Forum Post: An Idea for a new group: ”We The People’s Veto”
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 23, 2011, 11:14 a.m. EST by BradB
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from Washington, DC
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hey All… Fantastic Work… everyone.. I wish I was on the ground with you…..
anyway, I would like to propose an idea… I have read many hundreds of posts from http://occupywallst.org/forum/, http://www.occupytogether.org/discuss/, and a few more…
First I understand the primary goals of the discussion sites, communication, awareness, education and expansion of support and constituency… We want support from 99% of the people…
I also realize that “simple” non complicated goals are the easiest to reach… such as; the simple demand; “Get Money Out of Politics”…
I suggest we form a new group: ”We The People’s Veto”, that focuses on getting legislation that allows the “People” to be able to veto any Bill on the spot, given a 75% (or something) vote, of registered voters …
what do you think ?
I agree, better yet:
Informed Direct Democracy, the process by which the average well informed real public opinion is brought to the attention of all, directly, is now obviously made possible by the internet. Just as we have secure online banking, shopping, chat, forums, libraries, dictionaries, and many other types of large online services and gathering places of opinions and facts, we can have direct voting on ISSUES that affect everyone, accompanied by direct FACTUAL open sourced information available to all so we can KNOW what the issues are and how the issues affect people. The idea that most people are incapable of making direct decisions in their communities, governments, and international affairs because of lack of abilities, information, and lack of a practical method, is no longer tolerable. Most people on Earth, are perfectly capable of making sound decisions about any political, environmental, social issue, IF the people are provided with factual free open sourced information about the issues. Most people have enough common sense and reasoning abilities to understand and reach very reasonable solutions to all the issues we, the people of Earth, face today on local levels as well as global levels. Having poor education, as the 1% have turned our public education system into their consumer-worker brainwashing, is not the same as being stupid; and being trusting, as most people are, is not the same as being gullible, and is a virtue, not a weakness to be exploited by the greedy 1%. Most people should trust each other to share control over society together, not give up our liberties to a system of greed made by the 1% that's causing famine, wars financial desperation, poor education, and the destruction of our planet, all for MORE PROFIT FOR THE 1%. The internet already offers EVERYTHING that is needed to have Informed Direct Democratic voting on issues everywhere. All that is needed is for people to organize a system. This system should be started by the 99% Occupy International Movement right NOW, while there is still time. In a few short years, the PEOPLE OF EARTH could be voting on local politics and local issues, and on issues that affect their country, and global issues that affect everyone. Let's not allow the 1% to make us out to be a petty and shallow and selfish and cowardly poor VS rich movement. It's not about taking down rich people, it's about taking down GREED itself; most rich people have the same capacity for being reasonable as most poor people do. A real economic recovery is not accomplished by restoring the health of the financial institutions, because they measure their recovery in profit; we need to eliminate GREED from the financial system, because too-big-to-fail corporations reporting record profits does not equal healthy fair economy. The people can come up with MUCH better solutions together online NOW! It's time to stop handing over our control and trusting our representatives to make policies that reflect the will of the people, which they never do. We now have a system of greed running all governments and societies on Earth. Having the ability to vote AND BE INFORMED WITH THE FACTS about the issues directly as a people can FORCE our corrupt and greedy leaders to make the will of the people a reality. After all, in a Democratic society, the government's job is simply to administrate the process by which the will of the people is formulated into a body of laws and policies, which MOST people agree with, and then protect the peoples' rights to have such a Democracy. The government is sort of the secretary and the bodyguard of the people, not the authority for the people to be forced to follow even when most people disagree with its policies and decisions. In a true Democracy, the PEOPLE are the authority of the government.
MOST PEOPLE ARE REASONABLE, give all people the power of direct voting on issues, and we will have very REASONABLE policies, everywhere. Remember, the key is the FREE OPEN SOURCED INFORMATION (kind of like wikipedia) accompanying the voting sites on the internet.
So when reporters come to ask protesters on the streets what we are protesting for, what do we want, what are your demands (as if we were robbing a bank or something) we can say:
"WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH DEMAND DIRECT INFORMED DEMOCRACY ENABLED BY OUR CURRENT COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY, WE DEMAND VOTING ON ISSUES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE DIRECTLY THROUGH THE INTERNET AND WE DEMAND THAT WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL OPEN SOURCED ONLINE LIBRARY OF FACTS ABOUT ALL THE ISSUES WE ARE VOTING FOR."
alfi ;) I agree ............
In 2004 I was involved with a group trying to develop internet based Direct Democracy.... there are still some technical problems... how do you verify that each person only gets one vote?... it's different than someone logging into a bank account.. they will not post/share their login info...
We can however create a very good polling system until the technical problems are solved...
I fully agree with Direct Democracy.... I am currently also trying to build a supporting platform for education and consensus building...
also, Direct Democracy.... will get enormous opposition at first... people say the masses are not educated enough to be able to vote... hehehe maybe not corrupt enough to vote their way....
anyway.. one step at a time... no ? ;)
Thanks BradB
Cool!
A directly democratic 'fourth house' for our 'third way'.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/direct-democracy/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/
Also:
http://metapolitik.org/blog/occupy-hackathons-produce-digital-tools
http://metapolitik.org/blog/protests-as-emerging-cities
Yeah would be nice