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Forum Post: Americans are Arming themselves this year! Something is happening!

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 6, 2011, 9:30 a.m. EST by AllianceForPeace (40)
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Americans spent some $52 billion on Black Friday weekend. In addition to sweaters and iPods, though, shoppers were scooping up something else in large numbers: guns. According to the FBI, which processes requests for background checks of prospective gun buyers, 129,166 such checks were performed on Black Friday, Nov. 25, breaking the previous single-day record -- set on Black Friday 2008 -- by nearly a third. The surge in gun sales was initially reported by USA Today. Analysts who focus on firearms say this increase is part of a years-long trend toward increasing gun ownership. In a recent Gallup poll, 47 percent of respondents said there was a gun in the household, up from 41 percent just one year ago. More people are buying guns these days, particularly handguns, said Cai von Rumohr, managing director at investment company Cowen & Co. For all of November, the number of background checks processed by the FBI rose by around 16 percent vs. year-ago levels. "These numbers have been relatively strong, and I think more of it has been the trend towards lower-priced, smaller weapons," von Rumohr said. For the most part, it's unlikely these weapons are being bought to wrap up and put under a Christmas tree; many states have laws that prohibit buying a gun for someone else.
The number of first-time buyers and women buying guns has been on the rise for a few years, which may have contributed to the high numbers on Black Friday. Data from the National Sporting Goods Association show an increase in the number of female gun consumers, including a nine percentage point jump from last year to this year. Also, every state except for Illinois now lets residents carry concealed weapons. "Retailers tell us 25 percent of customers are first-time buyers," said Larry Keane, vice president and general counsel at the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a firearms industry trade association. Many gun dealers that enroll firearm novices in safety and training courses report that their classes are full or wait-listed, another indication of growth in the number of new gun owners, he said. Caroline Brewer, director of communications at the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, called the Black Friday surge a "one-time event." She said any increase in gun purchases "may be the result of marketing." If marketing is the cause, it appears to be successful. "Whereas five years ago it was politically incorrect (to own guns), ... what seems to be changing is social acceptance," said Bret Jordan, analyst at investment firm Avondale Partners. "I think there might be a changing view of firearms." Jordan said the industry saw a surge in gun purchases around the time of the last presidential election, apparently because hunters and other enthusiasts feared President Barack Obama would push for more gun-control laws or stronger restrictions. "When Obama was elected, I think people rushed out and stocked up on their tactical rifles," Jordan said, referring to military-style weapons that were potential targets of legislative restrictions. More recently, though, the focus has switched to handguns. In spite of the economic downturn, "The category of firearm that has continued to sell very well is something one would have if they were concerned about their personal safety," Jordan said. "The general trend is it's more socially acceptable to own a gun in the United States than it was five to six years ago," he said.



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[-] 4 points by barb (835) 7 years ago

Whose kidding who here? Purchasing guns is on the increase especially as first time buyers is due to the rising social arrest that is becoming global. People are beginning to realize that when the system collapses they will have to defend themselves.

[-] 4 points by MyHeartSpits (448) 7 years ago

People are afraid and people are angry. Even those that don't understand what's going on and why OWS has taken root are fired up.

[-] 3 points by Perspective (-243) 7 years ago

"The general trend is it's more socially acceptable to own a gun in the United States than it was five to six years ago," he said. Socially acceptable? It's our RIGHT to own firearms! Our society is such that crime is on the upswing and for many it's considered an acceptable way of life. This has led to the point where the only person you can count on to to keep you or your family safe is yourself. When seconds count the police are only minutes away.

[-] 4 points by PandoraK (1678) 7 years ago

Socially acceptance has nothing to do with legality. Tobacco is legal, yet it isn't as socially acceptable as it once was, marijuana isn't legal (federal law), yet it is more socially acceptable than it once was.

There is nothing in the Constitution about you or anyone having to wear clothes in public, but it certainly isn't socially acceptable and local governments have reflected that fact with local laws.

I have nothing against gun ownership, I own a couple myself. But I do understand there is a huge difference between social acceptance and law.

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 7 years ago

I hate hypocrite potheads.

Most people who smoke cigarretes don't get cancer until they're old and smoke more than a pack a day.

Also just because pot is more socially acceptable it doesn't change the fact that people who smoke it often act like brain dead retards.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 7 years ago

I was just making a point about social acceptance not having anything to do with legal issues or constitutionality.

