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Forum Post: ALEC and Drilling Companies . . .

Posted 1 year ago on April 25, 2012, 12:28 a.m. EST by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA
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  • ALEC seeks legislative support to HIDE the toxic chemicals being pumped into the ground.

  • http://www.propublica.org/article/alec-and-exxonmobil-push-loopholes-in-fracking-chemical-disclosure-rules

  • Water is getting scarcer.

  • Yet our government is allowing drilling companies to inject massive amounts of water, mixed with unknown chemicals, into the ground.

  • Not only is the injected-water no longer potable. It will sit in the ground for centuries and never become potable.

  • Meanwhile some chemicals are migrating into water tables and aquifers.

  • Anyone who knows about water resources will tell you that an aquifer is more valuable than gold. It is an underground reservoir. That's where well water comes from.

  • Once you have tainted an aquifer it is lost -- forever.

  • Once you overdraft an aquifer and it collapses it is lost -- forever.

  • Now ALEC is strong-arming our legislators to hide and cover up exactly what they are injecting into our ground.

  • This is serious!

  • Where's the outrage?

  • Where is the transparency in our government?

  • Where is the accountability?

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[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5691) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Fracking should be immediately designated a Federal crime.

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago

Excellent!

[-] 1 points by shooz (26713) 1 year ago

Thank you sir. It's signed.

The only reason to export, is to raise our costs.

Plus we get all the fracking shit.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Thank you shooz. Agree.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Excellent job of circulating direct action causes. I love the growing participation in petitioning. It is such a great way to band together in common cause to speak out as a people to our government as well as to private business to say how we feel support for an issue or against an issue. This is how democracy works best - with THE PEOPLE FULLY PARTICIPATING.

Yep I love it.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Agree. Online petitioning is a new way to vote. The politicians corporations and 1% will get the message----we are watching you. Am fighting CISPA and related infringements.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep I love it. The Peoples Lobby and so much more. The Peoples ownership of the democratic process.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I get it. Have done for a while. The only commodity not on the list of "must haves" is H2O. When they are done fracking our groundwater supplies, we'll be forced to buy bottled water to drink.

Libya sits on the largest water aquifer on the African continent. You didn't think it was all about the oil again, did you?

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 1 year ago

Everyone is waiting on the EPA study which I think should be due out by the end of this year on fracking, giving it a go or no go.

[-] 2 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago
  • How can you make a "GO/NO GO" decision if you don't know what kinds of chemicals are being injected into the ground?

  • How can you make a "GO/NO GO" decision if you don't know what the long-term impact will be on diverting scarce potable drinking water, and tainting it, and sequestering it in underground?

  • How can you make a "GO/NO GO" decision if you don't know what the impact is on our ground water aquifers?

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 1 year ago

"How can you make a "GO/NO GO" decision if you don't know what kinds of chemicals are being injected into the ground?"

Water samples are being taken from the wells, injection wells, and aquifers. They get scanned for the Fed list toxics, tested for using the standard EPA potable water test protocol.

"How can you make a "GO/NO GO" decision if you don't know what the long-term impact will be on diverting scarce potable drinking water, and tainting it, and sequestering it in underground?"

Right now the regulations governing fracking are on the state and county level. EPA is testing for impact to drinking water. The USGS is testing for long term geophysical impacts. Personally I'm more concerned with the ability to generate earthquakes.

"How can you make a "GO/NO GO" decision if you don't know what the impact is on our ground water aquifers?"

See number one.

[-] 1 points by MachineShopHippie (216) from Louisville, KY 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm sure the EPA will get right on it...

http://rt.com/usa/news/epa-pesticide-24-d-petition-831/

...and will keep the viability of the environment as their top priority...

...they are the Environmental Protection Agency, after all...

Maybe it's just my feminine intuition acting up, but I'd bet the farm on the EPA deciding that fracking 'poses no danger'. But then, what the hell is a farm going to be good for in 5 years anyway?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi Machine, You made a good point. Agent Orange is another battlefield (remember Love Canal). We must pressure the President, Congress and the frackers (not just EPA), and make more people aware. Best Regards

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi Machine,

Thank you for info. A sociopath born with silver spoon, whose extreme personal needs must be satisfied at the expense of other peoples lives.

Best Regards

[-] 2 points by MachineShopHippie (216) from Louisville, KY 1 year ago

Actually, Aubrey's kind of a funny case. He's really quite a normal guy. He just has a different idea of Chesapeake than other people do. He and Tom Ward founded the company together when Aubrey was 30. He built it from the ground up. He's had some really dickish business practices, like actively recruiting the employees of other companies (rock star geologists, land men and engineers, mostly) and then laying them off with a couple of hundred other people 4 months later. In Oklahoma City a job offer from Chesapeake is kind of widely regarded as Snow White's apple... bright and shiny and looks like the promise of all good things to come, but as soon as you bite into it everything goes to hell.

