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Forum Post: All this Talk of Marijuana

Posted 6 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 7:43 p.m. EST by Cicero (407)
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I'm not advocating that anyone use drugs. Nor am I endorsing the legalization of marijuana or other drugs.

However, I do find the laws and regulations regarding illicit drugs, particularly Marijuana to be absurd and unfair.

Where to start...

First of all it is a schedule 1 narcotic. Schedule 1 Narcotics must have 2 characteristics. 1. No accepted medicinal benefits. 2. Risk of addiction is substantial.

Both of these are lies. Marijuana has medicinal benefits and is not physically addictive.

Secondly, did we learn nothing from prohibition. If many people in a society want access to a good even if it is made illegal a black market will rise and give billions to organized crime. We subsidize Mexican cartels.

Third, Before Nixon started the war on drugs a.k.a war on those protesting the Vietnam war. He had a study commissioned. The famous Shaffer commission. Which suggested that marijuana was harmless and should be legalized. Nixon reportedly threw it away without reading it and started the war on drugs anyway.

We spend billions and billions a year on this "war" with no victory or end in sight.

We aren't allowed to grow hemp in this country which has hundreds of uses. Instead we have to buy the products from other nations. Seems like in this economy if you can grow something for a profit it should be legal.

The pharmaceutical companies fight marijuana legalization because of its medical benefits. Mainly because of all the people buying their drugs there are many that would be better suited to just eat a weed brownie without the side effects instead of spending hundreds to make the pharmaceutical companies rich.

The private prison industry is one of the fastest growing industries in the nation. Both the prison guards and owners have their own lobbyists. They are opposed because millions and millions of people are convicted of marijuana related crimes each year. They would see profits fall if it were legalized or even decriminalized.

They say that marijuana is a gateway drug. But I argue that any effect to that extent is a characteristic of the black market. If your drug dealer sells many illegal drugs then he may pressure the customers into trying other drugs. Is milk a gateway to alcohol simply because you drink milk before you drink alcohol? There is no inherent characteristic of marijuana that leads a user to do other drugs.

They say we have to do it for the kids. But a Nationwide survey of high school students is performed every year and it is about drug use, sexual activity and alcohol use. Consistently the students overwhelmingly express the fact that it is easier for them to get marijuana than cigarettes. Again this is due to the black market. The dealer doesn't care how old you are he's breaking the law whether the buyer is 14 or 40. In a gas station however if an attendant sells cigarettes to a minor they face large fines perhaps even being shut down.

I really don't care either way. Personally I think that a person has the right to make their own decisions even if they are poor decisions. We shouldn't spend billions upon billions to keep people from making a bad decision. Also we are funding the cartels in Mexico when the money could stay in this economy.

There are two reasons why marijuana is still illegal. 1. it makes too many people too much money keeping it illegal 2.Many politicians today run on platforms against drugs. For them to come out and change their minds means 1 of three things either they were wrong to begin with, they were just stupid, or they lied. No politician is going to admit any of these things.



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[-] 3 points by TroubledYouth45 (71) 6 years ago

Your post just made my day. For 6 years I suffered from what the doctors say "Sever Depression and Bipolar" and I listened to them! I took the pills and saw the shrink. The pills made me sleepy and I gained a lot of weight. I never ever recall one sign of change in all those years. Then I was offered marijuana. Now I have made a complete turn around! I decided I want to be more active so I started. I lost about 40ish pounds, I wear a smile on my face (everyday!) I ride my bike, I hike, I run, I do whatever I can. Also I have a stronger mind. It almost reveals the truth when you smoke it! Nobody can push me around and I am the life of every party. The Government says no to marijuana because it actually helps people! They don't want to help people they want you to keep spending money on useless and HARMFUL drugs! There are more side effects than CURES! Thank you marijuana for making me get up and save my own life. :)

[-] 1 points by jesus2012 (3) 6 years ago

yup, FDA is corrupt and determined to get ALL Americans on some drug or another, for kids ADHD - last years flu shots, for young adults Prozac or acne meds, birth control, for adults, wow -where to begin - high blood pressure (though diet is better), cholesterol, sexual dysfunction, weight loss, depression, etc etc.

you are being killed slowly and they are making bank -- Occupy the FDA??

it's ok, Jesus is coming to save us, again -- http://wesower.org

[-] 1 points by TroubledYouth45 (71) 6 years ago

Thank you jesus! :D

[-] 1 points by Space (79) 6 years ago

Awesome. Good story

[-] 3 points by FuManchu (619) 6 years ago

If you dont believe marijuana should be illegal dont you automatically endorse it being legal? You are right about people having the freedom to make bad decisions. People smoke and drik. Smoking is probably more dangerous to health.

[-] 1 points by jesus2012 (3) 6 years ago

love living in California - our kids don't go to jail for smoking a joint, our neighborhoods are safe...

But the DEA wants to change that by shutting down dispensaries and making it illegal again, guess the prison companies and drug smugglers the DEA supports are losing money..

oh, well - done with work for the day - lighting up now --- soooo good in Cali.

