuel and find that they are just being toyed with. I tweeted the link and hope others will also. There is "NO" time to lose/waste.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 months ago

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/13/3448678/freedom-industries-spills-again/

What's a little more pollution among protected friends?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 months ago

[ EDIT ] Insanity inaction - no - in action - no - inaction - no - in action - it's insane!!!

EDIT-> Further:

https://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1035041

https://occupywallst.org/article/climate-change-real/#comment-1035119

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 months ago

The Ohio River, once again.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/09/3436191/oil-spill-lubricant-ohio/

No wonder they like to say there is no right to potable water.

They prefer the right to polluted water.

[-] 3 points by nazihunter (215) 4 months ago

The Christian right couldn't possibly agree with this. It says God gave us the garden and the water right in the Bible, more than once even. I even recall the song "This Land Is Your Land" sung in church on more than one occasion. Rockefeller went to church once. Didn't he? Not the granddaddy. He looks like Satan for sure.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Libe(R)topians are Worldwide.

I've been trying to say.

Oh, and that place even "gifted" the world with it's philosophy.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

As a busted pipe at a Duke Energy power plant continues to leak arsenic and lead-laden coal ash into the Dan River that flows through North Carolina and Virginia, residents are demanding that energy giants stop pumping their waterways with poison.

“Any coal ash dump next to a river or lake is a ticking time bomb, and Duke has lost all credibility when it says it’s responsible to hold the fuse,” Greenpeace Charlotte organizer Monica Embrey said while protesting outside of Duke Energy's headquarters in Charlotte, North Carolina on Thursday along with dozens others. “Duke should clean up its mess in the Dan River and make sure that Charlotte isn’t next.”

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/06-3

[-] 1 points by Shule (2030) 5 months ago

Come on now. Just because coal ash has elements within it that are known to cause cancer in the State of California, doesn't mean that coal ash causes cancer. Neither do Cigarettes just because they contain tar and nicotine; Right? Besides unless you're in California, you're not going to get cancer from coal ash according to the law....

[-] 1 points by Shule (2030) 5 months ago

I'm trying, but Rush Limbaugh is telling me it's ok.....to suck on cigarettes, and snort a little coal ash...the Corporate Quislings in the government are telling me it even healthy for the (their) economy....I mean like there is no oil that was ever spilled in the Gulf of Mexico. Right?

[-] -3 points by Shule (2030) 4 months ago

CO2 is good for you. It makes plants grow...... Don't believe the UN and its World Meteorological Organization. They're a liberal front organization. Don't believe all them world scientists, trust me instead 'cause I'm your friendly internet blogger. Say, I got this good deal on this bridge in Brooklyn you might like to by....

[-] 0 points by Shule (2030) 4 months ago

Petition signed. Wow, these industry lobbists got pscyho-balls to propose something that brash.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

In fact they just don't give a shit about anything but their profit.

Bastards.

[-] 1 points by nazihunter (215) 4 months ago

You mean it's not good? So much for my home schooling on Fox TV.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2030) 4 months ago

After home school comes home work.

[-] 1 points by Shule (2030) 4 months ago

Like flush Rush down the Dan River...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

As long as we flush hateful Rush away.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

It makes so easy and profitable, when Pope owns your State.

"North Carolina regulators on Thursday cited Duke Energy for illegally and deliberately dumping 61 million gallons of toxic coal ash waste into a tributary of the Cape Fear River, which provides drinking water for several cities and towns in the state.

The incident marks the eighth time in less than a month that the company has been accused of violating environmental regulations. The North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) said Duke — notorious for the February Dan River disaster which saw 82,000 tons of coal ash released into state waters — was taking bright blue wastewater from two of its coal ash impoundments and running it through hoses into a nearby canal and drain pipe."

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/21/3417387/coal-ash-waste-duke/

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

All Duke Energy needs to do is to fire up the replacement natural gas power plant there and shut down the coal power plant to stop producing more coal ashes. EPA regulations did not come into effect early enough.

