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Forum Post: Anonymous 2015 We Will Win

Posted 2 years ago on July 11, 2015, 11:31 a.m. EST by Nevada1 (5843)
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[-] 3 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''I believe that W W W "! Good Video and although probably not totally appropriate here, please do see: https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/17/mh-17-mystery-a-new-tonkin-gulf-case/ -and further and rather appropriately, per your forum-post http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42417.htm and finally http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42419.htm - & tho' this final link is in relation to Canada, nevertheless, it will fully applies to US too and follows on from your video. + Solidarity to you and yours.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Good links Lugano. Another Tonkin like false flag-----Clark internment camps----Normalcy bias about Israel.

[-] 4 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Thanks and re. ''Normalcy bias about Israel'', please read & consider this article by Chris Hedges:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_i_support_the_bds_movement_against_israel_20150726

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

The U.S. can declare itself to be a Christian state like Israel declaring itself to be a Jewish state. It makes sense, doesn't it? When are we going to "mow the lawns" in Skokie? We need Mitt Romney's connection to hire the ones without the Right Stuff.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Dogmatic Abrahamic Mumbo-Jumbo - whether Judaic, Christian or Islamic, makes next to no sense - in Skokie, Illinois or anywhere else, imo. + fyi: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/32081-why-is-the-new-york-times-swiftboating-j-street-for-supporting-iran-deal + NB: Nutjobyahoo is still out to wreck Iran Deal!

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Elijah, God, Allah frowns.

Iran will possess nuclear weapons eventually because it has the misplaced ancient pride and the technology. "Islamic" or not, there will be nuclear bombs owned by Iran shi'ites eventually. Actually, there are already "Islamic" nuclear weapons owned by Pakistan which is predominantly sunni. Accepting the Iran-nuclear deal soon will kick the can down the road so there will be peace in our time, not to mention a conventional weapons' arms race creating jobs, jobs, jobs!

I think ISIS has been a rather effective job creation organization.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Re. "misplaced ancient pride" .. well the Iranians are a nation of Persians, Medes and Magi and are very old peoples and also happen to be totally surrounded by enemies and US allies two of whom (Israel and Pakistan) have Nuclear Weapons. Re. the ''Iran Deal'' - to just depict Iran in Israel, USA, UK etc. - as an irrational enemy of Judaism does not hold any historical or social water, especially when one recalls the many thousands of Jews - who still live in Iran! Ergo, here are two significant videos for your information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Jg41szSg4 ''Iran Is Not The Problem'' by Americans for ppl in USA

and re. the ancient Persian Jews, please also consider: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngttxIzXRsE

Do Americans even know that The Largest Population of Jews in the Middle East outside of Israel has been living in Iran since 700BC? Is that an important fact .. worthy of dissemination do you think? I do and btw, try to have a guess which 3 countries, helped to seed Iran's Nuclear Research in the 1970's! Good clue would be that it was in times of The Shah & his hated,western trained secret police, Savak although yet another clue would be that you will need a huge dose of irony to rationalize the actuality!

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

I am not surprised that the U.S. and European countries were seeding Iran's Nuclear Research before the Iran's 1979 takeover of the U.S. embassy and its personnel as hostages.

There were many precedents before. For example, the U.S. shipped much materiel to the Soviet Union so that it could withstand the Nazi onslaught only to have the Cold War afterwards with the Soviet Union for many decades.

Without Persia's sheltering the Jews millennia ago, we probably would not even be discussing Jews at all in the present tense. Unfortunately, the rhetorics and prides get out of hand easily and many people do not care or learn about history.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

USA, France and .. Israel, were the main countries to seed the hated Shah's nuclear program in Iran in the 1970s. ... http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-generation-ago-israelis-found-paradise-in-iran/ Btw, Iran is NOT an irrational actor and the deep propaganda against it, is hollow and rather easily exposed. Peace is well worth striving for especially when War may be desired.Have u ever heard of the Oded Yinon Plan btw? http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=oded_yinon but it does not work if Iran is strong! This matter is very well known in ''Foreign Policy Circles'' but it's Never Spoken Of in the West on MSM.

