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Forum Post: American Courage

Posted 2 years ago on April 3, 2012, 8:15 p.m. EST by 1sealyon (434)
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70 Years ago Americans built the Grand Coulee Dam.

Do Americas have the courage to take on a project like this today?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/coulee/

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[-] 3 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

Are you kidding they can't fix the roads or bridges.The only fix is in the wall st mix.The Banks got the money and the politicians gave it to them.The only project is to enslave you.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They already did that, they need something else now......:)

[-] 2 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 2 years ago

They have not fixed anything except the one percents bank accounts!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yeah, that's one of the slave parts. We paid for it.

Like everything else.......:)

We not only paid for their lunch, they get to claim it on their taxes!!

[-] 2 points by Skippy2 (485) 2 years ago

Eco Freaks would never allow anothe dam to be built.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

There were a lot of folks that fought the project at the time.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

If you are advocating another "New Deal", I am all for it! Roosevelt was our greatest President since Lincoln.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

I agree that Roosevelt had his moments, but also a few missteps.

Roosevelt was as rich and aristocratic as they come, why is it that people embrace Roosevelt but revile any politician today because of their wealth?

http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/index.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/sns-201204031430--tms--poltodayctnyq-a20120404apr04,0,469915.column

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Wealth is not the issue. Integrity is the issue.

[-] 0 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

What about the complaints that rich people are out of touch with the common man. Is that important? Was Roosevelt unable to relate because of his wealth?

Does Romney lack integrity?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/04/obamabiden-strategy-on-romney-hes-out-of-touch/1#.T3xYv6tPuFg

[-] 2 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Yes, Romney lacks integrity (hope that answers your question) :)

[-] 0 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Thanks. What a nit wit. Yes, wealthy people are different from one to another. Some have ingerity and some do not . . . duh. We were amazingly lucky to have Roosevelt when we did. That's no reason to believe that we need leaders wu are wealthy, howeve becaus the same rules apply to other . . . duh.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Indeed, and in the case of Romney, the guy earned his living by putting other Americans out of a job and raiding their pension funds. In my book that = no integrity (not very complicated). Anyway, we won't get a New Deal, or any deal (accept a raw deal) out of Washington, because the system is far too broken to work for the American people.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Off topic

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Not sure what this has to do with OWS, but it's more likely Congress would argue about any major construction project for 70 years, rather than get it built.

[-] 2 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

OWS seems to have grown out of the 2008 recession and Wall Street bailout.

The GCD helped pull us out to the Depression. Maybe there is something to be gleaned from the effort.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I know, and the interstate construction helped too.

I would love to a see big, visionary, beautiful, utile government funded project, embarked upon, but as I said..............All Congress would do is argue over it for 70 years, they way they've been acting for the last few decades, and the States are in the same shape.

Another question at this stage of the game, would be how to insure complete transparency?

Besides, what could we do that would aid all 50 States?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

These days small armies of economists try to calculate the effects of stimulus, the benefits of trade, the impact of different types of tariffs or taxes, etc., but if history has taught us anything, it's that trying to make extremely long range and far reaching macroeconomic projections in light of all the variables that need to be accounted for, is at best a dubious exercise. But it's not that our society is no longer willing to risk public funds on efforts like alternative energy or more democratic forms of capitalism (or whatever), it's just that politicians operate within very narrow parameters these days. They place great trust in economic models, but they also have to fit this data within the interests of the corporations they represent. Very dysfunctional (to put it mildly).

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Those armies have proven to be ineffective over the last century or so.

Have I introduced you to MMT yet?

It's an updated way of looking at macro economics.

http://pragcap.com/understand-the-modern-monetary-system/understanding-modern-monetary-system

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Many people did not support the project but it paid off big in providing electric power for WWII equipment manufacturing. Some believe that it was instrumental in winning the war.

A project like that could unite us. It could help end the 70 years of bickering.

What do you believe are the top 2 - 3 big projects that we should tackle as a Nation?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I never really thought about it.

I like DKAs idea of LFTRs, or Ecat reactors, coupled with solar in the deserts..

Ocean to ocean, boarder to boarder WIFI.

National health care.

A serious restart to the space program.

All of the above.

There's also a lot of promising work being done with graphene.

I just think anything, will result in 70 years of partisan arguing while nothing really gets done.

They can't even agree to repair the roads, and repelican'ts just want to profitize them.

[-] 1 points by 1sealyon (434) 2 years ago

Very cool list. Energy conversion has got to be a priority. Cheap oil and gas in still a deterrent.

The WIFI (WIMAX) build out is already happening.

Would you put the rebuilding of lower Manhattan after 9/11 on par with the GCD?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

No I wouldn't, and I don't want to get into the whole 9/11 thing here.

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Ooo Ooo Ooo I Know I Know pick me pick me - My hand is up and it is waving ecstatically.

Big projects - reminiscent of the new deal? Only different as this is a different day and age?

How many construction people are out of work?

How many engineers are out of work?

How many general laborers are out of work?

How many accountants or general managers etc. etc. etc.

Now then - How many fossil fuel powered power plants are being decommissioned due to age and inefficiency?

How many of those power plants are going to be replaced?

How many of those to be replaced could be new tech?

Like Thorium reactors or fuel cell technology.

How much practical-use unusable land is there that could could be used in a manner to power using Wind turbines or solar cells or a combination.

What in this country is truly pathetic weak and out of date?

The power grid.

Think of the jobs that could be created to update the national power grid.

It would take planning akin to the Army core of engineers. But it would be a great place for national investment and American worker living wage employment.

Hah!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

GRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

No way Jose!

Those utilities have made trillions off of us. Let them fund that.

I can't believe I just disagreed with you.

The trolls are going to have a field day with that.........LOL

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Laughing...... coughing...slight wheeze. whew. They won't if they stick to there guns of blind marching society hating greed support.

This is not money given away to corporations, this is positive redirection of necessary public resources/services. This money is repaid to the government out of revenue that is already there because the service is already required by the public. Business is to be given no choice in the matter as it is of national importance. Hell they could even be given better interest rates than the Banksters would give them. This reduces carbon pollution employes many many out of work people reduces significantly our dependence on fossil fuel. It just does so many good things for the economy the people and the environment.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Well..........As long as it's thorium, or something else we're not already doing, but I still say the current Congress will argue over it for the next 70 years.

In which case, we better get started.........................:)

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (23968) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

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