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Forum Post: ALEC: The Best American Government Money Can Buy

Posted 2 years ago on March 1, 2012, 7:48 a.m. EST by bklynsboy (834)
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ALEC-backed provisions have opposed climate change legislation and environmental regulation, stoked the effort to privatize prisons and schools, pushed for rollbacks of workers’ rights, for limited voting rights and tax breaks for the wealthy. The results, critics say, line the pockets of corporations — a charge ALEC and its defenders insist is misrepresenting its operating style.

In the words of its manifesto, “ALEC provides its public- and private-sector members with a unique opportunity to work together to develop policies and programs that effectively promote the Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism and individual liberty.” And the success of its efforts is in little doubt.

By its own record, it has created an arsenal of about 800 “model” bills, templates or blueprints for future laws. They are tabled about 1,000 times a year across the country; about one in five are passed.

Some 2,000 state legislators belong to the organization, the vast majority of them Republican, in spite of its avowed non-partisan membership. And with Republicans now controlling half of all state governments, they pack an added punch.

“When a company needs a state bill passed,” writes the far-from-radical Bloomberg Businessweek, “the American Legislative Exchange Council can get it done.”

The group’s 300-strong corporate members include some of the most high-profile in America: among them AT&T, Wal-Mart, GlaxoSmithKline, UPS, Pfizer, Bayer, Verizon, and Koch Industries — headed by the Kansas-based billionaire brothers nicknamed “the Kochtopus” for their wide-ranging financial and ideological influence.

Legislation requiring ALEC to reveal its finances must be passed so American government has some credibility left.

http://www.truth-out.org/americas-secret-political-power/1325535857 http://www.truth-out.org/indiana-workers-fight-back-against-assault-unions-and-alec-agenda/1325787329

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[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

If you think you know America’s biggest threat,
..Koch ?
….Norquist ?
……Iran ?
………Boehner ?
………...McConnell ?
……………Murdoch ?

you are wrong –
……spend ten minutes with each of these


American Legislative Exchange Council

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
http://www.alecwatch.org/
http://www.thenation.com/article/161973/alec-exposed-koch-connection


.............................................BE AFRAID – VERY AFRAID


And FYI – They are doing everything they can do to create
a new constitutional convention [Article V Convention]
that can propose virtually anything:
All schools – privatized
All medicare/Medicaid/SocialSecurity – privatized
No cap gains tax
No inheritance tax
Tell me – what else do you think an Article V Constitutional Convention could do?

[-] 3 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Concentrated evil.

[-] 2 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

It is a Good thing that you’re opening a discussion on ALEC. ALEC is a small group of very powerful people who pursue their insidious agenda across the country and nobody thinks it’s a Conspiracy? Why is that? And, ALEC is just the tip of the Iceburg of the truly Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that is destroying the American Dream for the 99%!

Ever wonder why all the conservative attack dogs on Radio speak with the same hate & vitriol? It’s because Right Wing pundits are not a part of a Political Party, they belong to a Religious Cult that worships the Almighty Dollar! We’re not dealing with a “Conservative Political Movement”; we’re dealing with a new KKK, The “Koch Kult Konspiracy!

Their leaders are the Koch Brothers, and their Bible is the Book of ALEC. The Koch Boys don’t drink the Kool-Aid, they make the Kool-Aid, and ALEC makes it easy for Teabaggers to drink. The Republican Party isn’t afraid of Limbaugh because he makes sense; they fear him because he’s the “Mouth Piece” for ALEC, and the Koch Co-Conspirators who control the Money.

These Radio hosts aint Ditto Heads; they’re “Koch Heads!” They don’t just drink the Kool-Aid they repackage it as Champagne, and try to sell it to their friends. They don’t debate an issue they confuse an issue with Dogma from the Book of ALEC. Their Catechism is the word of Koch, their Gospel, the Book of ALEC, their Preachers are the Right Wing Radio Hosts, and their true believers are the Trolls who infest this board. Olympia Snowe didn’t leave the Senate, she left the KKK.