Oh, they are already doing that so they may sell some coal ashes for indium extraction to help the solar power industry or make building materials out of the ashes.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

That's more than a little behind the curve at this point.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/coal-ash-spill-nc-river-contained-22384415

And please...the EPA has suffered cuts at the hands of the (R)epelican'ts, since the Reagan administration.

Teeny, tiny, underfunded, ineffective government.

Better known as libe(R)topia.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Quite a bit of the details in the article was cut out such as how many coal ash ponds there were. Only one ash pond broke. There are many more ponds there. Perhaps Duke Energy might as well discharge all of them and be done with the disposal problem altogether. A disaster is too good an opportunity to miss.

Hollowed out regulatory agencies are the new brands of the recent quasi-pokemon administrations. That IS the problem with people who do not have contextual understandings.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Libe(R)topians are who hollowed those agencies.

They've been doing since Reagan.

Why do so many have trouble factoring that into their thinking?

The FLAKESnews effect?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

There was the savings and loans scandal in the late seventies, eighties, and early nineties that was eventually resolved by seizing insolvent financial institutions, sending a bunch of the financial honchos to jail, writing down deadbeat loans and packaging and selling the remaining loans to investors through the Resolution Trust Corporation. That was Regulation.

Where were the actions akin to these since the early 1990s even though we went through much worse in the Great Recession? Since the world-famous blow-jobs of the 1990s, very few financial honchos were sent to jail even though they had caused the Great Recession. The government would not even limit bonuses of the honchos when it had majority share control of some corporations, not to mention sending the honchos to jail. Instead, the Federal Reserve stuffed hundreds of billions of dollars created out of thin air to shore up these corporations. I call that a lack of Regulation.

Reagan might have started deregulation but the Regulation of the financial monkeys were still carried out unlike our last few blow-job, Wall Street sucking, or quasi-pokemon administrations which did not even kill a single chicken to scare the monkeys.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

WTF does ANY of that have to do with the constant cuts to the EPA that started under Reagan?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

The financial scandals on Wall Street affected our world far more than the leak of coal ashes. I consider the financial regulation to be far more significant than the EPA lapse. How many millions of people have lost their livelihoods because of the Great Recession v. Coal Ash Spill? How many people have committed suicides because of the same? They are orders of magnitudes different.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

The financial scandals on Wall Street affected our world far more than the leak of coal ashes.

WHAT??? Electronic smoke and mirrors is more devastating than the continued ( escalation ) destruction/poisoning of our very "real" environment/world?

I don't think so.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Yes, ask those people affected by the Great Recession or families who have loved ones killed in Arab Spring or look at the dead bodies, the maimed, the poisoned people, and millions of refugees in or near Syria. Very few Syrians are affected by the coal ash spill in North Carolina.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

families who have loved ones killed in Arab Spring or look at the dead bodies, the maimed, the poisoned people, and millions of refugees in or near Syria. Very few Syrians are affected by the coal ash spill in North Carolina.

BTW - your comment has more to do with the pursuit and control of fossil fuel and really nothing at all to do with the economic crash of the great recession.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Can you tell me the linkage from the shenanigans of our financial monkeys to the dead and maimed in Syria? I know the linkage. Do you? Hint: the torch passed through Africa.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

EDIT - unless U R thimking of the Ivory ( rape ) trade or the spice ( luxury ) trade that tied into the far east? But U said Africa - so that would likely be the ivory ( rape ) trade. Any which way you look at it though - the middle east has been the hub of travel ( the link to all resources in that part of the world ) - think Byzantium or the crusades or or or.

I thin U might have it backwards - if not backwards - then perhaps I am mistaken as to timeline - as it all has to do with resources and the control thereof. Fossil Fuel being number 1 on the chart and other resources filling in the subsequent following spots. The strife in Syria and all of the middle east began with the control of fossil fuel - if not the possession of the in the ground resource - then in the travel route to open ports for distribution. I do believe that the middle east ( including part of north Africa ) was the initial staging/battle grounds.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

You got it partially correct because the torch passed through resources. It is a long story but it all started with the breakthrough Black-Scholes Merton formula for valuating European-style options. I will not bore you with the intervening details (involving Asian Contagion, Russian sovereign debt default, LTCM collapse, JP Morgan Chase et al., de-facto "repeal" of Glass-Steagall) so let us start with the Lehman Brothers' collapse in 2008.

