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Forum Post: All Roads, All Roads, Leeeeeead to the Fed.....

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 21, 2011, 10:47 a.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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Follow the money, the #1 thing to do when figuring out anything fucked up.

Follow the money, and it all leads to the same spot. No matter where you start, it ends there.

No matter who you blame, it starts there.

Money is the root of all evil, follow the money, etc....

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[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 7 years ago

Then what? Mull about and politely ask for them to return of your country?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Im not sure then what. I was hoping for some discussion to possible outcomes..

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 7 years ago

Education and information are the weapons of today. Once the people become aware of who is behind the Fed, they may act in a way as yet unseen in history.

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 7 years ago

The Fed does what the market wants

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Really, because most people I know were against hte bailouts.

Or you mean they do what wallst wants? That makes sense, because the fed is the banking cartel which runs wallst.

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 7 years ago

The market is "money power" - the higher the concentration, the more power. The people with all the money wanted the bailouts - pretty simple really. The ruling class calls the shot - the ones with all the capital. I never heard any big CEO complaining about bailouts. Politicians are there to serve them.

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 7 years ago

Global capitalism is a slow motion social trainwreck . The Fed has an impossible and inherently dishonest job - due to the nature of debt collapse

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 7 years ago

Oh please. Sure the fed has all kinds of shenanigens going on. It also represents the ruling class - the corporatocracy - big capital. But, they are in constant damage control mode trying to keep the whole banking system from collapsing. Because once it does - all hell is going to break loose. Blaming "the fed" is fucking retarded and incredibly simplistic. It's not a scholarly critique of modern industrial society.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

The FEd is the banking cartel you moron. Who do you think started it? A couple had last names of Morgan and Shwaab.

Blame the banks but not the fed is like blaming the cashiers and not the managers. Policy is policy.

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 7 years ago

I don't blame banks - though their behavior was atrocious, predacious, illegal and protected by the political class. But that is the political classes job - to serve capital. I blame the process of capital accumulation and reproduction.

Let me guess, for your, every environmental problem - either the "market" will fix or is not real - right?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Oh boy, here we go. Im actually for Tesla, new energy, etc. And Im for destroying the EPA and starting from scratch, so the agency will actually do its job.

Im from Rochester NY, and you cant eat teh fish out of the lake, and certainly not the river because Kodak fucked us. Only delusionals think no regs is a good thing.

But we do have to do something about the current agencies, who only presecute the little guy and let the giants roam free.

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 7 years ago

You are not going to send the" business ethics" police to DC and clean it up. Corruption IS the system. Now, it's just metastasizing over all of society.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 7 years ago

What would be the first thing you would invest in, if you had say 500.000.milion dollars? Yes you´re right, you would invest in money laundry and making that your "money" value became invisible. Secondly, I supose you would start investing your invisible money in things that you believe are good for you (your family and values you believe in and maybe try to maintain power) Some people believe the ultimate objective to every man is power. So where is the evil?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

I was simply saying those sayings havent been popular because there is no truth to them.

And Im not an end the Feder, but we should have some say in the 7-8 trillion they have handed out.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 7 years ago

No problem, I am an end a feder ;), but that seems a dreamy idear these days, because looks like the more powers the "revolutionary" get, the poorer aswell and than people hope for better and do anything to maintain their family alive. By the way, when you reach the FED, you should continue the research. What is the FED, where does the money from the FED come from?

[-] 1 points by demcapitalist (977) 7 years ago

I blame this whole financial crisis on Greenspan's fed.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

All roads lead to 1871.

[-] 1 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 7 years ago

"The love of money is the root of all evil."

and the Fed and the International Banking cartel do love money . . . they love it so much that they have conned the entire western world and control the national currencies of most of the world.

Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.

“The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled. With something so important, a deeper mystery seems only decent.” John Kenneth Galbraith (1908- ), former professor of economics at Harvard, writing in ‘Money: Whence it came, where it went’ (1975).