Hegemony and power are age old pursuits but history's lessons can not be learned, IF history is hidden. Further the roots of the ''Embassy Hostage Crisis'' went back 25 years from the time of that situation, to 1954 when the democratically elected president of Iran,Mohammad Mossadegh was removed by a OSS staged coup (''Operation Ajax'') run by Kermit Roosevelt Jr. - straight out of the very same US Embassy! The Revolutionaries overran the US Embassy to prevent a repeat of '54 - but things then got out of hand. Finally fyi, try to closely consider .. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/freshmen-congresspeople-sabotage

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Syria: Negotiating Ethnic Cleansing And A Temporary Partition'' - from http://www.moonofalabama.org/ via http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42550.htm & linked to here in support of ^above^ info.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Jews in Iran are an oppressed people. I know how oppressed peoples behave. They recoil whenever they feel the political bogeyman's hot breaths on the back of their necks. The U.N. has "the freedom of expression" in its universal human rights declaration. Many countries' rulers suppress the exercise of that fundamental right by all.

To which, all peoples should recognize the fundamental humanity of all countries' rulers. Learn about what had happened to Marie Antoinette, Louis XVI, Moammar Gadhafi, and Saddam Hussein. Did they have necks and anus of steel or bullet-proof flesh? Watch the videos of Gadhafi's death. Did he have blue blood?

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Would the ''Black Lives Matter'' Movement be an example of ''how oppressed peoples behave'', and do they maybe ''recoil whenever they feel the political bogeyman's hot breaths on the back of their necks''?

Re. the ''Jews in Iran'' - are they honestly anything like as ''oppressed'' as for example .. Palestinians in Palestine/Israel?! Do you know that .. The Largest Population of Jews in the Middle East outside Israel has been living in Iran since 700BC? Or that there still are between 12 and 50+ thousand(depending on whose estimates and methodology is used) Jews still living in Iran, right now? Please do watch this for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngttxIzXRsE

Gadhafi and Saddam Hussein were despots, murderers & tyrants - but it was for the people of Iraq & Libya to remove them and evolve their countries. Iraq & Libya were NOT 3rd world countries & people had universal healthcare & education & functional society/state. Liberty and Democracy, are NOT the Corporate US Imperium's gift to give anyone! Do they do that to their Tin Pot Tyrant friends in .. Saudi Arabia for example? Call out RWNJ Corporate Hypocrisy & Imperial Hubris OR, share its opprobrium!

Finally, re. what has been going on in Syria etc. - please read this and feel free to let me know if it has any bearing on events in your opinion ... http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=oded_yinon

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Blacks are certainly an oppressed people in the U.S. but of course, many Caucasians have no idea what the oppression is due to the lack of experience. Many really blame the mulatto President for stirring up racial problems.

Many Americans see Libya and Iraq in a similar way that it was the incompetence or Muslim preference of the mulatto President for losing Libya and Iraq to chaos. Of course, the U.S. was not the reason for the chaos in these countries. They were already chaotic. Intervention in Libya was requested by Libya's ambassador to the U.N. on the imminent genocide in Benghazi. Iraq was a jumbled country from its colonial days. There are Sunni, Shia, and Kurd nations held together by Saddam Hussein with an iron fist. The U.S. exercised restraint not to march to Baghdad in the first Gulf War after liberating Kuwait. That gave Saddam Hussein leeway to kill many Shi'ites. I don't think that many Iraqis had felt sorry for Saddam Hussein having been hanged. The U.S. messed up by not holding Iraq together with sufficient forces long enough to stabilize it. It was due to the distrust between Donald Rumsfeld and the uniformed armed forces. Donald Rumsfeld was dismissive of the massive occupation force envisaged by the U.S. Army needed to stabilize Iraq. Stupid managers can create disasters anywhere by cutting sufficient resources from any enterprise.

