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Forum Post: America’s Monarchs

Posted 1 month ago on July 9, 2014, 7:05 a.m. EST by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ
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Here is a link to..."America's Richest Families: 185 Clans With Billion Dollar Fortunes"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2014/07/08/americas-richest-families-185-clans-with-billion-dollar-fortunes/

Good or bad the government is the only thing big enough to have a chance against such power, we should try and make sure it's as good as possible.

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[-] 2 points by elf3 (2413) 2 weeks ago

..NO MORE CHAINS!!! one family in massachussetts owns 74 stores and makes 10 million dollars a day... take this microcosm apply it to the entire country and imagine instead 74 individual store owners competing for profit unable to price set and 74 families generating their own reliance and wealth...chains are killing our economy and creating a caste system that also sets prices high instead of being lowered to compete. Research the Market Basket situation when one family sells 74 stores they put 25000 people out of work or cut their pay and benefits as opposed to one store.. how many more neighborhoods can squeeze in another CVS or some other mega chain... looming over the neighborhood like an ugly red and tan tower...we need to break the chain of chains once and for all!!!!!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

thanks elf, yes as the wealth grows so does the power and the work of many benefits few

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (28187) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 weeks ago

..NO MORE CHAINS!!! one family in massachusetts owns 74

Hmmmm and in the not too distant historic past ( what? really? not to distant recent past? - well OK ) - that cry would have been about slavery.

But - ummm - Yes - I do agree - let us set limits as to how much a single business can control.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

What?? Is it forbibben to speak of the Royals here?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

silly factrfun trying to talk about wealth inequality on this site

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1194) 1 month ago

A lot here support the Israeli occupation of Palestine, so yes, actually it is.

That and you suggest the people should start running things, and can be called a fool.

A bit out of touch around here these days.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

I only suggest that people tell the truth, there is great power in truth, had Nader told the truth in 2000 a great deal would be different today, truth has great power, but for those that seek their own power truth can be an inconvenience.

[-] 1 points by flip (6880) 1 month ago

you are a one trick pony

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 week ago

Here it is where you first step in, with your question? ah but I would ask again Do you want the GOP to win control of the Senate in 2014? I know you can't answer even the simplest of questions without being reveled so I know you won't answer but still it's fun to watch you squirm.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 4 weeks ago

see how they run, like pigs from a gun, see how they fly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ryyXUDo8o

run away little piggy run away from The TRUTH

[-] -1 points by flip (6880) 4 weeks ago

are you feeling more vulnerable and alone these days? i don't have much time lately to read what is happening here but i am hoping that the discourse has improved. your ability to reasonably debate the ISSUES has not. time to start - the powers that be are now watching!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 4 weeks ago

so concerned with your standing? but then we have known for some time there are those among us driven by their own egos and lust for power, they seek to destroy in order to make room for their rule, you may long to be King but you will not BE

[-] 1 points by flip (6880) 4 weeks ago

boring and stupid as always - well almost always. you have yet to answer one question so let's just call it quits ok?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 3 weeks ago

You've asked no question, just made a stupid comment, still for those who might be reading they should know that you are a full on, full time Big Time GOP supporter!

[-] 4 points by flip (6880) 3 weeks ago

lots of questions in the past that remain unanswered - you are young so i assume your memory is good. if not go through some of our back and forth in the past and notice the pattern. i ask a question of fact - often pointing to the ruling class bias of the dems - and you say i support the gop. when you come up with a better response than that let me know - it's pretty boring. and just wondering - do you feel more vulnerable now or have you found new dem supporters here? i don't notice many but then i only read a small sample in my limited time here - i have a real job you know

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

ahhh always in the past never the present, such is your old man life......

"vulnerable" seems to be coming up in your comments these days, I wonder if that's Freudian?

[-] 2 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

if i post this from the liberal democrat leaning bob scheiffer am i supporting the gop or educating people on the depravity of the liberal elite - AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman. And we’re continuing our conversation with Noam Chomsky, world-renowned political dissident, linguist, author, has written many books, among them, one of the more recent books, Gaza in Crisis. I want to turn right now to Bob Schieffer, the host of CBS’s Face the Nation. This is how he closed a recent show.

