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Forum Post: Alright you 'low information' conservatives. You asked for it. SMACK!

Posted 3 months ago on July 19, 2014, 3:36 a.m. EST by OccupiedFrog (10) from Chazy, NY
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I am a Strong Supporter of President Obama, the Commander in Chief; your attempts to Support my Favourite Man in Washington with some Shaky & Unfounded propaganda "Talking Points" are corrected here, Otherwise; Your Reasoning and Disdain for Mentally Deficient Reagan Worshippers caused me Great Joy! Perhaps You can fill the Emptiness left by the Absence of the Poster from University of California, Berkeley. He was attacked by Vile Low Grade Retarded Scatological Republican Evangelists of Hatred & Racial Profiling.

The Bush Administration failed to anticipate 9/11 as it was being planned by Al-Qaeda in both Afghanistan and America.

<cite>From Wikipedia</cite>

<blockquote> As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's pre-eminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?[3]

In response to these questions, the PNAC states its aim to "remind America" of "lessons" learned from American history, drawing the following "four consequences" for America in 1997:

    we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
    we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
    we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]
    we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

While "Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today," the "Statement of Principles" concludes, "it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next."[3]</blockquote>

<table>Signatories to Statement of Principles

Elliott Abrams[3]
Gary Bauer[3]
William J. Bennett[3]
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush[3]
Dick Cheney[3]
Eliot A. Cohen[3]
Midge Decter[3]
Paula Dobriansky[3]
Steve Forbes[3]
Aaron Friedberg[3]
Francis Fukuyama[3]
Frank Gaffney[3]
Fred C. Ikle[3]



Donald Kagan[3]
Zalmay Khalilzad[3]
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby[3]
Norman Podhoretz[3]
J. Danforth Quayle[3]
Peter W. Rodman[3]
Stephen P. Rosen[3]
Henry S. Rowen[3]
Donald Rumsfeld[3]
Vin Weber[3]
George Weigel[3]
Paul Wolfowitz[3]

</table>

Because of that failure, we lost over 3000 civilians in one day. The Pentagon was severely damaged. The subsequent effort in Afghanistan did produce results but it was clear by 2006 that some of the progress made was being lost. More losses were taken in 2007 and 2008. The effort had become less effective and more costly in terms of resources and lives. Osama Bin Laden, the mastermind behind 9/11, was able to elude the Bush Administration full term...

<em>Osama bin Laden "the mastermind?"...Was able to elude the Bush Administration...Because he Died, 12 December, 2001; Kidney Failure.</em>

<blockquote>In light of Sy Hersh's claim that the raid on Osama bin Laden in 2011 is "one big lie," here's an overview of evidence in support of an alternative narrative: bin Laden died in December 2001 in Tora Bora from a lung complication as a result of kidney failure starting at least since mid-2000. All sources are from the mainstream media, many of which have since been "scrubbed" from the internet. 2000 to September 2001: Reports Emerge of bin Laden Dying From Kidney Disease

In March 2000 the Chicago Tribune reports that an Afghan witness and "Western intelligence official" say bin Laden is suffering from severe kidney and liver failure. Link: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-03-25/news/0003250085_1_laden-bin-religious-militia

This story was also picked up by CBS News in 2000, who outright lead with the title that "Bin Laden Reported to be Dying" from "kidney disease." Link: http://web.archive.org/web/20010212010328/http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,172666-412,00.shtml

In July 2001, the South Asia Analysis Group reports: "Bin Laden, who suffers from renal deficiency, has been periodically undergoing dialysis in a Peshawar military hospital with the knowledge and approval of the Inter-Services Intelligence, (ISI) if not of Gen.Pervez Musharraf himself." Link: http://web.archive.org/web/20011007021426/http://www.saag.org/papers3/paper266.html September to November 2001: bin Laden is Trapped in Afghanistan, Unable to Receive Kidney Treatments

In September 2001, PBS' Frontline interviews the former general counsel for the CIA, mentioning reports from 1998 that the DEA found out Osama bin Laden was undergoing kidney dialysis with a doctor in Peshwar. They mention further that the DEA wanted to poison bin Laden through his dialysis machine, but the CIA allegedy rejected this due to the ban on assassinations. Link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terrorism/interviews/smith.html

In November 2001, The Guardian is reporting that French intelligence officials say bin Laden was flown to Dubai for kidney treatment in July of 2001, where he also met with several CIA agents and the head of Saudi intelligence. This story is also picked up by several French newspapers. Link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism

In his first interview since 9/11, in November 2001 bin Laden talks to a Pakistani newspaper and claims that his "kidneys are all right" and denies visiting a hospital in Dubai the previous year (note that he may have visited one in Pakistan). In the same interview he also asserts, clearly lying, that he has "nuclear weapons." Link: http://dawn.com/news/5647/osama-claims-he-has-nukes-if-us-uses-n-arms-it-will-get-same-response/2 December 2001: bin Laden is Dead, Buried in Afghanistan

In December of 2001, the New York Times reports on "high-level murmurings that bin Laden is dead." Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/26/international/asia/26LADE.html

That same day,citing a Taliban source, Fox News reports that bin Laden has died due to an "untreated lung complication" from kidney disease. About 30 "close associates" reportedly attended bin Laden's funeral in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan. A source concludes that the U.S. government and other forces are in a "mad search operation" but will never be able to locate the now-dead bin Laden, buried in an unmarked location. Link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead/ </blockquote>

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[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1486) 3 months ago

"but the CIA allegedy rejected this due to the ban on assassinations. "

Thats hysterical. About as believable as the rest of the captain caveman saga.

[-] 0 points by OccupiedFrog (10) from Chazy, NY 3 months ago

The Irony of Liars Lying about the Lies the Tell to Cover the Liars who Publicly Proclaim the Lie, the Whole lie , And Nothing But The Lie, So Help Me GOD! is the subject of Bob Dylans "The Times, There Are A-changing," and "Masters Of War"

Where did the Insane Modest Capitalist disappear to? His Library Card must have been revoked! A Wanted Fugitive was recently arrested by FBI & Homeland Security at a San Francisco Public Library branch, Glen Park, I think.....

The Insane Stalker stated he Posted hundreds of his twisted stuff from Public Librarys...