I could outline a large segment of information on marijuana, but this is not the place to do so. I am not in favor of escapism in any chemical form. I clarify because watching a movie is a form of escapism.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 7 years ago

I was trying to figure out when it became socially unacceptable to own firearms. Our constitution lays it out as one of the top rights in this country. I grew up around firearms,was taught proper firearm safety,and never had a problem. Honestly if everyone in the country wore a pistol on their hip the country would be a much more polite place and crime would plummet.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 7 years ago

I think things like prohibition, St. Valentine's Day Massacre, etc had an effect on the social in-acceptance of fire arm ownership...we have to admit that sometimes some of us go over the top and the actions of a few can and often do affect everyone...after all just look at congress.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 7 years ago

You may have a point there. I guess a lot of it is how you were brought up too. Being part of a family of hunters firearms were just another tool in life.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 7 years ago

I too grew up hunting, we supplemented our diet with wild game, the variety was nice to have.

But that's just it, firearms were/are a tool to people like you and me, we don't enjoy them for what they are but for what we can do with them to provide for ourselves and families, and the off chance that we may need to use them to protect those families. Generally the only thing I protect with my firearms is my livestock from predators.

People like you and I don't see guns as a accessory, myself for the most part don't have much use for hand guns, the range and accuracy leaves much to be desired for the use I would put to a gun.

I personally, don't see a need to own an assault weapon, since I have no plans to assault anyone or anything either now or in the future.

[-] 2 points by arcticaardvark (54) 7 years ago

Everytime someone makes the arguement "crime is going up and the only way to protect my family is to own a gun" i ROTFL!! As a Candians i have actully never seen a hand gun. I ve used hunting rifles, shotguns, pellet guns etc, but thats it. Gun loving Americans need to look at the problem from outside the box. Gun crime in Canada is low. In 2005 there were 52 gun related deaths in Toronto, and that is by far the highest ever for a canadians city. Compare that to Chicago or Washington. Canadian dont feel the need to own a gun because there isnt the NRA fear mongering and pushing them on people here. "Its our right".. grow up and stop shooting each other.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

The gun lobby is also the same group that pushes Americans to vote against regulation and taxing of the rich. The 1% gets away with A LOT by vilifying the govt. American shoot themselves in the foot every time they vote GOP!

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 7 years ago

Umm,we could care less about Canada. You folks run your country how you see fit and keep your noses out of our business.

[-] 1 points by arcticaardvark (54) 7 years ago

guns are for fucking redneck coward pussies.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 7 years ago

Poor thing,why do you hate people who exercise their rights? You have the right to keep and bear arms also. If you choose not to that's fine but this hatred of those who do is silly. OWS is all about their rights but screw everyone else. Your attitude is laughable.

[-] 1 points by arcticaardvark (54) 7 years ago

Its fucking stupid that's why. so dumb. its our rights blah blah blah. 100,000 people get killed in the states on average each year and all you can say is, well its our rights. The constitution 224 years old! seriously. no wonder the whole world thinks America is a joke. If someone needs to use a gun to protect himself or his family from a criminal then hes a pussy. why would he need to use a gun? because guns are legal and criminals have guns that's why. See the pattern here?? farmers protecting their cattle i can see. I know there are lots of good americans struggling and i support them. But the gun totting ones are morons.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 7 years ago

So you think criminals buy their guns legally? You're far dumber than I originally thought. You don't believe in the Constitution? You believe in it when it suits you. You're nothing more than a victim waiting to happen and you ignore facts that don't suit your view. You go right on defending your family with your fists and I'll protect mine with a .45. Wonder who's going to survive a home invasion better? This conversation is pointless because you're just a rabid anti-gun nut. Peace out.

[-] 1 points by arcticaardvark (54) 7 years ago

I was just stating how different ideology is what is needed. And you looooove Canada. You wish you lived here hahaha. An american telling someone from a another country to keep their noses out of their business hahahahaha funniest thing i've ever heard.

[-] 2 points by BTKcongress (149) 7 years ago

always seems that in times of prosperity gun sales are down, and times of desperation guns sales are up... this one is the "big one," though.

[-] 1 points by KVNLGN (154) 7 years ago

it is only logical. buy guns, stash water and food. buy gold and silver. buy a dirt bike or two... buy gas mask...buy more guns...bullet proof vest..etc..