BOB SCHIEFFER: In the Middle East, the Palestinian people find themselves in the grip of a terrorist group that is embarked on a strategy to get its own children killed in order to build sympathy for its cause—a strategy that might actually be working, at least in some quarters. Last week I found a quote of many years ago by Golda Meir, one of Israel’s early leaders, which might have been said yesterday: "We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children," she said, "but we can never forgive them for forcing us to kill their children." AMY GOODMAN: That was CBS journalist Bob Schieffer. Noam Chomsky, can you respond?

NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, we don’t really have to listen to CBS, because we can listen directly to the Israeli propaganda agencies, which he’s quoting. It’s a shameful moment for U.S. media when it insists on being subservient to the grotesque propaganda agencies of a violent, aggressive state. As for the comment itself, the Israel comment which he—propaganda comment which he quoted, I guess maybe the best comment about that was made by the great Israeli journalist Amira Hass, who just described it as "sadism masked as compassion." That’s about the right characterization.

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (894) 2 weeks ago

In the Middle East, the Palestinian people find themselves in the grip of a terrorist group that is embarked on a strategy to get its own children killed in order to build sympathy for its cause—a strategy that might actually be working, at least in some quarters.

these is not reasonable motivation tings of a propaganda lie for the opposition that kills civilians

[-] 2 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

so if i post this am i supporting the gop or the palestinian people -the punch line here since i am all to familiar with your reading comprehension skills - " It was passed with one negative vote. Guess who. Obama voted against an investigation, while he was giving these polite comments." - now the whole thing - AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to also ask you about the U.N.’s role and the U.S.—vis-à-vis, as well, the United States. This is the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay, criticizing the U.S. for its role in the Israeli assault on Gaza.

NAVI PILLAY: They have not only provided the heavy weaponry, which is now being used by Israel in Gaza, but they’ve also provided almost $1 billion in providing the Iron Domes to protect Israelis from the rocket attacks, but no such protection has been provided to Gazans against the shelling. So I am reminding the United States that it’s a party to international humanitarian law and human rights law. AMY GOODMAN: That was Navi Pillay, the U.N. high commissioner or human rights. Noam, on Friday, this was the point where the death toll for Palestinians had exceeded Operation Cast Lead; it had passed 1,400. President Obama was in the White House, and he held a news conference. He didn’t raise the issue of Gaza in the news conference, but he was immediately asked about Gaza, and he talked about—he reaffirmed the U.S. support for Israel, said that the resupply of ammunition was happening, that the $220 million would be going for an expanded Iron Dome. But then the weekend took place, yet another attack on a U.N. shelter, on one of the schools where thousands of Palestinians had taken refuge, and a number of them were killed, including children. And even the U.S. then joined with the U.N. in criticizing what Israel was doing. Can you talk about what the U.S. has done and if you really do see a shift right now?

NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, let’s start with what the U.S. has done, and continue with the comments with the U.N. Human Rights Commission. Right at that time, the time of the quote you gave over the radio—that you gave before, there was a debate in the Human Rights Commission about whether to have an investigation—no action, just an investigation—of what had happened in Gaza, an investigation of possible violations of human rights. "Possible" is kind of a joke. It was passed with one negative vote. Guess who. Obama voted against an investigation, while he was giving these polite comments. That’s action. The United States continues to provide, as Pillay pointed out, the critical, the decisive support for the atrocities. When what’s called Israeli jet planes bomb defenseless targets in Gaza, that’s U.S. jet planes with Israeli pilots. And the same with the high-tech munition and so on and so forth. So this is, again, sadism masked as compassion. Those are the actions.

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

your gibberish is hardly worth glancing through yet I see no attacks on the actual enemy the wealthy and their footmen the GOP, it is true the need to kill the GOP is so great that the flaws, and there are many , of the tools which must be used may be overlooked, at least until the job is done, any ink or effort spent on anything other than attacking the GOP is wasted or worse harmful, as Nader was in 2000, we are in one hell'of a battle here and people like you shooting at the backs of folks that are for most part in agreement with us is stupid and harmful, I believe you do it because you know that and you wish the protect the GOP from the truth and so never discuss them.

There now you have your "answers" any actual response?