After its collapse, our Federal Reserve greatly loosened monetary policy (actually started in early 2007) and our government joined in grudgingly with TARP and stimulus programs. In the aftermath of financial panic and great uncertainties, created credit piled into anything real - resources such as oil, fertilizers, food, etc. - not the who-knows-how-much-they-are-worth derivative contracts.

Rising prices of real things squeezed poor people hard worldwide. In Tunisia, the frustrated (but educated) fruit vendor set himself on fire having been slapped by the policewoman and the bribe needed for him to recover his confiscated cart drove him mad. It touched off the powder keg built up for the Arab Spring and led to the maimed, dead, poisoned, and millions of refugees in and around Syria. Although it was not directly the fault of the U.S., the inundation of the world markets by the liquidity originated by the U.S. played a big role in triggering the conflagration indirectly.

Up to now, how many peope have died due to the coal ash spill in North Carolina? That number is nowhere close to the turmoils and sufferings worldwide triggered by the shenanigans of our financial monkeys.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2516) 0 minutes ago

Okay, I may have shot off on a tangent but I really consider financial regulations to be far more important than the North Carolina Duke Energy coal ash spill into the Dan River. Even if ALL of the ash ponds there completely emptied into the river, it would have been far less traumatic for the entire world than the Great Recession and the Arab Spring.

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Not so - where proper financial regulation could curb or even eliminate abuses to the economy as well as to the environment - the poisoning of a river does not stay static to that area on the river - nope it travels - where do rivers flow ? to the seas/oceans? - so a poisonous spill into a river eventually travels the oceans and their currents to mix into - the ALL. Same is true in it's own way as to air-borne pollution - it does not stay in one place - it travels. Both types of disasters ( economic & industrial ) have real world wide effects. Economic disaster more easily/completely addressable than pollution.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

The Great Recession was an economic disaster created by the financial monkeys so yes it may be more easily addressable than environmental pollution because hoarding using created credit by the Federal Reserve and the banks is not really required.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Okay, get back the eight million jobs lost since the Great Recession nearly five and a half years after Lehman. Put Syria back to the way it was before the Arab Spring so raise the dead, heal the maimed, home the refugees, unpoison the corpses and make them live again.

If you can do the above, I concede that financial regulations are less important.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2516) 0 minutes ago

If you want it to BE, you must BELIEVE wholeheartedly and see it in your mind's eye. Then become a fervent "Fool" to make it so. Thus is the magic of the youth, action, and the open secret of the U.S. Be a Fool and increase the error rate.

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U R preaching to the choir ( kind of - as I can't relate it to being foolish - not one little bit ) - to make a better world for all "IS" what I dedicate my time to doing - Advocating and educating the public as best as I can.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Exactly what we need more of. Great!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2516) 0 minutes ago

I am not saying Syria or Sudan are related to each other. I am saying that a cohesive and fair country can withstand and indeed enjoy the discovery of great wealth but a non-cohesive or unfair can suffer greatly from the same wealth. Heaven or Hell can be exactly the identical place but the people there make it one or the other depending on their "spirits."

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So - we in the USA are in the same boat as those in Syria the Sudan or anywhere else - where the public/population do not own/control their government and/or control the business operations in their country.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

We may "think" that we do not own/control and therefore we really do not. The truth is that we the people as an aggregate do own/control governments and businesses if we have the right "spirits."