As Nicolas Trist – secretary to President Andrew Jackson – said about the incredibly powerful privately owned Second Bank of the United States, “Independently of its misdeeds, the mere power, — the bare existence of such a power, — is a thing irreconcilable with the nature and spirit of our institutions.” (Schlesinger, The Age of Jackson, p.102)

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

so lets see . . .

the FED . . .

is this a public - or a private - institution?

[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

SCOTUS has ruled several times it is private. Bernie Sanders report of the first TINY audit of the Fed starts out stating not only is it under a private charter, but, what has been revealed is criminal and the Fed should lose it's charter.

Links to his .gov website and exact page with this report have been plastered all over the net.

[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 7 years ago

Right now, most Americans believe that the Federal Reserve is actually an agency of the federal government. But that is simply not the case. The truth is that the Federal Reserve is about as “federal” as Federal Express is.

The Federal Reserve openly admits as much. For example, in defending itself against a Bloomberg request for information under the Freedom of Information Act, the Federal Reserve stated in court that it was “not an agency” of the U.S. government and therefore not subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

So who owns the Federal Reserve?

As the Federal Reserve’s own website describes, it is the member banks that own it….

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation’s central banking system, are organized much like private corporations–possibly leading to some confusion about “ownership.” For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

The debt-based monetary system established by the Federal Reserve has greatly enriched the big banks and the people that own them. This has been at the expense of the American people. A private central bank should not issue our currency, set interest rates and run our economy. Rather, we need to return control over the currency to the American people where it belongs.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/14-reasons-why-we-should-nationalize-the-federal-reserve

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

For example, in defending itself against a Bloomberg request for information under the Freedom of Information Act, the Federal Reserve stated in court that it was “not an agency” of the U.S. government and therefore not subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

And yet they felt compelled to defend themselves against a request for freedom of information?

Sounds like a federal agency to me - and federal agencies hate making records public.

I would caution that if the court decision was in favor of non disclosure, then we have begun to establish precedent supporting the idea of FED as a private entity -

which, as I understand it, they are not.

Were they a private institution, their head would not serve by appointment by the President subject to approval by Congress

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

Well, you understand wrongly.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

No doubt, I am possessed of such a wealth of information regarding the FED that that is indeed a possibility -

so. Let us begin.

Bernanke - chairman of the Federal Reserve Board - is he appointed by the President and approved by Congress to his position?

or not.

Are we discussing the Federal Reserve?

Or the 12 Federal Reserve Banks?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

It matters not who appoints the Chairman. The charter has been a private one, just as the IRS's charter is and has been, since day one.

SCOTUS has ruled as such many times.

Look in the library of congress and see the shenanigans surrounding it, the interest payments of the 1871 reorganization, how the world bankers FINALLY got control of our Republic's currency and laws, and what ultimately led up to FDR sending our gold reserves overseas, while collateralizing all real and tangible property in the United States, as well as a large percentage of all citizens', current and future, produced wealth.

The federally owned properties had already been lost and you'll see them mostly owned by official sounding corporate entities that are typically controlled by NATO, IMF and the UN, most are referred to as biospheres.

Regardless if you believe this or not, the world bankers own and operate the Fed and clearly do not serve the best interest of this nation, whose very sovereignty, it compromises and destroys.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

umm

so

you are saying the Federal Building in downtown Burlington that houses the Post Office is in fact a . . .

a . . .

  • biosphere . . .?

oh. . . .kay. . . .

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

I don't know about that one in particular, however, you can perform extensive title searches. You can even search for biospheres on google maps, which probably won't work on your dial up.

Typically, that name is reserved for expanses of land that citizens believe are American owned national parks and such.

Why did our nation's capital move from Philadelpia to a newly charted Washington DC, nearly 100 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed with the Constitution subsequently being adopted by all states nearly 20 years later?

Do you know?

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

nope

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

Find out. Hang on, if you learn the truth, it will shift your world off axis a bit.

It's knowledge worth having.

It didn't just happen out of convenience or on a lark. That is a reasonable assumption, wouldn't you agree?