Evangelical “Christians” don’t read from the Bible when they preach to the faithful anymore, they read scriptures from the Book of ALEC, as written by the Koch Brotherhood. These people aint converted Christians, they’re card carrying Koch Heads; Seduced by the Big Money that the Christian Koch Brotherhood provides for the true believers who agree to preach from the Book of ALEC.

Have you ever noticed that Conservatives don’t know what they’re against, until Rush tells them what they’re against? The Koch Boys decide what they don’t like, ALEC develops a Bumper Sticker Talking Point for it, Fox makes it News, Limbaugh gives his Ditto Heads their marching orders over the Radio, O’Reilly & Hannity declare it the Gospel, and Rank & File Republicans repeat it word for word like mindless Robots. Ever seen Michelle Bachmann answer a hard question?

The reason Mittens can’t connect with the Tea Baggers is because he believes in “The Book of Mormon”, while the rest of the Republican Party believes in the “Book of ALEC”. It's a clash of Cults!

Like most Cults, anyone who disagrees with them is branded a heretic, attacked viciously, and squashed. The tribunal that testified before Issa on the Blunt Rubio Vaginal Probe Bill looked more like the inquisitors who condemned Joan of Arc, than a panel of modern Religious leaders. And, Rush Limbaugh like the Good American that he is had no trouble throwing the first stone to light the Faggots that burned her at the Stake of public opinion.

So, the next time you try to argue with a Republican remember, you aint dealing with a politician, you’re dealing with a Religious Fanatic with an ALEC inspired agenda. And that right there my friends is the truth!

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

So well stated! Also in the mix is Frank Luntz, a spinmeister and wordsmith the right uses for phrases and talking points. He is a paid opinion former that's good with words and invented the Contract for America Newt used, and many more today. They function on catchy soundbites instead of substance, truth and facts.

[-] 1 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

The Democrats do not worship the Book of ALEC. Liberals are not allowed in that Club.

How's that for a difference in the Parties. Pick a side, any side, but don't try to say that both parties are the same. That is what ALEC wants independent Voters to believe. That's how they win. Aint you tired of feeding into that Lie.

By The Way, Frank Luntz, is a a graduate of the ALEC School of Spinning. He went to the same school as Michelle Bachmann. he just got better grades.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

I overstated, differences exist.

[-] 1 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Thank you.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Damn you, OWS, can't you just keep a little secret?
SHUT UP - & we will give you your paycheck
D & C

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

What's the best way to find out who in my state is a member?

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Inquire directly w/ALEC. Also, if they are Republican assume they are linked.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

thanks, yes I'm convince there are no good R's, but got to keep an eye out for any D's in sheep's clothing too,

“1%ers not intelligent or hard working, but they are devious and clever and bear considerable watching.”

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Politicians follow the money and vice versa.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

you could replace "politicians" with "people" for the most part..

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

OK. But politicians historically do it more often with fewer scruples, with bigger stakes. For example, Dick Nixon sabotaging the 1968 Vietnam peace talks so Humphery wouldn't get elected and Dick did. It extended the war 5 more years resulting in 30,000 additional GI's deaths, 100,00 maimed and millions of Vietnamese dead. And costing us hundreds of billions.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

We just met, let me start by saying, I like your work, here’s a quote from a reply i just sent “rising” about the Nixon thing may be a little out of context:

“I blame a lot of what I see on Ford, when he pardoned Nixon, it was like the law don’t apply and instead of getting better after Watergate, it got worst, he couldn’t do it alone though all those people, like Chris Mathews who said he did the right thing “for the country” he did the worst possible thing for the country. Then it 2000, we did it all over again.”

That’s part of another thing we’re talking about but I think it shows how I feel about some of those years.