We are the placenta that feeds the governments and the businesses. If we constrict ourselves, it will pinch off the governments and the businesses. The ultimate power rests with the people. It is really the scabs amongst us who prevent us from taking control and do whatever we desire with the governments and the businesses. We need the right "spirits" or nothing will change for the better. Hence, we must win the hearts and minds of our people, to serve them because we know that they deserve better.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2512) 2 minutes ago

The strifes in Middle East and Africa have more to do with their peoples' and their governments' inability to share fairly the resource wealth that they own. Sudan did not have oil before but after oil had been discovered there, a war started creating great sufferings.

I did not see the same thing happen when Norway discovered much oil/gas in its North Sea portion.

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Different can of worms and a whole different conversation as to what you offered-up.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Okay, I may have shot off on a tangent but I really consider financial regulations to be far more important than the North Carolina Duke Energy coal ash spill into the Dan River. Even if ALL of the ash ponds there completely emptied into the river, it would have been far less traumatic for the entire world than the Great Recession and the Arab Spring.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2512) 0 minutes ago

There were Greed, Corruption, Libe(R)topian politics and beliefs, Plutocracy, arm-twistings, corporate bail-outs, created out-of-thin-air near money from Helicopter Ben, and so on, and so on. It took an awful lot for all these to lined up properly to create the Great Recession and the Arab Spring but we really hit the crack-pot bull's eye.

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I understand where you are trying to go with this - but - for factual accuracy - Africa ( the things you site for the greater African conflicts ) is more of an after event ( off-shoot/continuation ) of what is currently fueling the Syrian debacle - not the other way around.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

I am not saying Syria or Sudan are related to each other. I am saying that a cohesive and fair country can withstand and indeed enjoy the discovery of great wealth but a non-cohesive or unfair one can suffer greatly from the same wealth. Heaven or Hell can be exactly the identical place but the people there make it one or the other depending on their "spirits."

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2512) 1 minute ago

I cannot write a historical treatise and hope to have a substantial audience.

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To leave out factual origination - is to make your offering incomplete ( at best ). The middle east has been a target of conquest - for material wealth - for centuries - Africa's major exploitation was ( is ) an off-shoot - and recent in comparison - especially talking about existing long running conflicts.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

The strifes in Middle East and Africa have more to do with their peoples' and their governments' inability to share fairly the resource wealth that they own. Sudan did not have oil before but after oil had been discovered there, a war started creating great sufferings.

I did not see the same thing happen when Norway discovered much oil/gas in its North Sea portion. Instead of war and sufferings, Norway improved the standard of living of its people. Norway used to be one of the poorest countries in Europe but that is not so anymore.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

You really need a starting point prior to OPEC - long before OPEC - you are talking recent development not beginning history.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

I cannot write a historical treatise and hope to have a substantial audience.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Whoa - sorry - but your story is a development that follows from a centuries older before your examples time historic trade zone - route nexus - the common factor being business acquisition/control - local versus foreign - and so the African trail you reference is recent and not the root.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

There were Greed, Corruption, Libe(R)topian politics and beliefs, Plutocracy, arm-twistings, corporate bail-outs, created out-of-thin-air near money from Helicopter Ben, and so on, and so on. It took an awful lot for all these to have lined up properly to create the Great Recession and the Arab Spring but we really hit the crack-pot bull's eye.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2516) 0 minutes ago

Okay, get back the eight million jobs lost since the Great Recession nearly five and a half years after Lehman. Put Syria back to the way it was before the Arab Spring so raise the dead, heal the maimed, home the refugees, unpoison the corpses and make them live again.

If you can do the above, I concede that financial regulations are less important.

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Edit - U R the fool if you think pollution has not killed more people than have been killed by asshat in Syria or if you believe that the economic meltdown killed more than pollution has and is continuing to do.

Enter - The GR8 restructuring - rebuilding our crumbling infra-structure with clean green available alternatives to fossil fuel power. Take that 85 billion a month thrown away on wallstreet propping-up and transfer it to building/manufacturing programs to take us off of fossil fuel as well as making our fragile ( just to the elements ) power grid robust and flexible.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

I did not say that pollution had not killed more people than the wars in Syria. Without properly defining the scope of the measurements of deaths, we are talking past each other about which is more or less. The economic meltdown killed more people than the coal ash spill into the Dan River. That was my statement.