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

it does seem like a big move, yes.

however, I can assure you, I've already had my world turned

so thoroughly

so completely

upside down

that I really don't think this new information is likely to fuck me up much one way or the other.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

I think accurate United States history would make many things clearer and your increased anger would be far less focused on the bi-party diversion. The shocking disparities, waste and pestilence, of which we are now currently witnessing today, have been many years in the making.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

the movie Inside Job made that especially clear with regard to conservative activist judges

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 7 years ago

Yeah, but, they are merely performers part of a much larger agenda fully intent and masterful at working thesis against anti-thesis to arrive at the objective of fascism in the United States.

You surely see, hear, feel, taste and smell it's ever imposing arrival, right?

It's not a coincidence.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

It was a lot clearer under Bush.

that drumbeat of fear emanating from the podium at the White House was a constant boom day after day; and then there was water boarding . . .

In any case, I never got arrested and sent to a FEMA camp then either.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33799) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 years ago

Doesn't it have something to do with having eaten recently??????????

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Doesnt matter. I could care less what the classification is, like arguing whether Obama is a dem or a rep.

i can argue both of them both ways. Pointless.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Of course, now, all will be revealed.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

It has worked in the past - but I see no one is biting today.

Too bad too.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

I think the OP must have just gotten a little lonely.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

I don't think they were thinking . . .

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

prolly not. I don't think it is a requirement for the job. He does smell like he is wearing brand Paul.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Quite the little circle jerk you two have going. Need a room :)

I do smell of brand Paul. I also have some liberal views on some things, and some conservative.

Boxing people into specifics is not going to lead to change. Its going to allow them to keep us under control.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Just keep repeating your little mantra.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

I tend to suspect something a bit more rational and sinister . . .

but then, I am a bit . . . jaded

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

hmmmmmmmm..................could be.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

I could be wrong - but I've been kinda following hchc for a while - a definite rightie in my book.

Is hchc that clever by accident? or by design?

hard to say - it seems the right wing has plenty of either kind of activist among their rank ranks

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Oh, he is all about the buzzwords. It is by design.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Which buzzwords would that be? Screw both parties? STart thinkinig? Stop falling for the divisive media bullshit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6e5qRUCI1I

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

The intentional misinformation advertising took care of that, did it not? The death panal shit and scare tactics. That wasn't Obama. That was a shit load of people who still believe that grandma will be left to die.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Ya, insurance companies funded all of it.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

I expect them to get in there and take care of what the people want or .........we can just work to get rid of the insurance companies all together. It's a comin'.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Nope, it sure isn't reform. It was intended to be but now it isn't. The moment that they refused to come to the table unless the public option was removed it was over.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

They had the supermajority for quite some time. It wasnt just the R that balked at the public optoin, plenty of Dems didnt go for it either (just look at who funds them).

They had a shot, they couldnt pull it off. Direct democracy wouldnt have gotten it through either.

I think it sucks, but when they are all bought, and insurance companies play a key role in funding, whadya expect?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

So, with the rise of the people fearing for grandma's life and, well, those senators that didn't even bother to read it. Those senators that just happened to be Republican. You know, those ones that refused to come to the table unless the public option was gone?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

No one read it. It was 2600 pages long. Staff aides and assistants were about all that read it. Its a mess, its a sell out, and you will see in time that it does nothing to solve any of the problems.

Another gem of it is the prior conditions clause- its states people cant be denied, but does nothing to say that their premiums must be x% within the average policy of those with similar demographics.

Dont even get me started on teh fuckin waivers. McDonalds doesnt have to give insurance, but the guy who runs a small lawn service does? The fact that companies like McDonalds got waivers shows you who this bill was meant to help, and who is going to get screwed.

Im sorry, I wish it was actual reform, but its not. Its a sell out. Time will tell, but Ive seen how this stuff works for long enough to see what

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

You are so full of shit.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

And here comes the cursing and name calling. How predictable. See, you get too emotionally involved in politics, and it clouds your ability to reason.

And everyone here knows Zen just wants more Obama, more Dems, and less Reps. Like that is going to fuckin solve anyting.

We are trying to create something DIFFERENT here.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

No, you aren't trying to get anyone to do anything more than vote for Paul. If you were all about thinking then we would see you deeply involved in issues. But, your not. Not really.