[-] 2 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

an actual response would follow an actual answer - it was a simple a or b question and still you couldn't do it. as for the wealthy and their footman do you mean the guy who voted against an investigation into israeli war crimes? now that is another question and i know these are hard for you but try - you can do it. i put the punch line first so it would be easy for you and still you had trouble - here it is again - so if i post this am i supporting the gop or the palestinian people -the punch line here since i am all to familiar with your reading comprehension skills - " It was passed with one negative vote. Guess who. Obama voted against an investigation, while he was giving these polite comments."

[-] 2 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

still no answers - just like your mentor trashy

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

Oh The answer is you are a huge GOP supporter

[-] 0 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

the usual non answer - do you really think anyone pays attention to this nonsense? are you aware that others read my posts and comments and are not idiots like you. do you really think you are convincing them of anything? you cannot be that stupid so your agenda must be something different - paid democratic troll - what other possibility is there? well i guess unpaid. sorry to ask more questions - note the punctuation - when a sentence ends with a question mark it often requires and answer. i know they inflict pain so i will leave you alone now

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

stick around and I can do for you what I did for odin.....

[-] -3 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

nice you got to some "questions " at the end of the thread and even then they had nothing to do with what is to be done now, just a bunch of personal attacks which of course is the norm for cons like you

Here show me how to answer questions by example here's one for you, Do you believe 2016 would be a good year for the GOP to win the White House? (note the question mark, and yes it is a "yes" or "no" question I wanted to make the first one easy for you.

[-] 4 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

looks to me like the gop has no chance to win the white house - they are in complete disarray on a national level and could not get a reasonable candidate through the primaries for obvious reasons. now we are two years away and anyone who has followed politics for even a short while knows that much can change in two years so it is pretty stupid to talk about the 2016 election - only silly people like those on tv do it. here at ows we are not really into partisan politics - here is a response from justine tenney - know who she is?? -"What on earth are you talking about with the democratic party? We don't have anything to do with them. Not in the slightest. Don't believe the lies. I mean... we've got all this stuff about revolution on the website. :rolls eyes: You should know better if you've been on the site for the past few years :P" - now see how easy it is to answer questions kid

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

now that the question has been clarified would you care to answer it? or is answering questions beyond your skill, no wait remember the question is Do you want the GOP to win the Senate in 2014? (since as you said 2016 is so far away, see I can read)

as far as your confusion try looking at it this way, with your child mind it should help, Would you like ice cream? is very much the same as Is this a good time for ice cream? I did not realize just how limited your understanding of words is.

and to be even more clear I believe you do want the GOP to win would you care to deny that? or leave the charge unanswered?

[-] 1 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

i will answer yours when you answer mine - and we know that won't happen

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

I never asked you about their "chances" I asked you if you thought it would be a good thing to happen do you have reading problems as well as answering problems?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

so I read below is that a YES you would love for the GOP to win the WH, (if possible) or NO you would not, it seems these tough yes/no questions are tricking you up a bit, but if you can answer one we will go on to others.

Is the question you don't want to answer is just how much you wish they could?

[-] 2 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

your use of the language is confusing at best - this was the question from you - "Do you believe 2016 would be a good year for the GOP to win the White House? - that is not the same as "do you want them to win the white house" - would you please grow up - and when you feel like answering a question let me know - i have one!

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 week ago

ahh now we get to it, you want others to answer questions, (which bear no bearing on the OP) but refuse to answer any of your own, you see how dangerous questions can be, if you answer even one the truth of you will be known so you cannot, the truth of you is that you indeed wish for a great GOP victory and that is why you post here.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (894) 1 week ago

US elections are laughable

there have been no great victories

[-] 1 points by flip (6880) 1 week ago

do you remember my question - is it possible to criticize the present (or past) democratic administration without supporting the gop. if not we are all in big trouble no? is it possible to be horrified by the murderous policies of obama and also those of the bushes?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 weeks ago

I see how you will go to any measure not to answer a question I did not see you say one way or the other if you would like to see the GOP win the White House in 2016, so let's see if you actually can answer a question would you like to see the GOP win control of the Senate in 2014?

