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Forum Post: "Alternative forms of entrepreneurship and local development", Greece lights the way.

Posted 2 years ago on March 25, 2012, 11:29 a.m. EST by jph (2652)
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On reading an interesting article about some ways the people of Greece are dealing with the reality on the ground there, I thought perhaps we should have an OWS exchange currency.

Seems like a way to help people exchange labor and materials, while building trust networks and strengthening community. While taking a bit of resources out of the broken system that seems bent on using all they get to build bombs, and invade foreign countries, or invest it in expanding a police state.

See; http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/16/greece-on-breadline-cashless-currency?cat=world&type=article

Permaculture, Degrowth, Relocalize, SlowMoney, etc. the solutions are already here!



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[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20422) 2 years ago

Great post, as usual, jph! These are all good ideas that are working in Greece. Awesome.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17690) 2 years ago

'jph' : Thanx for this brilliant, thought provoking tho' brief 'forum-post, chock full of very important ideas.

The Greek 99.99% has been well and truly sold down the river by their Parasitic 0.01% 'Elite' / Scum Class although paradoxically Greeks may now be 'liberated by desperation' to think new thoughts and imagine new economic & societal paradigms especially as March 25th is Greek Independence Day !

The Greek 99% were denied their promised referendum and are actually now being ritually sacrificed at The High Altar of 'Bankster Ponzi Finance Kaputalism' and are being forced to suffer extreme austerity, deprivations and hardships, purely to maintain for a little while longer - The Illusion of Pan-European and International Banking Solvency.

The stark, dark reality of 'Innovative Financial Products" ; of Mortgage Backed Securities, Collateralised Debt Obligations, Credit Default Swaps (apparently 'Insurance Contracts on Debt Default' but actually just bets !) and other such "Derivatives" - are fast catching up with 'International High-Finance Crapitalism'.

All this Unconscionable BS is based upon and "derived" from the buying and selling of Compound Interest Bearing Usurious Debt, which up until now was somewhat 'controlled' by the totally artificially induced 'Business Cycle' {the ritualised regular contraction after the expansion of 'the economy' and 'money supply'} - but now the ever 'geometrically progressing' Compound Interest, means that there's really NOT Enough Money In The World To Pay All The F*ckin' Debt !

The Abstraction that is £MoNeY$ has now abstracted itself into the notional cyber 'hyper-reality' of 'Credit' and 'Debit' via The Tyranny of Electronic Double Entry Bookkeeping, such that All of us Everywhere are ensnared in this Mysterious & Medieval, Mythical-Money-Matrix ... and NOW We All Need To 'Swallow The Red Pill' ; "Unplug" and Take A Look Around !!

For example, The Greeks need to reclaim their Democracy from their own Treacherous, Quisling 0.01%, who have sold their country to The International (in this case mainly Franco-German) Scum Bankster Parasites. They should Immediately Default ; Offer an absolute maximum, notional. perhaps overly generous 1:10 ie 10% on their Onerous and 'Odious Debt' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odious_debt ) ; Reinstate The Drachma Or Name a New Currency ; Demand A New Referendum On All These Matters ; NATIONALISE THEIR CENTRAL BANK and Currency Issue", decide themselves 'where to place the decimal point' and reclaim their Country, Democracy, Integrity and Sanity !!!

Thus, with a view to the above, I sincerely recommend this clever, insightful and useful individual and his website = http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/ as well as perhaps a renewed viewing of The Excellent Documentary Film, "INSIDE JOB" : http://documentarystorm.com/inside-job/ .

In The UK, this year - 2012 'AD', is "The Diamond Jubilee" - 60 years of the now 86 year old Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg Gotha - Battenberg (now Windsor) being 'HRH Mrs. Queen' and it's a Olympic and Leap Year too. However, wherever it is that WE are in The World, WE should all urgently start to realise and reclaim concepts of "The Jubilee" { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical) } , which is an Old Testament idea and word for celebrations and festivities arising from the regular, every 49/50 years - remission of Debt and Usury !

Back then The Wise Ancient Israelite Elders knew and understood that 'Intergenerational Permanent Debt Bondage' was a very bad thing and to be prevented. Sons could pay their fathers' or even their grandfathers' debts but that anything else was Unconscionable !!

SOLIDARITY to The Greeks and to The 99.99% 'Wage Slaves in Debt Bondage' - Everywhere ; We All Need New Ideas For A New, Shared And Better Tomorrow !!!

per ardua ad astra ... ~~~ ***

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (17690) 2 years ago

Also please see :

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Thanks for all the linkage and good info. What do you think of undermining the current order by side-stepping their corrupt banking and even their monetary systems?

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17690) 2 years ago

To be honest 'jph', with reference to the 'current corrupt banking and monetary system', I'm all for "undermining" the current (dis)order in any and all possible ways.

For real insights into one of the main roots of this "corruption", please see : http://www.rayservers.com/images/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf .

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

I will give that a look,. although I already see the current order as little more than a corrupt oligarchy. The monetary system is institutionalized skimming from the people by the few,.

we will not right this planet by letting a greedy hate-filled few control it.

not much time now.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (17690) 2 years ago

I ditto your sentiment & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs ! pax et lux ...

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Remarkable story. What I think is worth contemplating is the idea that no single solution may be an ideal fit in all circumstances. For instance, our society has many complex parts that requires a great deal of expertise to operate efficiently. Electrical plants and grids, water and sewage treatment systems and pipelines, hospitals, automated manufacturing operations that utilize robotics, organizations that design and build things like supercomputers, biotechnology, computational biology, genetics, sophisticated instruments used in medicine, physics and astronomy, climatology, geology, telecommunications, and the list goes on and on.

To think there is a one pill solution that can be effectively applied in all circumstances, is most likely wrong. So I guess I would say that while things like barter trade may be effective in some situations; that does not mean it can be effective or for that matter desirable in all situations.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Exactly, layered systems are more resilient anyhow. If one system fails it is wise to have alternatives, and options readily available to work around the failure. 'Never put all your eggs in one basket,' is the old skool way to say this, i suppose.