I think that the tapering has already reduced the amount of Quantitative Easing to $65 billions a month. There are two major factors preventing the redirection of that money towards infrastructure development - too fast a tapering may increase interest rate to the tune of $1.67 billions per basis point (0.01%) just on the U.S. national debt of $16.7 trillions (not to mention the debts of businesses) and the clogged up Cesspool in Washington, DouchingCity next to which geoduck sucks and spews as the "tides" come in.

A 1% rise in interest rates in the treasuries markets translate to $167 billions. Now do you see why the Federal Reserve must hold down the interest rates? The government AND the businesses are on the same side of sucking purchasing power from the stupid savers and that includes everyone who holds any pension plan, 401k, IRAs, cash, insurance plan, checking or savings accounts, bonds, money market funds, etc. Yes, I AM a stupid saver and a Fool and proud of it (it is far better to have leaches all over than to be a dead corpse without any leaches).

Thinking of fossil fuels, why is the U.S. still subsidizing their production in Alaska, only to have them go to Japan or Asia? It is now more than three decades since the Oil Embargoes of the 1970s for which the subsidies were enacted to stimulate domestic oil production. In fact, we should impose a carbon tax to pay for various climate damages, such as the drought in California.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (2516) 0 minutes ago

We may "think" that we do not own/control and therefore we really do not. The truth is that we the people as an aggregate do own/control governments and businesses if we have the right "spirits."

We are the placenta that feeds the governments and the businesses. If we constrict ourselves, it will pinch off the governments and the businesses. The ultimate power rests with the people. It is really the scabs amongst us who prevent us from taking control and do whatever we desire with the governments and thd businesses. We need the right "spirits" or nothing will change for the better. Hence, we must win the hearts and minds of our people, to serve them because we know that they deserve better.

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No - currently it is not a matter of thinking about whether we do or not - as at this very point in time - WE DO NOT OWN CONTROL OUR GOVERNMENT OR CONTROL OUR BUSINESS PRACTICES - This is a fact of our current status. The fact that the Population could control the government and business - is just that at this point in time = a real possibility - and yes that would entail the opening of the eyes of the public to the fact that they/we can make it happen by getting involved.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

If you want it to BE, you must BELIEVE wholeheartedly and see it in your mind's eye. Then become a fervent "Fool" to make it so. Thus is the magic of the youth, action, and the open secret of the U.S. Be a Fool and increase the error rate.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Here is some more REALITY ( not illusion ) for ya:

Every day, thousands of people near fracking sites wake up with headaches and nosebleeds. Gas companies are dumping dangerous chemicals into community rivers and lands because there are no safety laws to stop them.

Tell President Obama to place greater restrictions on this dangerous practice and protect our communities today.

Fracking chemicals give off a rotten egg smell, and eventually kill your sense of smell entirely. Children are developing skin lesions and losing their hearing while their parents develop liver and kidney disease.

Because of trade secret laws, when these people go in seek medical help, their doctors aren't legally allowed to tell them what chemicals are poisoning them.

Other energy companies used to be able to dump chemicals until we created laws to stop them. We can do the same thing with fracking. Sign the petition now to demand that Obama protect our children and families from fracking.

Thanks for taking action,

Eric A. Care2 and ThePetitionSite Team

[-] 5 points by Nevada1 (4784) 8 months ago

Signed, and some other good petitions as well.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

It's pretty awesome the way good petitions are growing in number and are being placed together for more opportunities for garnering support.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Our geoduck of Washington, DouchingCity will surely praise their sacrifices for our nation's energy needs.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Send a tweet - I did: ( U can slap em about the economy and fantasy money )

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

@BarakObama__ - We can do better!

Look in the mirror when U say that.