However, I do believe we do ourselves and those things we care about a disservice anytime we simplify or fail to understand a thing as well as we can. I think it is necessary to design rules that account for the fact that people will be people; this forms the core of my bio piece. I do think there is some evidence that being a sociopath is useful in climbing the corporate ladder it would follow that it would helpful in politics too, up to a point, I have extensive knowledge in this area and they have trouble connecting at a certain point, sort of like Romney, I’m not saying, I’m just saying. Anyway I’d agree your pretty much right about this, but I hope you see where I’m coming from.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

I think so, Clausewitzian reasoning. The end justifies the means? Disagree. You have successful people who are ethical: Gates, Buffet, Paul, Humphrey, Gore, Snow, Spielberg. Interestingly, the list is short on politicians.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I realize you might have been responding to the "sociopath" statement, I say this as a concern not a suggestion, we are fools if we are not aware that as we give more and more power to corporations, they as "people" are designed to be sociopaths, and within their ranks that personality does well so, is it smart to cede unlimited power to them? I think not. Of course this very real disorder is not desired even by "them" they have programs to detect and remove them before a workplace incident occurs. Still I think we see more than the average number rise through the ranks.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Not at all, you really should check the bio, I am talking about the nature of things, it is better to account for how things are rather than, wish they were another way. We should write rules that prevent abuse in spite of the fact that people will try to abuse the system, as opposed to hoping to find the people who will not abuse the system, having said that I think the GOP is a lost cause and must be flushed out of the system even if it means supporting a less than perfect choice.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Yes, they are a lost cause. Rules exist and have existed but are revoked or selectively enforced. It is important to have an informed population, but mainstream media has failed. They have become an insidious enemy. A difficult problem. Alternate media: truthout, Tomgram, Consortium, OWS, MM, fortunately are gaining.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I like to think of this place as an organic think tank, where people choose what they want to discuss, we can choose to add to each other and build a successful message, of course someone has to carry it forward. I think that it is a cool thing about the truth, once you get to hear it, it’s easy to repeat because you don’t have to lie, and they can’t stop us from talking, in the end that’s how we win. They depend on using their paid for think tanks to control the message, keep people talking about crap that doesn’t matter, just turn on any news channel, we can change that little by little, it won’t be easy and they will not stop fighting back, by trying to split us or keep us from taking action, but that’s up to us.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Yes! And we vastly outnumber them.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Just responded on another posting don't know what order you will see these in,hmm, you were going after Obama on free trade, as you could have Clinton as well, the thing is the R's want even more free trade, so the way I attack those things they both support is I attack the policy leaving the people out, because if in this area nither is doing the right thing I got nobody to support, and in the real world when you speak ill of one you help the other. Just my thoughts for what their worth, have a geart day man, and hang in there we will win.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Also GErMAN MANAGEMENT COLLABOrATES with workers for optimal results.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Yes we are the indispensable nation, the beacon on the hill, the guiding light of nations. Have to vomit now.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Sometimes I think we suffer because we are so big and think of ourselves that way, if we were a smaller country we might feel like we had to be in this thing together, management/labor and so on, it seems we assume no body "out there" can hurt us so we trun on each other.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

I like your reasoning. The German model where there is no outsourcing has turned them into the powerhouse of Europe with miniscule unemployment. We should copy it.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Strong unions, high pay, great benefits and holding up most of Europe, in the 1980's the Germans absorbed East Germany, people compared it to us absorbing Mexico. It set them back a bit, but the workers never let them gut their jobs and now, as you say; powerhouse.

[-] 1 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

All you have to do is look at who voted for the Blunt Rubio Vaginal Probe Bill, and you will know who is a ALEC Deciple. Anyone who says Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party is a true believer. Ye shall know them by their words.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Here’s the list, work against those who votes “nay” on this and for those who voted “yea” this was what killed the effort to get the government into birth control

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00024

[-] 1 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

The ASSHOLES of the world, have put their MONEY on TEAM-OBAMA,

So if it be true that maybe he who spends the MOST money is not a good thing, ... when are you going to admit, ... ergo that OBAMA must be the biggest asshole of all, cuz the bankers and 1% have placed their BIGGEST investment in CASH in Obama, and NOT the RNC.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22348) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Look ya whiner.

You can't have it one way ( Republican superpacs ) And shout hurray, then cry foul because someone else does it too.

Be happy all the way around.

Ban money from politics. ALL Money from All Politics.