I genuinely think Aubrey feels like he is entitled to all that money. In his mind, he created Chesapeake from nothing, and while the shareholders have made a decent chunk of change, I don't think he feels obligated to them. He's a megalomaniacal cowboy that thinks he should be able to do whatever he wants with the company he created. He sees no conflict of interest. In his mind, he's the driver and the shareholders are just along for the ride.

Tom Ward, however, is totally a sociopath. Like, a violent, angry sociopath prone to fits of rage that occasionally involve him shrieking in public like an angry raptor. At one point a bunch of farmers made a human shield to keep him from further attacking a female lobbyist for the Oklahoma Family Farm Alliance, who was lobbying the capital to talk about mandatory well site cleanup and more stringent ground water testing. See? Not all lobbyists are bad...

But seriously, Tom Ward knows where the bodies are buried. Truth.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi Machine,

Again, thank you for info.

Should be science fiction, but it is really happening. We have a shrieking Bird Man, that poisons the water, poisons the air, attacks females and causes earthquakes.

Best Regards

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Fracking is a crime against humanity. Fracking is a crime against all living things. Will bring in some petitions from other posts.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

-Everyone should see GASLAND

-Many good petitions and info at sierraclub.org

-Many good petitions and info at foodandwaterwatch.org

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago
[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago
  • All good suggestions.

  • This is a no brainer.

  • Control Fracking.

  • We need to know what is going into our water tables and aquifers.

  • We need to know the short-term and long-term consequences.

  • Government needs to know. Because government is the people.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Signed and added to the letter:

Also: the public ( me ) is wondering why all of the fuss to get these fracking operations going. I mean we do not have a shortage it is being exported the fossil fuel industry is still making tons of money. So why the push?

Any way thanks for supporting tougher air standards. Hope to hear you speaking out to protect aqua-fir's as well.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi DKA, Maybe they are pushing so hard to get as much done as they can, before we the people generate enough energy to push back. We will push back, and they hate us for it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That makes way to much sense (as) I was thinking the same thing - they need to strike before they have to act responsibly. {:-])

They are getting frantic because we are making progress.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Yes, we are making progress. The internet is our tool for building unity, getting the truth out, and letting the politicians and corporations know we are watching them. This is why all the attacks on internet freedom are happening.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Did you see the tweet I sent off to the supreme court? I copied it into my talk to the president post or the unite in common cause post, huh, can't remember which just now.

Communications are so important.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Will look for it.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sent off a couple of letters to the prez too. Those are in the talk to the pres post.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

HR 1084 would put the Frackers under regulation of the Safe Drinking Water Act.

Please contact your representatives in Washington.

[-] 1 points by Toynbee (656) from Savannah, GA 1 year ago

If that is what HR 1084 will do, I SUPPORT it.

And I encourage everyone else to contact their representatives as well.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Excellent.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Petition at Sierra Club site.

http://t.co/ncebvn5

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 1 year ago

Signed, and added the following:

"Ms. Jackson, you are the people's representative in this matter. Protect our environment. Please act in our interest, and keep our aquifers clean and viable, and free of toxins disclosed and undisclosed alike. "

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi epa1nter, Excellent. Best Regards

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Signed - Thanks Nevada1.

This is also what I said on the petition ( people feel free to add your own reasoning when these petitions give you the opportunity ) :

Because of the Halliburton Loophole in the 2005 energy package, hydraulic fracturing is exempt from the Safe Drinking Water Act. Please require natural gas companies to disclose the chemicals used in the hydraulic fracturing process. This is critical to protecting our drinking water and public health.

also: why if we are beginning to export this stuff, are we in such a need to go after more? It is not being stock piled into needed reserves. It is not slatted for the American consumption alone. So why the urgent need. Fossil Fuel is making tons of money and are still receiving subsidies. So where exactly is the burning need?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4024) 1 year ago

Hi DKA,

Agree.

Frackers destroying our water resource, while preparing to sell gas overseas for added profit. This cancels the "energy independence and low cost fuel for US" argument. So sad, as Toynbee pointed out, there is no fixing this disaster.

Best Regards

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Hey Nevada1 - thanks for the reply. No there is no fixing what has happened ( can not go back in time ) all we can really hope to do now is truly end it and start a true process of healing. United.