Saudi Arabia shared the U.S. goal of stabilizing the Middle East so it is an ally in spite of its authoritarian government and kingship. If Saddam Hussein did not conquer Kuwait and massed forces ready to invade Saudi Arabia, the U.N. and the U.S. would have left Saddam Hussein alone.

You are certainly correct that the U.S. cannot give Liberty and Democracy to any peoples for long if they do not want or learn the maintenance of them. That actually suits many Americans just fine because we would rather keep what is the Old World's in the Old World and what is the New World's in the New World.

The U.S. has restrained itself from intervening in Syria and we all can see the mess there. The problem is not the U.S. The problem is mostly in the minds of the peoples of the Middle East.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

I think ''hegemony & hubris'' are words you should really meditate upon. + I disagree with much of what you've said there but I don't have time to de-construct it but maybe I will come back to it later. However, as #BlackLivesMatter was a matter under consideration here, then do try to take a little time to closely consider ... http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/police-shootings-traffic-stops-excessive-fines although you may also wish to reflect upon: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ivan-eland/scorecard-on-us-intervent_b_7965962.html given what you seem to be trying to say in your 'USA uber alles' reply above.

Also: “Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked; and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities - and will diligently study them ; and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.”[Mark Twain]

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

Occasionally, a military response may be needed to terrorism, but it should be quick, surgical, and done in the shadows, so as not to be a recruiting poster for jihadists

I do not support secret wars and find this statement misleading

government should be transparent

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Re. Militarism & Warmongering, you're right to call it out wherever you see it & many a US ''Liberal'' is strangely ok with killing Jonny-Foreigner and his family with a drone strike. +fyi: ''The Most Dangerous Cops On The Planet Live In...'' --- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42669.htm (2xVideo)

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

we've been dumping weapons into that region forever

the US supported Saddam Hussein to fight with Iran

during and after the time Saddam gassed the kurds

[-] 2 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

The U.S. has not been dumping weapons into the Middle East forever. It was mainly after WWII and the rise of the Age of Oil. Parts of the Middle East became extremely wealthy while others stayed medieval. The extreme inequality of wealth was NOT tamed by modern institutions or the lack thereof over there.

Instead the tribal and religious faults generated quakes upon quakes. The French and British colonialism with arbitrary divisions there did not help, either. The U.S. support for providing a permanent Jewish homeland, Israel, created even more strifes. It is a fundamental contradiction to have a Jewish state if it has to occupy non-Jewish lands and populations as safety buffers. The U.S. went through a similar contradiction with its slavery. That disgusting stain was eventually cleansed through the rivers of blood shed in the American Civil War. Israel may well need to adopt our 14th Amendment to liberate its Palestinians.

Iran invaded the U.S. embassy in Tehran and held its personnel as hostages. This was a practice that even non-civilized savages knew not to do, not to mention a people which claims to be highly civilized.

Saddam Hussein was very handy to do the dirty work against Iran. The U.S. should have known that Saddam Hussein was up to no good when his airforce fired Exocet missiles at U.S.S. Stark. It is a case resembling the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israel.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

very kurt

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

only because they gits that distribute money into the system

decided to pay us plebes to make more weapons

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Can Greece get a piece of the Middle East arms trade burgeoning soon? Such as supplying new military bases near Iran or ISIS.

ISIS was effective in creating jobs but Iran will surely eclipse ISIS in creating far more jobs.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 2 years ago

Good article.

Apartheid regime of Israel, needs to burn.

[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

An unfortunate choice of words but I understand what you mean & btw this is EXACTLY what happened to Iran's ex-Pres. Ahmedinejad when he said that ... events ''would wipe off'' Israel's Racist Regime from the page of history like Apartheid in RSA! + Fyi: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/32088-a-supreme-threat-to-us-democracy an interesting article, that further shows how SCOTUS has usurped democracy.