Your all of the above energy stance ? = INSANITY !!!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Everyone is effected by air pollution as well as the resulting global warming. These are real things - real things that can not vanish just because we would want them to. Where as - the economy/money is a total illusion of made-up values - which CAN be made to start a-new as if they had never been just by rejecting them because we want to.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

It may be true about the illusion but as long as the people recognize certain magnetic domains' polarites but not others, the financial manipulations have power over the people, really because the people give away their power by behaving differently depending on the polarities of certain magnetic domains.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 months ago

Difference being - when the people get sick enough of being manipulated - all of the economic crap can disappear immediately - not so the pollution of industry.

[-] 2 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Unfortunately pollution is very real but illusions about the economic crap die hard in most people and that is why many people are still enslaved because they do it to themselves as well as others.

If we build up an alternate behavioral pattern for people, all of the financial manipulations will be rendered "impotent and obsolete." It would be like a child presenting to you a bank withdrawal slip requesting $10,000,000 in cash. What would you do?

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 months ago

We can depolarize these magnetic domains though. Right?

I mean we can't give up.

Consider these efforts:

http://www.infoinc.com/Energy_Efficiency/0514.html

And join this hangout:

https://plus.google.com/events/cjsqdor2t8qp74da73jj256v7c4

Peace

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Actually, they're apples and oranges.

A misdirection and a minimization.

If you want to play magnitude?

It could be said those cuts, and those that funded those cuts, have created a threat of the largest magnitude.

Global warming.

Coal ash, is still some pretty nasty stuff.

https://www.google.com/search?q=coal+ash&client=firefox-a&hs=0Dv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=B1n1UvnNOaPuyAGz0oDACg&ved=0CEIQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=1015

Keep in mind.

It's not one thing, it's everything.

[-] 0 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Funding the EPA more fully in the U.S. would not have changed one bit about carbon dioxide emission before 1988. It was the brutally hot and dry summer of 1988 that caused the U.S. to hold Congressional hearings with scientists about the climate. Of course, the scientists had inklings about global warming, they established carbon dioxide monitoring on Mauna Loa in the 1958.

It was not really a surprise that heat trapping carbon dioxide increased in the atmosphere seasonally as well as year after year. Other countries' scientists knew too that we were going into the oven but scientists are not brainless policy makers with power. Anyway, the Kyoto Protocol was actually a result of a U.S. initiative in response to the summer of 1988.

Coal ash is nasty but it served our people. It is less dangerous than all of the idiots in power. Do you wonder why the U.S. is not involved in the Kyoto Protocol and we only got 2-Celsius mumbo jumbo out of Copenhagen in 2009? Yes, we had idiots in power and lots of them everywhere, especially in the U.S., Oklahoma's Senator James Imhofe, for example.

This is not a joke. 350.org's target of 350 parts per million of carbon dioxide has long been surpassed. We are much closer to 400 parts per million. It is like: Let us take exit 350 of the expressway to hell on earth. Next we look, isn't that exit 400 already? Oh, maybe the exits were really numbered in a descending sequence so we must go on to find our exit 350.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Pure conjecture, Sprinkled with misdirection..

Here's an up date on what's happening today.

http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/06/water-samples-disturbing-levels-heavy-metals-duke-coal-ash-spill/

Good stuff, huh?

[-] 0 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

They are very bad stuffs so do not drink or bathe in the spill-polluted water. Bark up the tree of Snyder and the "conservative" court.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

He's powered by the Koch's.

He doesn't give a fuck.

I've posted on most of it, yo can look around, or I can put a bunch of links up.

[-] 0 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

The truth is that this type of coal ash spill has occurred before and will occur again. As long as we are addicted to the cheapness of coal pushing out its "externalities" to the poor people living near it, we will have coal ash spills again. Most likely outcome for "cleaning" is for mother nature to "clean" up the spill over time. Take a good look at who are in charge in the past, present, and future, and at the mirror, too. There goes the understanding needed.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

flibberdy jibberdy, hippity hop.

Since we are switching subjects faster than a speed freak.

How about record levels of pollution in Puerto Rico, that almost a State, libe(R)tarian playground?

http://phys.org/news/2014-02-noaa-high-pollutants-guanica-bay.html

Keep playing this game, if you like.