[-] 1 points by randart (498) 7 years ago

It would be so nice if humans would "FINALLY" evolve enough to get beyond the idea of needing a gun to "protect" one's self. I don't mind firearms as hunting tools and as target practice toys but when there is a sudden surge by people who are ill equipped to actually use them, buying them for self protection, then the formula changes.

It would be a grand advancement if fear and greed didn't have to rule the primitive minds that seem so abundant. It would be so great if ALL of humanity would begin the transition from cave dweller to global citizen with true equality for all as the ultimate goal. Will it happen? Hell no.

What is that old quote? "I have seen the enemy and it is us."

[-] 1 points by AllianceForPeace (40) 7 years ago

The enemy is our government who are armed to their teeth in weapons of mass destruction so as in history The People have no choice but to arm themselves as well. A better world would be if everyone could live in harmony and with equality together but seems like a dream for us!

[-] 2 points by randart (498) 7 years ago

It would just be another "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" environment. People would rise up, a few would become leaders, if there is a successful rebellion those few would begin the sense of divine right to rule again.

It would take a collective mind that is shared by all as to how the species will move forward. Everyone should be educated to the best of their abilities and should learn things like honesty, ethical behavior, empathy, and altruism as the core subjects. These should be learned along with the ABCs and learning how to count. Instead of learning right from wrong we are taught to be workers and employees, not thinkers.

If you want to try to establish a near utopian society then it needs to begin on a global scale in regions where there might be protection enough from those who would bring it down. Some would be crushed but some might begin to flourish and grow. Besides, the government isn't our enemy. It is the people who gravitate toward being rulers, bosses, and dictators who threaten us the most. We need a government to make this happen, just not an oppressive government.

We need a solid voice that is not for sale and my hope is that out of this OWS movement we might find an honest government system that works for everyone.

[-] 1 points by AllianceForPeace (40) 7 years ago

We wish that the majority of the People would see it the way you have just commented on but you know that sense of a world does not exist, we have to strive for that dream! Hopefully someday in the near future this can happen.

[-] 1 points by Misfit138 (172) 7 years ago

Unemployment is up, crime is up and there seems to be no relief in site. Folks are scared and are stocking up on supplies and arms in case those calling for revolution follow through.

[-] 1 points by AllianceForPeace (40) 7 years ago

The Revolution of the People is near now!

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 7 years ago

Sounds to me like women are acting to put some teeth behind protection from abuse orders.

Good for them. I hope it helps and doesn't get them further victimized.

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

I am a bleeding heart liberal and I believe in 2nd amendment. But I fear Corporatocracy more that "govt tyranny", ok?

[-] 1 points by AllianceForPeace (40) 7 years ago

The Government is controlled by the Corporate heads How do you think so many politicians and presidents have acquired so much money for their campaigns. Wake Up America! Capitalism controls us!

[-] 1 points by BlueRose (1437) 7 years ago

Yes, the govt is controlled by corporate heads, not corporate heads controlled by govt.

[-] 1 points by PeoplehaveDNA (305) 7 years ago

Did I mention that there is a national right to carry act being discussed in Congress right now. It will give gun owners with a concealed weapon permit the right to carry a gun in different states.

[-] 1 points by AllianceForPeace (40) 7 years ago

It was already passed so if you have applied for a carry concealed weapon permit in one state, you can be allowed to carry in other states, exceptions are mainly, New York, California, and Illinois. Check out usacarry.com

[-] 1 points by danmi (66) 7 years ago

More people are arming themselves because of fear. We now have a very volatile Country in which no one knows what is going to happen next. We have a Gov that is totally corrupt and out of control. It seems like every time congress votes on something they take it down to the last minute or so, to keep us all in suspense. They also think they we depend on them for our survival and they have forgotten that they work for us and we do not work for them.

[-] 1 points by ProAntiState (43) 7 years ago

Innocents Betrayed The True Story of Gun Control


[-] 1 points by randart (498) 7 years ago

Great idea! Let's all shoot each other.

One question. What is the difference between groups like the Taliban who are all armed up and religious zealots here that are all armed up?

What an insane species we are.

[-] 1 points by AllianceForPeace (40) 7 years ago

Remember American History the Civil War and the American Revolution. History will repeat itself!

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 7 years ago

The Taliban will actually strap the bombs to THEMSELVES for the sake of their god and country. Americans who are armed are smart enough to throw the grenades AT the people attacking them. The longer you live, the more heathens you can kill. Silly.