Then you can cheer for real!

[-] 1 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

Save the Whales

Ban money from Politics

we are the 99%


All the above are slogans designed for idiots.

The USA since day-one is RULE BY INTEREST, Hamiltonian Democracy, ... $1 one vote.

To suggest that you can remove money from US Democracy shows that your a god damn fucking idiot.

The US is money and ALL politicians were designed to be bought&paid for from day, ... witness golden-boy obama who shit you eat 24-7, he is ONLY president cuz the bankers you claim to hate funded his election.

You would NOT have OREO-OBMAMA if it were not for money.

But you go on about money, OWS would NOT exist if it were not for SOROS&CIA money. Fact.

Money is the blood of politics. This is an established fact from Poly-sci 101, for anyone to suggest otherwise only shows they're a pathetic idiot or a liar, ... but I know DKAtoday to be only a DNC whore, ... a liar.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22348) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

SFB Troll: Hurry up I believe the Koch whores are waiting for their blow jobs. I don't want to deter you or make you late for your most favorite duty. They miss you when you are away.

nweiner

Lloyd Blankfein - Goldman Sachs... contributed almost a million dollars to Barack Obama's presidential campaign — making Goldman Sachs "the company from which Obama raised the most money in 2008"

OWS is Obama.

OWS therefore is on the Goldman Sachs payroll. Private Messages

Information

Joined March 1, 2012

PS - Eat shit and bark at the moon.

[-] 1 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

That's your latest tool, ahh he's new here, ignore him, ... but the fact is you delete people daily who don't follow OWS consensus.

I'm a fucking anarchist. Do you have any evidence that anarchists are on KOCH payroll?

Yet, we know for a fact that this website is paid for by SOROS/CANVAS and run by Kalle Lasn. Fact.


Soros is NOT LEFT, ... he's as every bit an asshole as Dimon, or Corzine, or Blankfein.

The OWS likes to lie, sort of like Wizard of Oz with good witches and bad.

The OWS first tells you they hate the 1%, but then some 1% are good and some are bad.

Then they tell you WE are the 99%, then you find out that only a small minority of people on this forum and in OWS are 99%, that the majority are persona-non-grata.

Like Orwell's Animal Farm, some 99% are MORE equal than others.

So we have the OWS leadership, taking money from 1%-er's, and support a 1%-er president 'Obama', ... and telling the little-people how to vote and where to protest.

How about some fucking reality?

How about some sincerity?

How about excluding the 1%-ers from the club? Ahhh but you love their money ...

The OBAMA would NOT be in power had Goldman Sachs NOT fund his election.

Reality is so inconvenient for the liar's that run this forum.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (22348) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

How about you go back under your bridge?

[-] 1 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

Indian Call Center not giving you curry today? Still not giving your access to google search in fear that you'll cut&paste and not write original text?

Aspiring to be a writer? How much do they pay you to respond to people with such dribble as "go back to your bridge"

Are you suggesting that I'm homeless, and you want the 99% to go hell, cuz in reality we're not wanted by YOU the elite 99% ??

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (22348) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

No actually I thought you might be here all Grumpy because the homeless are starting to crowd you out.

Well don't come crying to me. Send your love letters to the Republicans in Office in DC.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What the hell was that gobbledegook all about?

It was really good at not making sense.

Let me guess. You're an aspiring writer?

[-] -1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

The alternate world of unreality and fact denial of right wing fanatics for all to see. Where do Koch's millions go? Big Oil? Big pharma? Military lobby? Israel lobby? Energy lobby? Repugnicons: big business' best friend. Duh.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Today only,” blazons a sign hoisted by a silver-haired protester, “Buy One Senator Get One Free!”

That's funny.

Great post!