I have many, many more all over the World.

[-] 0 points by grapes (3256) 8 months ago

Stop using coal, bleach, chemicals, etc. wherever possible. When dealing with our waste stream, rethink, reduce, reuse, recycle. There ARE efficiencies exceeding 100% that come from purposeful thinking and the resulting repurposed actions. There IS travel faster than the speed of light - NO travel. Those who did not plan and venture out fast end up being slower in reaching their goal than those who discover the true essence of theirs before embarking on the quest.

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[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 months ago

remake Appalachian waterways?

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/may/appalachia-remake-strategy-050614.html

We cant be serious can we?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 months ago

Judging by the down votes. No, we can't.

No one has a right to potable water.

You should have tied in Benghazi somehow. Or maybe HAARP, before they unplug it..

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[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 months ago

So then I won't have enough votes to trade in for the sleek new clock radio?

Ha!!!!

Worth it to get these water crises posted (and annoying all who support these crimes)

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 months ago

Reality is a tough subject around here.

http://www.stateoftheocean.org/index.cfm

Personal attacks and politicization is much easier for many.

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

People working to learn & clean up rivers

http://www.startribune.com/nation/260117271.html

Bump

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 4 months ago

If we don't stop global warming, everything else is pointless.

I hope you've been keeping up with "Years of Living Dangerously".

A fantastic series. The Vice show on HBO is great too.

[-] 3 points by 99nproud (2697) 4 months ago

Stopping Kochs, & other assorted fossil fuel corps is high priority in climate change battle against pollution & self destruction.

Great shows you mentioned. They represent a natural eruption of better journalism when the "news" environment becomes stagnant & co opted by corp oligarchs.

I'm with ya'

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Patriot Coal, says oooooopsie!

Just another polluted river, in West Virginia.who's going to notice?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/12/3281881/photos-west-virginia-coal-spill/

I mean it does have a libe(R)topian sounding name, so it can't possibly be at fault.

[-] 0 points by Shule (2030) 8 months ago

Water is clean at Palm Beach. I was just there checking it out.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Did you go swimming and dip yourself a big ole' mug to drink?

[-] 0 points by Shule (2030) 8 months ago

Oh yes. Basking in aura emanating from the not too far away shores where the 1% reside is truly refreshing. Makes one wonder what the common folk are doing for food and water these days.....

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

They pay exorbitant amounts for bottled water, and eat less than good food.

What did you think?

That's not an aura. They're laser sights. Swim then other way.

[-] 0 points by Shule (2030) 8 months ago

Na. When swimming, I just have to make sure I don't get run over by one of their mega-yachts coming out of the channel.

They eat good food. I saw some real fresh and big scallops for $30/lb in the grocery store where their helpers go to shop. I only dream of affording to eat them. Those folks can care less about how much bottled water or anything else costs. How much something costs is a thing only po' folk concern themselves with.

You might be right about the laser sights...

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

Here. Have some corn on the cob, while you await that zinging sound, that accompanies your beloved "aura".

https://www.google.com/search?q=mutant+corn&rlz=1C1ASUC_enUS569US569&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=jkX2Uo6SLOOYyAH56IGABw&ved=0CDIQ7Ak&biw=1920&bih=993

By all means, swim into the light. .

[-] 0 points by Shule (2030) 8 months ago

Oh yeh, I'll heed your warning. After all the talk around here is that it is open season on po' folk.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 months ago

"Are you high?"

No, but at this point.....It couldn't hurt.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 months ago

maybe it's the water

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 months ago

Save the rivers!!!

http://egpnews.com/2014/05/supreme-court-county-liable-for-polluted-rivers/

scotus found in favor of clean rivers. Unexpected

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 months ago

I think the term "supreme court" is what people know

"scotus" is not registering to many

[-] 0 points by 99nproud (2697) 5 months ago

Agreed,

I prefer calling them the Supreme scrotus.