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 7 years ago

Here's an example of why it's better to be a trained gun owner:

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=7AZCVQDl4fo This is an amateur video taken by some guys who were home when it happened and later shared it on Craigslist.org

[-] 0 points by Snowleopard (42) from Cortland, NY 7 years ago

Bingo!!! I have been saying this for years that when the CUTS go through then millions will be shooting in the streets. I have told people way back in 1996 that America will be just like LIBERIA!!! Here it comes and it is going down. Everyone that could have done something has ignored me so now here it comes. Now the only thing I can say it "Keep your powder dry!!".

[-] 0 points by humanprogress (55) 7 years ago

the 1% and the zombies (those who are part of the 99% but keep listening to the 1%) are afraid of the global revolution. let's educate our co-99'ers about the movement so they need not be afraid of us.



[-] -1 points by acbdefg (51) 7 years ago

I think they are arming themselves against the 'occupiers'.

[-] 3 points by rosewood (543) 7 years ago

More likely against a treasonous Congress which has declared war on the American people with the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012; suspending Posse Comitatus and habeas corpus; allowing the military to seize "suspected" citizens, with indefnite detention (meaning no limit, forever) without due process...as in no charge, no one phone call, or lawyer, no trial, judge or jury.

The fact that you could point the finger at OWS as congress votes for a military police state, validates how many Americans remain divorced from reality.


[-] 1 points by acbdefg (51) 7 years ago

Then vote them out. occupying is stupid and criminal.

[-] 1 points by rosewood (543) 7 years ago

Additionally occupying is a form of protest, if I'm not mistaken, validated by a court ruling in OWS/NY; and the constitution; which is why safety and heath code enforcement is used against the occupiers. Yes having been fully psy'opted you would attack the citizens and support the tyrants.

[-] 1 points by rosewood (543) 7 years ago

Unfortunately, it's not that easy, as they are using psyops, which includes disinformation,hypnosis, miseducation etc, voter suppression techniques, diebold fraud; brain destroying chemical warfare as in fluoridated radio isotoped water, slow kill weapons as in GMO food; toxic vaccines, chem trails, and more. All of which aids in destroying the populace's capacity to reason and respond normally. Look at what they've done to you ! Your response to the congress attacking not only the world, but the citizenry with the military, is to fixate and blame the citizens. This is the irrational mind state that is produced from their psyop=psychological operations against the population.

[-] 1 points by acbdefg (51) 7 years ago

ows is not using psycho-followers? LOL

[-] 1 points by rosewood (543) 7 years ago

No, OWS is one of the sanest collective responses to the engineered coup d'etat that is ocurring as we speak. You need more info...may I suggest inforwars.com. also Alex Jones channel on Youtube, who while far from perfect, can help you with a more intelligent analysis, and info then what mainstream media is providing you.

There are teachers, professors, police, doctors, nurses, students, moms and dads in OWS, as well as some distressed and marginalized individuals...reflecting American society....LOL

[-] 0 points by acbdefg (51) 7 years ago

Then move to another country and start your own legal system. Why don't you think you are getting media coverage? Because ows is a laughing stock. America is too vast to be taken over by a bunch of dissidents. LOL.

[-] 1 points by rosewood (543) 7 years ago

Your commentary and reasoning is befitting of the American Miseducation system; now producing mindless sycophants. Notice that you are unable to discuss the unconstitutionl SB 1867, nor it's ramifications. I could engage a 3rd grader and have a more erudite exchange. We're done.

[-] 1 points by acbdefg (51) 7 years ago

LOL, yea, you are done. Now go follow the leader like a good little sheeple.

[-] 1 points by AllianceForPeace (40) 7 years ago

Only idiots like you would say such a thing but when the day comes when your government seizes your property and you and throws you in a Detention prison with no right for a trial or court hearing you will be eating those words!

[-] 1 points by justhefacts (1275) 7 years ago

There's nothing like watching the news and seeing people rioting in the streets and screaming that their going to bring down someone or something to make me want to go do some more target practice. Seriously.

[-] 1 points by acbdefg (51) 7 years ago

Awesome, reminds me of the rooftop scene from the zombie movies.

[-] 0 points by justhefacts (1275) 7 years ago

"let me be clear"-when I said that seeing them made me want to do target practice, I meant out on the range, with paper targets, so that I don't have to waste earth's precious resources...like lead and copper...in the unlikely event that a hoard of pillaging zombies ever make it's way into my neighborhood. :-)