Yes, I do know about MF. How wonderful of you to notice.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Hahahaha. Grow up. You are an adult. I am laughing at your dumb ass.

Everyone knows he brings in information on taxes and environmental issues among several other issues. But, not you. Not at all.

You are trying to garnish supporters for Paul. :D You are a true douche.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Im trying to get people to think. I dont care who people vote for, because quite honestly there isnt a way out of this mess.

You know what MF Global is? Well, they just went bankrupt, 8th largets in history. This is AFTER all the bailouts.

The real question is, when this SHTF moment, who wants to lead, and who wants to clamor to the D and R parties to please save us?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Dont ever get more politcally active than posting in forums, that way you can stay just how you are... Reality has a way of waking people up, and until you get really involved, you never have a shot. Some get involved and get consumed, others get involve and say there must be a better way. Which one do you want to be?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

You are another libertarian for sale troll. You don't speak truth.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Well I think we need SS and Medicare, and wouldnt mind seeing a single payer system in teh country- Obama fucked us on that one, big time.

Im for gay rights, Im pro choice (its not my body, and Im not a woman- no business telling others what to do).

Im anti-war, Im anti fascism, and Im anti regulations that dont let little guys get stuff going.

The boxes that are made for society dont allow for any blending- they are boxes, and are made like that for a reason.

So that people (maybe me and you) cannot come to any kind of understanding and agreement on ANYTHING.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Ah, yes, the ever ready lecture from the hchc jeremy fucknut.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Truth hurts doesnt it. Step your game up or be a follower. The choice is yours.

The world needs innovators, not aggitators.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

I'm saying it sure as hell would have had that misinformation campaign not occurred.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

It seems the misinformation campaigns tend to go hand in hand with certain people sitting the politicians down and giving them a good talking to.

You cant blame Obama for not screwing over the insurance companies. Just look at how much lobbying they do, and how much they donate.

Remove the money = remove most of the problems. I think we can agree on this? :)

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Who put up the money to flood the media with disinformation? Who did that, huh? What happened to the public option, hchc? Who took care of that?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

The insurance companies funded a lot of it, and for good reason. They will make an assload off of his plan. Their stocks soared after signing.

Three party system- money, energy and health (banks, oil, and insurance).

Im not saying there wasnt a massive misinformation campaign, Im saying that the actual plan itself does nothing to address run away costs, and takes from medicare to fund it (although I doubt they will start rationing medicare anytime soon).

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Obama didn't fuck anyone on the health care plan.

And it is shit like this that tells me that you are for sale.

Who put up the money to flood the media with disinformation? Who did that, huh? What happened to the public option, hchc? Who took care of that? I can see that you are trying to fuck me in the ass.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Ah, an ass play joke, you know me well :) jk.

Yes, that hcr is bullshit. And it takes 500b from medicare to pay for it, instead of just ending the wars/bombings. IT doesn nothing to stop the increasing prices. Its a gov/private corp partnership....Corporatism....FAscism....Etc.

Why am I for sale? Because if I dont like something I say it? I work for myself, for a reason. Im not for sale, never have been. I havent had all hte problems in my life because I just go with the flow :)

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

. . . . end the FED . . .

I wonder who started that bit of philosophy?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Here's my background you fool:

Duffy Campaigner in Rochester NY (D) Obama Campaigner in Tampa (D) Currently still registered Democrat, havent changed to NPA Former Marine, out in 2000, who has been railing against these wars since day one.
My latest promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6e5qRUCI1I

Ive given you impression Im a Republican, I never have been. Even when I was in the Marines (which didnt last long because I dont deal with bullshit well.

Just because Im tired of both parties doesnt mean I get stuck in some box. Simple minded people who need to classify everything is a huge problem with our current social order.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

Um, interesting.

Here's a link to a forum post on the FED

which also contains a link to an outside source.

Not sure who Duffy is.

And since I'm on dial-up I don't youtube . . .

It is interesting you got out in 2000 - and didn't reup after September 11? A lot of folks did. Could be a lot of reasons for that I suppose.