[-] -1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Interesting the Dems are bought too. Both parties are the same.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

You have one Dem that is involved in ALEC. Not that the Democrats don't need to clean house. Oh, but they do. I am an independent. I'm more of a Bernie Sanders Independent. But, no they aren't the same.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

OK, they're Republican Light. Obama: relax clean air rules, tax breaks to millionaires, NAFTAS, escalate and continue Mid East Wars, no cuts to the military, Wall St. breaks, interventions and building more military bases throughout the world, etc. All Repub goals.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Try again.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Do you have a factual rebuttal?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I agree that they are Republican light. Obama included. He is right of center. His education policy has always ticked me off. Our international policies have not changed in 65-70 years. A lot of what you are listing comes down to congress. I agree with those things.

Our domestic policies can change dramatically. Women's reproductive health, clinics, etc. can become available. We have the capacity to move farther away from a theocracy. More funding becomes available for shelters, food programs, etc. and so on.

Now, don't get me wrong. Most times they need a fire lit under their ass because there is a tendency to fix superficially if they do it at all.

We just had a Dem Senator whose wife sat on the board of an insurance company. He was against health care changes and did not want the taxes raised on the uber rich. DINO all the way.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Good points.

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Leave Obama alone. He is doing fine.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Sorry, he's too entangled with Wall st., military industrial complex and the 1%.

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Don't forget that he's a democrat. That's worth something.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Yes. Far worse with a repug.

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

No, I meant something good !

Don't put words in my mouth, bigot!

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Yes, I say Repubs suck.

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Oh, sorry man, I read it the first time "Far worse THAN a republican" my bad, I thought you were trashing Dems

[-] 0 points by DayumShame (148) 2 years ago

Forget about Obama... leave Britney alone!

[-] -1 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Why do all the comments all of a sudden get downvotes?

[-] 1 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Anybody who tries to tell you that both parties are the same, are Kool-Aid drinking "Koch Heads" who want you to feel like there is no hope, and therefore no need to Vote.

There is a difference between a Party Hack who takes money from ALEC, and does their bidding, and a Statesmen who takes money from progressives on Wall Street, and still do the right thing by their Country men. If you can't see who's working for you, and who's working against you, you're blind in one eys, and can't see out the other. And, should not be allowed in an adult conversation.

Pick a Party to support, or Shut up!

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Absolutely right! Obama, who extended tax breaks to millionaires, cut the social safety net, relaxed air pollution regulations, escalated Middle East Wars and interventions in other countries, talking preemptive and preventative war with Iran, encourages drilling for oil, relaxed Wall St. oversight, extends and increases the huge Pentagon budget, is doing the Republican platform. What a contrast the 2 parties have.

[-] 2 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Did you get that right out of the ALEC playbook, or did you come up with this load of garbage all by yourself?

The President has to govern for all the people Pal, and he doesn't govern alone. There is this Party of NO that he has to deal with too. But I guess that doesn't matter to you.

How about you take some time and look at the things he has actually done, like Saving the Auto Industry, Creating 3.5 million jobs, ending the Recession, Killing Bin Laden, getting rid of Khaddafy without losing a man, and Oh By The Way ending the War in Iraq! Were those all Bad things to you?

What in heavens name has the other Party done but say No to everything the President proposed including their own ideas! If you can't see the contrast in those two Parties, you just aint paying attention.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Meanwhile you didn't refute the republican goals he has attained.

[-] 1 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

No I didn't. Cause they weren't his Goals.

You're talking about the things he had to compromise on to get the things the Country needed??? I mean, It's not like The Conservatives (That includes Dems) Voted for everything he wanted and he did what he did. No! The President Did what he had to do, to get things done for the people, and I can't fault him for that.

Like he said, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The Bottom line is that he's working to do the Right thing by regular Folks, almost by himself. If you can't give him points for that, I don't know what to tell you.

Do you seriously believe that anyone in the Republican Pary would stand up in a public Forum and critize another Republican like you're doing??? NO! They stand together.

The Democrrats don't have a Leadership problem, we have a Followship problem. I trust my Guy, to do the Right thing. Can't say that about any Republican. There is a difference. The President's Heart is in the Right place. The Republicans have no heart. they have The Book of ALEC to worship. There is a difference.