[-] 0 points by Cicero (407) 6 years ago

I am saying it would be ok for our society to make it illegal but that decision should be based in sound science and principle. As it stands now the laws are rooted in lies, fear, and catering to big business.

In Kentucky they recently decriminalized it. But it wasn't for the right reasons. They didn't say this is an agregous affront to liberty or drug laws are racist, they said hey we don't have the money to keep these people in jail anymore. Shameful.

[-] 1 points by FuManchu (619) 6 years ago

I wonder why they didnt create a black market for cigars.

[-] 2 points by Cicero (407) 6 years ago

haha if all cigars were illegal they would!! And there probably is a small black market in America for Cubans.

[-] 2 points by ssassy (83) 6 years ago

Probably? Definitely!

[-] 2 points by ssassy (83) 6 years ago

Just stop at, "Seems like in this economy if you can grow something for a profit it should be legal." THAT would make our society both a free market in practice rather than theory, and would exemplify capitalism in its purest form.

Competition drives industry. Demand drives supply.

Instead, we have an oligarchy that uses our government to control us, therefore enabling them to control it. We have a rotten, corrupt, biased and inequitable system.

Keep it up OWS! We need a re-set!!

[-] 2 points by yasminec001 (584) 6 years ago

I don't think marijuana has to be smoked, it can be made into a tea or a lollipop or foods. So, in that way, it is not harmful. It all really depends on the individual and how responsible they are, because drinking is horrible for your health and is statistically more dangerous of a substance regarding one's behaviour under the influence.

Besides, seriously, we don't have to have marijuana legal, but at least hemp for god's sakes! Its benefits are like..limitless and it's an overall helpful plant. It's not legal here because cops don't know the visual difference between the sister plants.

[-] 3 points by FuManchu (619) 6 years ago

The point is individuals should decide that. It cant be forced as a law. Why isnt smoking or drinking illegal? Why isnt eating unhealthy stuff illegal? Where does this control stop? People have to be free and accountable. You are free to do whatever you want. However if that causes me harm, you are also accountable. Things would be much simpler.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 6 years ago

Well, yes I completely agree. That's what I've always thought about things in life.

[-] 2 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 6 years ago

What is just as absurd is that hemp is illegal. Hemp could almost singlehandedly get America out of the Greatest Recession.


[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 6 years ago

Hemp is illegal because DuPont wanted it so. Hemp was the only product that was in competition with it's new product at the time, Nylon. The whole criminalization of hemp was basically over contracts for rope to the US Navy.

[-] 2 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 6 years ago

Also - the history of prohibition of marijuana not surprisingly goes back to the unholy alliance between industry and government - Anslinger the alcohol prohibitionist wanted to keep his job after we repealed that nightmare. And the polluting papermill barons wanted hemp out. It is far superior to paper pulp and cotton in application and sustainability. It does have medicinal value; it has anti-tumor properties, and it can be used as a biofuel to lessen our dependence on oil.

The Constitution was written on hemp paper.

In Virginia it was illegal NOT to grow hemp after it was founded because it is such a valuable crop.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 6 years ago

I agree with you to a extent. However, Marijuana is still mind altering and no one needs to do that. It is still harmful... No one needs to harm themselves unnecessarily. Do I believe Marijuana is more healthy then cigarets? yes. I still think we as a human race do not need to escape from this fucked up world we should embrace it with all of our mind. I used to smoke weed and to be honest I feel better with out it.

[-] 1 points by SeanBen (1) 6 years ago

Yeah very truly said that marijuana is more preferable and far better than the smoking and aclcohols that destroys and kills the body slowly and although its also not good but still its not harmful also if taken marijuana ith the weed vaporizers which heats the substance and not burns whose inhaling is not harmful.So it should be legalized.

[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 6 years ago

I think all drugs should be legal. The only purpose of the criminalization of drugs is to maintain the bureaucracies that enforce drug laws. Prohibition of anything that people want causes a black market to be created and that breeds violence when those involved in the black market seek to control the market. Drug use is not a crime period. It may not be the best choice for an individual on many different fronts but I don't see how the government has the right to tell anyone what they can and cannot ingest into their own bodies. Your body is your property and thus yours to do with as you please. Of course that means you are responsible for the consequences of your actions.

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 6 years ago

"Prohibition of anything that people want causes a black market to be created"

I think that's the point. It creates a market for a group.

Just look at all the prisons that are privately owned and stock traders that bet on how many individuals will go to prison..


[-] 1 points by Misguided (373) 6 years ago

Another abomination. How backwards is our government that it refuses to do it's job and run the justice system. They sure want to get involved in every other aspect of our lives though.

[-] 1 points by Space (79) 6 years ago


[-] 1 points by michaelbravo (222) 6 years ago

being a grower in california..(and a breeder)..i dont advocate the heavy use of ganga at occupy wall street in particular...for social and political reasons...or in daily life...aristotle was right when he said moderation in all things

[-] 2 points by mgiddin1 (1057) from Linthicum, MD 6 years ago

I read that in Canada they are allowed to grow hemp. The cops know the difference between hemp and marijuana.