Just to be clear - I don't disparage the Marines. Or any other branch of service for that matter.

but repelicans

they are always the first to start cutting Vets benefits for example.

I hate them

as difficult as it may be, I'm being a very good boy . . . .

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

But Obama's bush tax cuts, the free trade, the NDAA, and the bullshit hcr are the latest examples. That and attacking Libya unprovoked, and bombing 7 nations.

Im done with them. All of them. Im not sure how Im going to create third party of non-bought, normal people, but Im going to freakin try my hardest.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

and attacking Libya unprovoked

That's an issue that is popular among left leaning college kids. The fact is that it stands as an issue that is difficult to defend as a member of Occupy - those who do usually haven't examined the issue very closely.

The Libyans asked for our assistance. Cities like Misrata were on the verge of annihilation by Ghadhafi forces. Repelicans insisted we take the lead in assisting the Libyan people - the President left it to NATO to take the lead - although we did provide technical support.

The Brits and the French would have gone ahead anyway - they would have had to because of the wave of refugees fleeing the fighting and the oppression of the Ghadhafi regime.

We helped stop mass murder - on a scale that approaches genocide.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

I dont disparage against them either, but they are being abused at this point. I realize a lot are coming home this month from Iraq, its long overdue. But we are still loading up on contractors, and in Libya too. And the war with Iran is right around the corner, plus all the other bombings. Im just fuckin sick of both parties, they have done nothing but lie to us.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

they have done nothing but lie to us.

that is an oversimplification, a generalization that many point to and so justify impractical solutions.

The repelican party has told the most lies, the biggest lies, and most consistently act against the 99%, which makes them extremely vulnerable to our activism.

They are already on their way out on the basis of their own policies, but it is a natural process that will take time. We can speed that process.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

I don't really give a fuck about your background.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

You two seem pretty fuckin interested. 15 replies back to back says otherwise.... Im a normal guy, who is tired of the bullshit, and currently in a job that allows me a lot of time on this site.

Thats it. Google me, Im not hard to find.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

You had a great time telling off Zen, didn't you? You kept that shit up for a few days?

Quit your fucking crying, douche bag.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

Let's ask hchc. He is always so full of .................something.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

lol!

yes he is . . . .

I'm going to have to look at the article posted below

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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

So do you like the vid?

I forgot- I go out and flyer for OccTampa once a week, Thursday nights too. And try to go and stimulate conversation at the GA's when possible.

Some think Im a hater, some think Im a con, but all those that have been fighting this fight BEFORE ows came around know Im on point.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 7 years ago

Are ya?

Cuz I been screamin at inJustice for a long long time,

and I ain't never heard of ya

[-] 0 points by focus01 (21) from Queens, NY 7 years ago

good post

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 7 years ago

Is there a professional economist who can outline a plan to gradually ease away from the fractional reserve banking system/'End the Fed?' The only ways I can come up with are 1)People barter 2)We all choose to pay cash only.or 3) Pay with cash and barter until it is dissipated.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

People are the root of all evil. Money doesn't always lead to a bad guy, y'know. What about the water bottling companies that kill people with chemicals?? But since that has nothing to do with money, I guess that's not important to OWS. Picking up what I'm putting down there??

[-] 1 points by Anachronism (225) 7 years ago

The process of capital accumulation and reproduction drives a lot of abhorrent behavior. It is systemic

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 7 years ago

Its at the root of every decision, unless your a serial killer.

If you think the bottling companies are not in it for money, you are mistaken. And if what you said is true, and Im not a chemist so I dont have an opinion on it, then someone is paying them off to do it.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 7 years ago

Not always. Money is a great motivator, but so is taking a rivals company. Some companies have been bought just as a "fuck you" to the other guy.

The water companies aren't getting paid off, they are paying off. Through lawyers, long drawn out studies, that just waste time and money, philabustering, and with straight up money.

I never said that the weren't doing it for the money. After all, why would they do something as stupid as bottling water?? You can get it for free just about anywhere. Oh, right there are people out there even stupider enough to buy a basically free product for a huge mark up!