Thats what I'm talking about.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Respectfully disagree. Obama violated core Democratic-Progressive principles I mentioned in a futile compromise attempt with opponents that don't know the meaning of the word. MANY of us feel betrayed by his giveaways. He should have the balls to draw a line in the sand and stand up to them He never uses his invaluable Bully Pulpit and media access to sell his points and positions. It took him 3 1/2 years to learn how to stand up to them. Poor showing.

[-] 1 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

I respectfully disagree. If you think about it, Obama didn't give away anything. He appeared to compromise but what did he actually give away. Nothing. When he cut the deal to end the Budget impasse, he protected social programs, and made sure that the Defense budget was slashed if no agreement was reached. Who do you think gets to make those cuts now? That's a pretty good outcome in my book.

I know it's difficult to keep up with his fancy foot work, but if you watched closely, like I did, you would have seen that all that rhetoric about compromise, was just a ruse. What he was really doing was holdiing the Cons up to pubic scrutiny as the Party of No!

It didn't take the President 3 years to understand that Cons can't compromise. It was the American public that had to understand that. Say what you will about the President, but you can't say he's stupid.

The instant, the moment, the second that he saw that he had moved Public opinion in his favor, he Attacked. And he has continued kicking Republicans ass ever since! You shouldn't feel betrayed you should feel Awed by his brillance! Really.

Did you see how neatly he boxed the Republican's into a corner on Payroll Tax Cuts? You think that was luck? How about this debate on contraceptives is that lucky for him too? They didn't see any of that coming, and walked into a trap. It aint luck when you get what you want, it's skill.

With regard to the Bush Tax cuts that he was "Forced" to Sign. They will expire at the end of the year if he does nothing. And, again, he has them in a corner on Taxes. Think about it. Why would you give up a winning Campaign issue for the Mid Term elections, when you can compromise, and hammer them all year on it during your Reelection campaign. Who's in the cat bird seat now.

And I have yet to mention anything that he actully almost magically happend to pass. I can't bring my self to agree that any of that constitutes a poor showing.

You're looking for instant results for a problem that took 30 years to create. The President is looking for long term results. Maybe you should trust his judgement a little bit more and trust your own judgement a little less.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

It is indisputable he provided major concessions to the republicans I previously mentioned, in addition to the Democratic bulwarks of social security, medicare and medicaid. FDA cuts, Food inspection budget cuts, EPA cuts, OSHA cuts and more. These are all on the republican wish list. I suggest you clean your glasses and open your eyes. However, he is still preferable, although not ideal. We are entitled to our opinions.

[-] 2 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

If you can't see any of the good things our President's has done, you simply haven't been looking! He absolutely avoided cuts to Democratic Bulwarks, and the only thing at issue now is how much to cut the Defense Budget. And he neatly boxed them into a corner on that too. Stop watching Fox News! It's destroying your mental health.

If you're going to support the man, Support him! Stop with the Nit Picking, and trust sombody for once in your life!

If he gets reelected with an actual Fillibuster proof majority is there any doubt in your mind that he would pursue a more Liberal Agenda to your liking? How about we send a few of OWS Folks to Congress to make sure he gets it done? How about that for a plan?

How about you focus on what's right with the President, and attack what's wrong with the Conservatives? ever thought about doing that?That's what they do. Jesus, they can't even critize Rush when he attacks American Women!

Want to get your agenda done? Get off the couch and really support somebody! Jeez! we don't have a Leadership problem in America, we have a Followship problem! Get with the program kid, or stop calling yourself a Progressive.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

I call myself a realist. I see what he has done. He has approved ANOTHER aircraft carrier, totally, unneeded, for a half a billion that takes needed resources away from society. He has cut IRS oversight so the country loses hundreds of millions of desperately needed tax funds. He has cut OSHA so workers get more sick and injured. He has cut FDA so we can't test drugs adequately and protect the public. He has cut food inspections. Care to defend all this?

Your boy is part of the military industrial congressional complex with a pretty wrapper. Last minute actions don't erase the record of facts which you deny and ignore. I suggest you get a reality check and produce facts and not name calling, which is the typical FOX reply.