[-] 0 points by flip (6880) 2 weeks ago

you asked this - Do you believe 2016 would be a good year for the GOP to win the White House? and i responded - looks to me like the gop has no chance to win the white house. come on boy - you are not so stupid - what is your deal. if someone is paying you they are not getting their money's worth.

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

oh i think i can see how things around here have gone, I can also see the the GOP looks to be winning the Senate and gaining seats so the fact the OWS don't care about the GOP winning and the fact that they are going to win and the fact that at one point something like 70% or better supported OWS position that wealth inequality was a problem, the fact that OWS spends far more time attacking Dems than the GOP and no time at all pointing out how supportive of policies to make the rich richer the GOP is, all these things are connected...

[+] -4 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 month ago

These are mostly low fruit pickers, who've always found politicians to be the easier targets.

Looking for the individuals behind it all is hard work and takes actual thought.....

Much easier to bitch about a conspiracy of duopoly and claim it's unfixable.

Identifying the people behind the illusion is complicated and might actually affect change.

Obviously they have no interest in changing anything at all..

They just like to rant.

Welcome to the future of laziness.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

here's a rant for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LAHl-5cc5c America has returned to Monarchy and surviving within a Monarchy can be tricky business....

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 1 month ago

so any ideal why my name hasn't been changed?

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[-] 1 points by publius31 (68) from Fort Lee, NJ 4 weeks ago

Certainly money is power. And certainly the Congress of the United States spends 4 trillion dollars a year. So that's power. And 438 congressmen and 100 Senators determine how to spend it. That's almost unequaled power. And we, rightly, complain about our giving our representatives power and then they take it and use use it against us, instead of for us. Our voting for the representatives was a give-away of our power. To keep the power requires us to become the legislature ourselves, to vote directly on the laws we live under. We won't be giving away our power and we will have political equality, finally, since no one will have more political power than anyone else. See http://www.assosactualdemocracy.com.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 3 weeks ago

I do not support solutions that require a Constitutional Convention, I fear what would come from such an action, i don't trust the leaders today to write a new one.

As far as your position that Congress and the President have power yes they represent the collective power of all the voters who put them there, but their, and by extension the voters power gives way daily to the power of private wealth, the wealth that all elected officials must rely on to get elected.

The power of government cannot be used against "us" it is used against individuals when they act contrary to the agreed to rules, the money power would like those rules to apply strictly when concerning individual rights like drug laws but loosely when concerning corporate or money interest. When money is empowered and unrestricted by the people's government then it acts on the government to get rules written that favor the power of money and restricts the power and freedom of individuals.

[-] 2 points by publius31 (68) from Fort Lee, NJ 3 weeks ago

There is too much us-vs-them in all our thinking and acting. It is simply distraction from action. There is only people trying to live, love, laugh and raise children. We have common goals but dividing methods. It all ends when the votes we cast count as much as everyone else's vote and the actual majority decision gets made. What do any have to say in the governments spending 4 trillion dollars a year? ON WHAT 527 REPRESENTATIVES DECIDE TO SPEND IT? Support assosctualdemocracy.com and see that we don't need to trust them, that we need to become 'THEM', and make the rules, the laws we live under, and, by-the-way, that's really, mostly, the budget.

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 3 weeks ago

The rich will own everything long before anything like this could ever happen we could throw the GOP from power NOW in the summer of 2000 we were on pace to be debt free by 2010 just due to a small tax increase on the wealthy, the wealthy are very wealthy today we could get the country back on track to raise living conditions for all very quickly if we could rid ourselfs of the GOP, which would happen if we remind people of just how hard the GOP work to make the rich richer. We were very close to real change in 2011 but we didn't want to "point fingers" if we are unwilling to face simple truth then we can never succeed.

But then Nader and 5 million other people could find no difference between Bush and Gore, (really?), and Bush squeezed into the White House with the help of SCOTUS and 100,000 Nader voters in FL. Which Party wins matters, get over it, and get involved.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (894) 1 month ago

does not land ownership determines the government of the land ?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 4 weeks ago

In a time when the people belonged to the land perhaps and to some extent what are immigration laws except to say you belong to those that rule that land not this.

I think today control of capital rules all, I am very dependent on the people who provide the capital for my job.

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