[-] 2 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

He also just shamed the Cons into passing a Jobs Bill in the House, and a Transportation Bill passed in the Senate.

But, of course that's meaningless to you.

I don't recall calling you a name excet Progressive. I guess that's a perjorative term to a Troll.

Got you!

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Boo hoo, a dirty name. Last minute stabs are obvious but some good things are better than none.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the streets are being repaved

I'm not sure that the needed it

[-] -3 points by newbornsheep (3) 2 years ago

you people are jerks

[-] -3 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

Quite sad, ... might even suggest that this Forum is reaching its finale.

Now we have the only commenter's being the high-point insiders, and the newbies or folks that get deleted daily because they're not on the insider 'favorite list', not ever bothering anymore.

Sad indeed, but so fucking what.

OWS get's what it deserves, ... when you think your shit don't stink, and in reality you smell like shit and are seen as shit, ... not many want to belong to the club.

Like this POST one last fucking attempt to DISS republicans, fair enough, PUGS are assholes,

But the issue here is that OWS is a front for DNC OBAMA and he's the standing Prez and the biggest fucking asshole in the USA, so what does the OWS do? Diss pug's... go figure,

If the OWS was smart they would find a new candidate, somebody that folks could trust, Obama had his chance, and he blew it, ... Get over and move on folks, quit pushing the lame ass fucking OreoObama,

[-] 1 points by lgarz (287) from New York, NY 2 years ago

The Issue here is ALEC! Don't try to change the subject Koch Head!

You feel like the Republicans are being Dissed, but it aint a Diss when it's all true. Come to terms with the fact that Folks aint going to move on till the Republicans atone for the damage they have wilfully done to the American Dream.

As an aside, it is truly difficult to have an intelligent debate about any issue, when you have Kult members working as hard as they can to change the subject, confuse the debate with ALEC dogma, and conflate the issue at hand. Their mission is to stifle the Truth about their insidious agenda. And steal the next election.

The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that Senator Clinton warned us about is the biggest threat to our freedom since the Civil War. OWS is the only force that can expose ther agenda to America. Forget the Trolls! Make sure you vote in November!

Lastly, call The President what you will, but get ready to call him the next President of the United States. Deal with that, and we can all move on.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Not one fact to refute repugs and big business buying congress. But the typical kindergarten/Fox "You're a dirty word" bleatings. boo hoo

[-] 1 points by nweiner (-9) 2 years ago

Who got the MOST money from the bankers in 2008? and it wasn' the fucking pug's,

The problem with OWS, is that they're 100% behind the ass that's dumping the shit on them.

OBama got more money from Goldman Sachs than anyone else in history.

[-] 3 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Oil Change International had calculated that the 234 Congressional representatives who voted aye for keystone had received $42 million in campaign contributions from the fossil-fuel industry; the 193 nays, $8 million.

Speaker of the House John Boehner, who insisted that the Keystone approval decision be speeded up, has gotten $1,111,080 from the fossil-fuel industry during his tenure. His Senate counterpart Mitch McConnell, who shepherded the bill through his chamber, has raked in $1,277,208 in the course of his tenure in Washington. http://www.truth-out.org/armed-naivete-time-stop-being-cynical-about-corporate-money-politics-and-start-being-angry/132577596

WIKI: In the 2006 election cycle, oil and gas companies contributed over $19 million to political campaigns. 82% of that money went to Republican candidates, while the remaining 18% went to Democrats. In 2004, oil and gas companies contributed over $25 million to political campaigns, donating 80% of that money to Republicans. In the 2000 elections, over $34 million was contributed, with 78% of that money going to Republicans. Electric utilities also heavily favor Republicans; their contributions have recently ranged between $15-20 million.[3][4]

More lobby $ for repugs:military, mining, generation, big pharma, industry, Israel Lobby

[-] -1 points by XenuLives (1645) from Charlotte, NC 2 years ago

Where does it say anywhere on this site that we endorse Obama for President? The only people saying that are the people who are trolling about it.

The actual regular posters on here are looking for third parties, alternatives, etc. Who is the Green party running for President?